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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s call for a ‘living wage’ starts in her office

ttwtt78640 said:
Not so. One must look at how she raised the pay of her lowest level employees - she cut the pay of her higher level employees.



Rather than have a range of pay from about $35K to $120K she has decided to have a range of pay from $52K to $80K. All she has done is to cut the pay of some upper level positions to raise the pay of all lower level positions. Of course, the OP linked story did not tell us what those in AOC's office who got (serious) pay cuts had to say about such salary "fairness".
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Most Mom and pops are a business owner or couple with employees. In a lot of the cases, most, the one business owner or couple are only eking out a living themselves. America is chock full of small business owners where you can't rob Peter to pay Paul more money.
 
Fletch said:
Why? If you have no skill, no education, no drive and no work ethic, why should an employer be commanded to offer an arbitrary wage that you come up with. How about you go start a business, round up the worthless and pay them the wage you demand of others and we will see how that works out for you before we impose it upon everyone else.

Again, Why? Maybe if you are an unskilled laborer you should get yourself a skill. In the mean time, you may not have the luxury of working a 40 hour week. You may need to work 60 to get the things you want.

If I, as an employer, actually bother to hire a guy with no education, no skill, no experience, no drive and no work ethic and offer him a way to achieve those things plus provide a wage of any kind at all, I am hardly crapping on him
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Looks like you missed the point.

I am not talking about people with no drive, or education.

I am referring to folks that will never be able to do a job that commands high skills, that would result in a decent wage.

Lower skilled laborers, that do work that needs to be done, should be paid enough to live. Not live large, but more than just survive.

The majority of people who are capable of higher skilled labor, or higher education, generally do pretty well.

And yes, there are those that have the skills, but are lazy or as you say, have no work ethic. For them, they may not be able to move up the ladder, to earn a bigger wage, as usually those folks cannot keep a job for very long. But at whatever job they are able to find....they should be paid a wage that they can "live" on.

Now for this issue to be corrected, the rules would need to be adjusted.

Leaving it up to the "free market", has pretty much got is where we are today.

I know it is truly not a free market, but the scales are currently tipped in the favor of those that are already doing well.
 
Moderate Right said:
Actually, she's not really on a hit list. Quite the opposite. We want to shine the light on her so that all Americans know and understand how nuts she really is. Of course that won't change anything in her own district where people voted for her but it is important for the average American to know she stands for the direction the Democratic party is now headed - off the end of the cliff.
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I guess real news escapes the info bubble you live in...

A Tuesday court filing in a Maryland district court alleges that a U.S. Coast Guard lieutenant had ties to white supremacist contacts, a weapons stockpile, and a hit list of political and media figures ranging from Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough to Nancy Pelosi to the Democratic Socialists of America.

link...​
 
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Eriech said:
She isn't paying her staff a living wage. We are. It is easy to spend other people's money. Will she reduce the number of staffers so that she can pay more to less?

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They have a budget. She's allocating it unlike your heroes. Get over yourself.
 
justabubba said:
sure it's her money. only money for her office's expenses not money she can retain for herself. she is responsible for the way that money is spent
and from accounts, it appears she is willing to spend a portion of her budget to assure her staff will not have to struggle to work for her
that's the sign of a smart boss, and hopefully the sign of a smart congresswoman
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God damn bubba, you can’t see how dumb this woman is by now? She’ll be lucky to last a year without a nervous breakdown.
 
itsforthekids said:
God damn bubba, you can’t see how dumb this woman is by now? She’ll be lucky to last a year without a nervous breakdown.
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she seems to be holding her own

even has the alt:white in a frenzy
 
Moderate Right said:
Most Mom and pops are a business owner or couple with employees. In a lot of the cases, most, the one business owner or couple are only eking out a living themselves. America is chock full of small business owners where you can't rob Peter to pay Paul more money.
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So you advocate for the owners making a living off the backs of the people working for them?

Come on, lets be honest. Reality is that those business owners hired people because they knew they couldn't produce enough on thier own to actually make that living. So they hired people so they could produce more of whatever it is they produce, and in your opinion, the people actually giving them that chance don't deserve the same chance?

Simple fact.....if your business isn't doing well enough to pay the people you have hired to work for you a livable wage, then you might reconsider being in business for yourself.
 
noonereal said:
I can tell you why. They are greedy and needy by nature. Just like their fear response is greater than a more cerebral liberal.


I have found that their are two types of people.

One that struggled to get where they are today and are very resentful of anyone they perceive as having an easier path than they had.

The other is someone who struggled to get where they are today and don't want others to have to struggle like they did.

Obviously the first person ends to be a Trumpet, the second tends to be a Democrat.
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How can the 1st group support Donald Trump? He had the easiest path of all.
 
CaughtInThe said:
How can the 1st group support Donald Trump? He had the easiest path of all.
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I think the real question is, how can anyone support TRump?

His path is of no relevance.
 
Keridan said:
I would be the first person to cheer this on ... if it were money she was responsible for earning or raising and didn't come directly from tax payers.

I run a business with an average of 6 employees. I make some sacrifices to make sure my guys get a fair cut. My socialist wife loves to point at me as an example of what should be required. (I hate that one).

It's our money to share with the employees who helped us get it! It's very different.

I also was just explaining to her yesterday that the guy who makes $13/hr from us because he stands at the bottom of the ladder does not make the same money as the guy who learned to climb the ladder and do the hard and dangerous work. What is it on the resume of these 20-somethings that makes them worth so much? Is their contribution demonstrably more than the person who would do the same job happily for 10k less? She's spending our money. She has to justify that one.
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What matters is does he need the money more? If he does he should be paid more. /satire
 
bullseyelqcs said:
So you advocate for the owners making a living off the backs of the people working for them?

Come on, lets be honest. Reality is that those business owners hired people because they knew they couldn't produce enough on thier own to actually make that living. So they hired people so they could produce more of whatever it is they produce, and in your opinion, the people actually giving them that chance don't deserve the same chance?

Simple fact.....if your business isn't doing well enough to pay the people you have hired to work for you a livable wage, then you might reconsider being in business for yourself.
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What, exactly, is a "livable wage"? Should the cashier or dishwasher make the same money (deserve the same chance?) as the business owner?
 
poweRob said:
I'm not your monkey. Stop asking questions as a debate tactic and provide something. You almost never do.
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Ill do whatever the hell I want. If you dont like it, tough. Go cry to someone who cares.
 
Fletch said:
Ill do whatever the hell I want. If you dont like it, tough. Go cry to someone who cares.
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:lol:

This coming from someone who regularly drops into threads asking others to do his homework for him.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What, exactly, is a "livable wage"? Should the cashier or dishwasher make the same money (deserve the same chance?) as the business owner?
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No, they shouldnt....where did i imply such a thing? Being able to afford a modest domicile, basic services and food isnt exactly asking for a business owner to support an employee living ghetto fabulous either.

This idea that people should have to work 4 jobs ....at a time to afford basic **** is just dumb. Not everyone can have 6 figure jobs due to simple math..... ....there HAS to be someone sweeping floors and cleaning toilets, and we all know nobody is gonna pay them 100K to do it. That doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to live on that one job.
 
justabubba said:
she seems to be holding her own

even has the alt:white in a frenzy
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Don’t confuse our enjoyment of her both being dumb as a rock and having no grasp on reality as being in a frenzy. The democrats are the ones in a frenzy, not knowing how to handle her.
 
poweRob said:
Walking the talk.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s call for a ‘living wage’ starts in her office
New York Democrat will pay staffers no less than $52,000 a year

Claudia Pagon Marchena, like so many Hill staffers, moonlighted at a Washington, D.C., eatery to pay her rent until she took a job with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She celebrated her last day at her coffee shop job that same week.

That’s because Ocasio-Cortez, who has called on fellow lawmakers to pay their staffs a “living wage,” is making an example out of her own office. The New York Democrat has introduced an unusual policy that no one on her staff will make less than $52,000 a year — an almost unheard of amount for many of the 20-somethings whose long hours make House and Senate offices run.​
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I bid anyone to come to DC and try living in DC on $52K/year.

The median household income in DC is ~$75K/year, which, given the cost of living in DC, is enough to live a working-class to middle class lifestyle as a single person with no kids. At $52K/year, one'll have a hard time making ends meet. If one has a child, it ain't enough. Period.

It may be possible if a childless single person is very careful not to go over budget. I suppose there are Congressional staffers who live well outside the city, but I don't know how they manage the logistics of doing so. (Technically, those are "9-5" jobs, but in practice, they're not, which ends up greatly increasing one's transportation and food costs.)
 
Xelor said:
I bid anyone to come to DC and try living in DC on $52K/year.

The median household income in DC is ~$75K/year, which, given the cost of living in DC, is enough to live a working-class to middle class lifestyle as a single person with no kids. At $52K/year, one'll have a hard time making ends meet. If one has a child, it ain't enough. Period.

It may be possible if a childless single person is very careful not to go over budget. I suppose there are Congressional staffers who live well outside the city, but I don't know how they manage the logistics of doing so. (Technically, those are "9-5" jobs, but in practice, they're not, which ends up greatly increasing one's transportation and food costs.)
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Please understand I'm not looking for the good ol' gotcha moment. I'm asking a serious question and enjoy how you deliberate and outline your every response. Are you saying that she does not pay enough? She did sacrifice over 50k from the top end salaries to meet this level. In addition, does that mean she is causing her COS (making something like 82k) to suffer a living barely above livable?
 
itsforthekids said:
Don’t confuse our enjoyment of her both being dumb as a rock and having no grasp on reality as being in a frenzy. The democrats are the ones in a frenzy, not knowing how to handle her.
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yes, "triggered" might be a better description than "in a frenzy" about her
 
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