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Age in Heaven

RAMOSS said:
You are making assumptions. You have not shown how you know it, just more unsupported claims.
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My assumption is based on the Bible and not even my interpretation. My interpretation of heaven is a better future in which our influence exists in some way.

But the Bible is rather clear regarding rewards, so to speak, and they include everything we want. As long as I'm filling you in, I got other news. There's corvettes I heaven, but not '80s corvettes; people that like those are sent to hell.
 
ecofarm said:
My assumption is based on the Bible and not even my interpretation. My interpretation of heaven is a better future in which our influence exists in some way.

But the Bible is rather clear regarding rewards, so to speak, and they include everything we want. As long as I'm filling you in, I got other news. There's corvettes I heaven, but not '80s corvettes; people that like those are sent to hell.
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But, can you show the Bible to be true?
 
RAMOSS said:
But, can you show the Bible to be true?
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My interpretation of it gets me sent to hell, so I sure hope not if you mean the common take.

As far as what's clear at least to Christians and according to the Bible, there's no getting short-changed in heaven. Full self realization, bam.
 
MrWonka said:
So if a 1 year old dies and goes to heaven that's all they can ever be? What's the point? Do its parents get stuck changing its diapers for eternity?
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"...but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection." Luke 20:35,36

The Bible speaks of 2 groups in the resurrection...a heavenly group and and an earthly group...

“little flock” called to “sit on thrones” with Christ in heaven to reign for a millennium...Luke 12:32; 22:28-30...those “having part in the first resurrection,” who “will rule as kings,” and “mankind,” who will be blessed by God and who “will be his peoples.”​ Revelation 20:1–21:8

"...he saw “a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues.” These survive the “great tribulation” and are guided by the “Lamb,” Christ Jesus, “to fountains of waters of life.” Revelation 7:4-17
 
I wonder if it matters to any of them that while they're hugging and laughing, the rest of their loved ones are being eternally tortured with fire. In heaven, will they be allowed to express extreme sadness and depression for an eternity so as to properly mourn the loss of their loved ones?


OM
 
Omega Man said:
I wonder if it matters to any of them that while they're hugging and laughing, the rest of their loved ones are being eternally tortured with fire. In heaven, will they be allowed to express extreme sadness and depression for an eternity so as to properly mourn the loss of their loved ones?


OM
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...or is this nothing more than an idealized concept first suggested by a culture renowned for being subjected to extended periods of multi-generational oppression?


OM
 
Omega Man said:
I wonder if it matters to any of them that while they're hugging and laughing, the rest of their loved ones are being eternally tortured with fire. In heaven, will they be allowed to express extreme sadness and depression for an eternity so as to properly mourn the loss of their loved ones?


OM
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"For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin." Romans 6:7

“The wages sin pays is death.” Romans 6:23
 
Elvira said:
"For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin." Romans 6:7

“The wages sin pays is death.” Romans 6:23
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Neither of which answered my question.


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Elvira said:
"For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin." Romans 6:7

“The wages sin pays is death.” Romans 6:23
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You are misreading these quotes taken out of context. Paul meant these metaphorically, symbolically, to those living that he preached to in order to convince them to change their behavior while they are still alive. He wasn't telling them what would literally happen to them when they died. He preached to get followers in life, and to change people's behavior in life, the get living followers of christian behavior.
 
devildavid said:
You are misreading these quotes taken out of context. Paul meant these metaphorically, symbolically, to those living that he preached to in order to convince them to change their behavior while they are still alive. He wasn't telling them what would literally happen to them when they died. He preached to get followers in life, and to change people's behavior in life, the get living followers of christian behavior.
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And you don't know what you're talking about...as usual...
 
devildavid said:
You are misreading these quotes taken out of context. Paul meant these metaphorically, symbolically, to those living that he preached to in order to convince them to change their behavior while they are still alive. He wasn't telling them what would literally happen to them when they died. He preached to get followers in life, and to change people's behavior in life, the get living followers of christian behavior.
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Misread and purposely mistranslated to change the apparent meaning.
 
zyzygy said:
Yes, religious people.
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You need to back up and punt on that one...I've been told by plenty of unbelievers exactly what happens at death, yet they've never experienced death nor do they know anyone who has come back from death to tell the tale...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
...nor do they know anyone who has come back from death to tell the tale...:roll:
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Occam's Razor pretty much relates what that suggests.


OM
 
MrWonka said:
What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying you do mature to a reasonable age in heaven even if you die an infant?
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You know what self realization is, right? It's something you want, right? In heaven, we get everything we want, right?

This isn't complicated.
 
it's just me said:
Born again atheists, too. They think nothing happens, but they have no way to prove it.
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Someone once said that anyone who tells one that there is an afterlife is either a liar or a fool, implying that no one knows. Rational thought would suggest that such a belief system based upon nothing more than faith lacks substance or merit.
 
NWO_Spook said:
Someone once said that anyone who tells one that there is an afterlife is either a liar or a fool, implying that no one knows. Rational thought would suggest that such a belief system based upon nothing more than faith lacks substance or merit.
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No one does know for sure. Not even the people who don't believe it.
 
ecofarm said:
You know what self realization is, right? It's something you want, right? In heaven, we get everything we want, right?

This isn't complicated.
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What is self realization? Why do we want it? Maybe some don't want it because they don't know what it is.
 
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