Alaska has Very Warm Winter - 5 to 15 deg F Above Normal

[Media_Truth]

This winter has been extremely warm in Alaska. Overall, Alaska has seen twice the warming increase of the global average.

A Warm and Stormy Winter Continues in Alaska as Ice Around the State Melts | The Weather Channel

At a Glance

• Temperatures have been 5 to 15 degrees above average in Alaska.

• A stormy pattern has led ice to break up in the Bering Sea.

• The jet stream remains very far north over the state.

"As a result of this warming, coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans," Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, 2007

 

[Media_Truth]

This winter has been extremely warm in Alaska. Overall, Alaska has seen twice the warming increase of the global average.

A Warm and Stormy Winter Continues in Alaska as Ice Around the State Melts | The Weather Channel

At a Glance

• Temperatures have been 5 to 15 degrees above average in Alaska.

• A stormy pattern has led ice to break up in the Bering Sea.

• The jet stream remains very far north over the state.

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"As a result of this warming, coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans," Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, 2007

I added that quote of Sarah Palin from 2007. BTW, since then, she has continuously called Climate Change a hoax. POLITICS!!! I wonder what Alaskans think of her flip-flop, once she got on the National stage?

 

[Lord of Planar]

This winter has been extremely warm in Alaska. Overall, Alaska has seen twice the warming increase of the global average.

A Warm and Stormy Winter Continues in Alaska as Ice Around the State Melts | The Weather Channel

At a Glance

• Temperatures have been 5 to 15 degrees above average in Alaska.

• A stormy pattern has led ice to break up in the Bering Sea.

• The jet stream remains very far north over the state.

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"As a result of this warming, coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans," Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, 2007

The sky is falling...

Yes, yes, yes. Another natural cyclical event. Some years are far warmer than average, some years are far cooler.

Have you yet compared these temperatures with the record high, or are you just reporting propaganda that meets with your confirmation bias?

 

[Lord of Planar]

11 degrees above average is not unusual for Bethel AK. Far from it. The average high for May is 49.4F, but in 1980 reached 80F for the average high. 33.3 F for April, but 63F in 1963. Get closer to a 30F increase, and your posts wouldn't be so laughable.

When will you ever start verifying the BS from media sources before your report them?

Do you really like to show us how little integrity you have?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Just Google Bethel AK, and any of the other locations listed. I don't need you to accuse me of cherry picking a link, when you should have already verified before posting.

 

[Surface Detail]

This winter has been extremely warm in Alaska. Overall, Alaska has seen twice the warming increase of the global average.

A Warm and Stormy Winter Continues in Alaska as Ice Around the State Melts | The Weather Channel

At a Glance

• Temperatures have been 5 to 15 degrees above average in Alaska.

• A stormy pattern has led ice to break up in the Bering Sea.

• The jet stream remains very far north over the state.

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"As a result of this warming, coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans," Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, 2007

This April also set a new record low for the Arctic ice extent:

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

"April reached a new record Arctic low sea ice extent. Sea ice loss was rapid in the beginning of the month because of declines in the Sea of Okhotsk. The rate of ice loss slowed after early April, due in part to gains in extent in the Bering and Barents Seas. However, daily ice extent remained at record low levels throughout the month."

 

[Lord of Planar]

This April also set a new record low for the Arctic ice extent:

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

"April reached a new record Arctic low sea ice extent. Sea ice loss was rapid in the beginning of the month because of declines in the Sea of Okhotsk. The rate of ice loss slowed after early April, due in part to gains in extent in the Bering and Barents Seas. However, daily ice extent remained at record low levels throughout the month."

Probably true. When do you think Asia will try to reduce their dirty coal use and other aerosol outputs which speed the melting of ice by reducing albedo?

 

[PoS]

The sky is falling...

Yes, yes, yes. Another natural cyclical event. Some years are far warmer than average, some years are far cooler.

Have you yet compared these temperatures with the record high, or are you just reporting propaganda that meets with your confirmation bias?

In his view, if Alaska isnt frozen solid 12 months out of the year then its humanity's fault...

 

[Media_Truth]

11 degrees above average is not unusual for Bethel AK. Far from it. The average high for May is 49.4F, but in 1980 reached 80F for the average high. 33.3 F for April, but 63F in 1963. Get closer to a 30F increase, and your posts wouldn't be so laughable.

When will you ever start verifying the BS from media sources before your report them?

Do you really like to show us how little integrity you have?

Your blatant denial has you wearing blinders to reality. Here is a 2016 article:

Where, oh where, has Alaska’s winter gone? | NOAA Climate.gov

For the third year in a row, Alaska’s winter has been anything but normal. A mostly dry and warmer-than-average winter has led to record-low snowfall amounts and record-high overnight low temperatures.

 

[Media_Truth]

Probably true. When do you think Asia will try to reduce their dirty coal use and other aerosol outputs which speed the melting of ice by reducing albedo?

I wouldn't argue that aerosols have some effect. However, aerosols and soot tend to have the opposite effect. Aerosols block sun from hitting the earth and cause cooling, which would increase ice cover. Soot darkens the surface of ice, causing more ice to melt. Both are valid drivers of ice extent.

All that said, the temperature has a lot to do with ice melt also. The following shows how drastic temperatures have changed in the extreme North of the planet.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Your blatant denial has you wearing blinders to reality. Here is a 2016 article:

Where, oh where, has Alaska’s winter gone? | NOAA Climate.gov

For the third year in a row, Alaska’s winter has been anything but normal. A mostly dry and warmer-than-average winter has led to record-low snowfall amounts and record-high overnight low temperatures.

It's still cyclical.

 

[Steve Case]

This winter has been extremely warm in Alaska. Overall, Alaska has seen twice the warming increase of the global average.

A Warm and Stormy Winter Continues in Alaska as Ice Around the State Melts | The Weather Channel

At a Glance

• Temperatures have been 5 to 15 degrees above average in Alaska.

• A stormy pattern has led ice to break up in the Bering Sea.

• The jet stream remains very far north over the state.

[MAP]

"As a result of this warming, coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires, and other changes are affecting, and will continue to affect, the lifestyles and livelihoods of Alaskans," Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, 2007

This isn't anything new, the IPCC tells us:

IPCC AR4; Chapter 10
Global Climate Projections; Executive Summary; Page 750

Temperature Extremes

It is very likely that heat waves will be more intense, more frequent and longer lasting
in a future warmer climate. Cold episodes are projected to decrease significantly in a
future warmer climate. Almost everywhere, daily minimum temperatures are projected
to increase faster than daily maximum temperatures, leading to a decrease in diurnal
temperature range. Decreases in frost days are projected to occur almost everywhere
in the middle and high latitudes, with a comparable increase in growing season length.
​

Warmer winters, warmer nights, warmer Arctic, milder summers, longer growing seasons,
What's not to like about that?

Oh - this stuff:

...coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires ...​

Coastal erosion due to exactly what? Sea level is dropping in Alaska. MAP

Thawing Perma Frost: Do you really expect the frost line to stay the same over time?
Would you rather it advance or retreat? I'd go with retreat.

Retreating Sea Ice: This is a problem?

Record forest fires: This is due to CO2? Or More Rain?

 

[Media_Truth]

This isn't anything new, the IPCC tells us:

IPCC AR4; Chapter 10
Global Climate Projections; Executive Summary; Page 750

Temperature Extremes

It is very likely that heat waves will be more intense, more frequent and longer lasting
in a future warmer climate. Cold episodes are projected to decrease significantly in a
future warmer climate. Almost everywhere, daily minimum temperatures are projected
to increase faster than daily maximum temperatures, leading to a decrease in diurnal
temperature range. Decreases in frost days are projected to occur almost everywhere
in the middle and high latitudes, with a comparable increase in growing season length.
​

Warmer winters, warmer nights, warmer Arctic, milder summers, longer growing seasons,
What's not to like about that?

Oh - this stuff:

...coastal erosion, thawing permafrost, retreating sea ice, record forest fires ...​

Coastal erosion due to exactly what? Sea level is dropping in Alaska. MAP

Thawing Perma Frost: Do you really expect the frost line to stay the same over time?
Would you rather it advance or retreat? I'd go with retreat.

Retreating Sea Ice: This is a problem?

Record forest fires: This is due to CO2? Or More Rain?

That's interesting. I didn't realize the IPCC predicted that about daily minimum and maximum temperatures in AR-4. That's exactly what we're seeing.

 

[Lord of Planar]

That's interesting. I didn't realize the IPCC predicted that about daily minimum and maximum temperatures in AR-4. That's exactly what we're seeing.

It's easy to understand. They are taking indicators from near urban heat island. It's laughable to think otherwise. However, the claims are not due to CO2, but due to the heat island effect.

 

[Media_Truth]

It's easy to understand. They are taking indicators from near urban heat island. It's laughable to think otherwise. However, the claims are not due to CO2, but due to the heat island effect.

The NOAA works up the temperature database. Are they also part of your Conspiracy Theorist group?

 

[Quaestio]

That's interesting. I didn't realize the IPCC predicted that about daily minimum and maximum temperatures in AR-4. That's exactly what we're seeing.

Back in the 1860's Tyndall predicted that 'greenhouse' warming should cause nights to warm faster than days and winters to warm faster than summers.

And that's exactly what has been observed to be happening.

For example:

"Observations show that the surface diurnal temperature range (DTR) has decreased since 1950s over most global land areas due to a smaller warming in maximum temperatures (T max) than in minimum temperatures (T min)."

Zhou, L., Dickinson, R.E., Dai, A. et al. "Detection and attribution of anthropogenic forcing to diurnal temperature range changes from 1950 to 1999: comparing multi-model simulations with observations", Clim Dyn (2010) 35: 1289.

 

[Quaestio]

The NOAA works up the temperature database. Are they also part of your Conspiracy Theorist group?

It doesn't matter how many times he's been shown studies/reports about how scientists have accounted for the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect, or why temperature anomalies are used rather than absolute temperatures etc. He just ignores it. It doesn't fit with with his political conspiracy theories and his extreme "anything but CO2" bias. He deludes himself that he's some sort of self-taught "expert" - yet he makes really stupid mistakes like this. :roll:

Perhaps he believes there are lot's of built up "Urban" areas in the Arctic circle, the Arctic ocean, Northern Russia and Alaska etc....?



Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Global Maps

 

[longview]

Back in the 1860's Tyndall predicted that 'greenhouse' warming should cause nights to warm faster than days and winters to warm faster than summers.

And that's exactly what has been observed to be happening.

For example:

"Observations show that the surface diurnal temperature range (DTR) has decreased since 1950s over most global land areas due to a smaller warming in maximum temperatures (T max) than in minimum temperatures (T min)."

Zhou, L., Dickinson, R.E., Dai, A. et al. "Detection and attribution of anthropogenic forcing to diurnal temperature range changes from 1950 to 1999: comparing multi-model simulations with observations", Clim Dyn (2010) 35: 1289.

Except that Hansen later said that T-max not growing as fast as T-Min was because something was dampening T-Max, but eventually they would be the same.
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf

Thus the unrealized warming for greenhouse gases already in the
atmosphere will appear almost equally in daily maximum and daily minimum temperatures.

An Hansen had a lot of input into the models.
Which is correct? Tyndall's idea with it's almost 160 year track record, or Hansen's idea which has not been observed?
If Hansen's idea is baked into the models, do we really need to wonder why the models run hot?

 

[longview]

It doesn't matter how many times he's been shown studies/reports about how scientists have accounted for the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect, or why temperature anomalies are used rather than absolute temperatures etc. He just ignores it. It doesn't fit with with his political conspiracy theories and his extreme "anything but CO2" bias. He deludes himself that he's some sort of self-taught "expert" - yet he makes really stupid mistakes like this. :roll:

Perhaps he believes there are lot's of built up "Urban" areas in the Arctic circle, the Arctic ocean, Northern Russia and Alaska etc....?

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Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Global Maps

Actually the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect could have a MUCH greater effect on arctic temperatures, because the motioning points are few and located
near those minimal urban areas that do exists. the vast spaces between are then averaged between two heat islands.

 

[Quaestio]

Except that Hansen later said that T-max not growing as fast as T-Min was because something was dampening T-Max, but eventually they would be the same.
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1995/1995_Hansen_ha09800r.pdf

An Hansen had a lot of input into the models.
Which is correct? Tyndall's idea with it's almost 160 year track record, or Hansen's idea which has not been observed?
If Hansen's idea is baked into the models, do we really need to wonder why the models run hot?

How many times have people already schooled you on this?

 

[longview]

How many times have people already schooled you on this?

You deceive yourself that you have proven anything!

 

[Quaestio]

You deceive yourself that you have proven anything!

You delude yourself. You've been schooled so many times on this by quite a few people over the last few years that we've all lost count.

 

[longview]

You delude yourself. You've been schooled so many times on this by quite a few people over the last few years that we've all lost count.

So how do you justify the difference between how Tyndall thought the climate would respond to added CO2 vs
how Hansen thinks it will respond? I can tell you that the empirical data sides with Tyndall, not Hansen.

 

[Media_Truth]

So how do you justify the difference between how Tyndall thought the climate would respond to added CO2 vs
how Hansen thinks it will respond? I can tell you that the empirical data sides with Tyndall, not Hansen.

Empirical data sides with the National Academy of Science, the Royal Academy, NASA, and every other major scientific organization in the world..

 

[longview]

Empirical data sides with the National Academy of Science, the Royal Academy, NASA, and every other major scientific organization in the world..

Perhaps, if they voiced what they thought on the subject of asymmetry of the warming,
I don't know, Have they?
What we do know is that over a century ago Tyndall thought the effect of added CO2 would have.
"To him it was chiefly the diurnal and annual variations of the temperature that were
lessoned by the circumstance."
In 1995 Hansen seem to think that asymmetry would disappear, and he contributed considerable amounts to the climate models.
I wonder if wonderland included Hansen's assumptions that added CO2 would cause T-Min and T-Max to increase equally?