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AG William Barr says 'spying did occur' on Trump campaign, is reviewing whether it was lawful

You are another one I feel sorry for. Man I hope you survive when it is finally proved all the **** you wanted to believe wasn't true. It's coming. Hope you are surrounded with loved ones.

Getting back to the subject of the thread...
There's a certain group where Karma is going to be a bitch for them.
They were all so sure Trump was going to be sharing a cell with Putin, and now it looks like gov. officials, those who conspired to bring him down are going to be investigated for going against their own country.
 
Yes you did and we probably should all feel sorry for you apparently being at the point where you felt a need to do so.

Atomic Kid you are an instigator that often posts with inflammatory crap to stir the pot. I think is well past bedtime for any kid. Sweet dreams.
 
Oh really? Perhaps this from the Washington Examiner which is not one one of those leftist fake media sources that you profess to abhor.

William Barr loves warrantless surveillance, not civil liberties

"William Barr loves warrantless surveillance, not civil liberties"

That's your newly found hero and guardian of governmental intrusion that Paul Rand and others talking about here. Congrats!
The subject of the thread is not personally about me or my heroes.
If you want to discuss the slanted opinion piece above, discuss it.
 
Getting back to the subject of the thread...
There's a certain group where Karma is going to be a bitch for them.
They were all so sure Trump was going to be sharing a cell with Putin, and now it looks like gov. officials, those who conspired to bring him down are going to be investigated for going against their own country.

Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows? Who knows how long it'll take?

I think it's going to be an interesting period of time between now and election night. Drip, drip, drip.
 
When the NSA scandal broke, people (the left) were up in arms, now when questioning if certain agency’s did it by the book to protect American against the government spying on them they cry foul, WTF Kinda crap is that.
 
When the NSA scandal broke, people (the left) were up in arms, now when questioning if certain agency’s did it by the book to protect American against the government spying on them they cry foul, WTF Kinda crap is that.

Here's what kind of crap is that...Those who stirred the pot of **** for almost 3 years should be getting prepared to lick the spoon.
 
Until we see the Mueller report, we just don't know.

Not at all surprising that needs to be explained to you.

Getting back to the subject of the thread...
There's a certain group where Karma is going to be a bitch for them.
They were all so sure Trump was going to be sharing a cell with Putin, and now it looks like gov. officials, those who conspired to bring him down are going to be investigated for going against their own country.

Yes Karma is a bitch. My grandma often said what goes over the devil's back comes back around to his belly. Lots of truth in that old saying.

Today was a bombshell that has got the left on edge. Heads have been exploding all day. Of course they are going to attack Barr in response. But the man is following the law. This is something so many have been hoping for for years.

What he said has also got news commentators and those who pretend to be journalists in the MSM peeing their pants.

Right now if I was Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Sally Yates, Samantha Power and even members of Obama's WH are really sweating bullets at this time.
 
That I would cite right now. The DOJ does not talk about on going investigations.

Quite true. This isn't Barr's first rodeo, and he's not going to be tripped up like that. Gonna take a whole lot more than that to catch this guy on the wrong foot, as the Congressmen was so easily.
 
Actually, he said "I think spying did occur", if your link is correct.

Also, I think he admitted to having no evidence of that, but just some question. Obviously Barr's having a question proves the existence of a political coup! :roll:
 
That I would cite right now. The DOJ does not talk about on going investigations.

Doesn't change the context of the conversation that I was replying to.

And, as I've already said, let Barr go ahead and investigate. If there is wrong doing then lets see it. If he's just blowing smoke to appease the potus time will tell.
 
Yes Karma is a bitch. My grandma often said what goes over the devil's back comes back around to his belly. Lots of truth in that old saying.

Today was a bombshell that has got the left on edge. Heads have been exploding all day. Of course they are going to attack Barr in response. But the man is following the law. This is something so many have been hoping for for years.

What he said has also got news commentators and those who pretend to be journalists in the MSM peeing their pants.

Right now if I was Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Sally Yates, Samantha Power and even members of Obama's WH are really sweating bullets at this time.

Worry couldn't happen to a finer group of Americans than you mentioned above. :wink2:
 
I do object to the report being fully release without the redactions required by law, regulation and policy.

My previous answer was a distillation of this statement.

Look. Be honest, eh? What is your reason for wanting to flout the law and get that report in full? You know the conclusion already. What do you have to gain?

Remember...be honest.

That's not an answer. You're obfuscating. If the President was fine with it's release then it shouldn't be a problem. Especially if it as he claims "totally exonerates" him. But it's seems that the President has changed his tune. Why? Could it be that he got a look at the report and saw that it is not really all that exculpatory? Barr doesn't answer whether or not the White House had seen the report. Which means of course that they have.

Also there is nothing in law, regulation and policy that says it is up to a political appointee to determine what the outcome was of the findings of Special Counsel. Especially since the intent behind the creating a special counsel is to prevent any such politicos from making the final determination. Barr himself admitted that he doesn't know if Mueller supports his conclusions or not.

Attorney General Barr says he doesn'''t know whether special counsel supports his conclusion on Trump - ABC News

"Attorney General Barr says he doesn't know whether special counsel supports his conclusion on Trump"

Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday refused – for a second day – to say whether the White House has seen special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigative report, though he did open the door wider to the possibility that Congress would see more of it than he has previously acknowledged.

He also told a Senate hearing he didn't know whether Mueller supported his controversial conclusion that President Donald Trump had not obstructed justice........

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., asked Barr if Mueller had asked him to leave the question of whether Trump had engaged in obstruction of justice to Congress.

Barr said Mueller didn’t “say that to me, no,” and when asked if Mueller had said the decision should be left to the attorney general, Barr said, “He didn’t say that either.”

But Barr said that’s “generally the way it works" at the Justice Department.

Under pointed questioning from Democrat Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, who asked if Barr agreed with the special counsel “that there were difficult issues of law and fact” as he considered whether Trump obstructed justice, the attorney general repeatedly refused to answer.

“The thing is, you put this out there. The president went out and tweeted the next day that he was exonerated,” blasted Van Hollen. “That wasn't based on anything in the Mueller report with respect to obstruction of justice. That was based on your assessment, on March 24th. Now you won't elaborate at all as to how you reached that conclusion?”

“It was a conclusion of a number of people, including me, obviously, as the attorney general,” Barr said, adding that he looks forward to explaining his position once the full report has been released.

“Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?” Van Hollen then asked. “I don't know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion,” Barr shot back.
 
AG William Barr says 'spying did occur' on Trump campaign, is reviewing whether it was lawful




IMO, Barr will find that there was a political coup, a take down of Trump as a prospective presidential candidate and then, president. This should never ever happen to another presidential candidate/president again.

I was trying to give Barr the benefit of the doubt. As time goes on it looks more and more that Barr is not the AG that guards the law on behalf of the people. He is the AG that will do what he can to protect the President even if that means 'Fck u nobodys, u folks that mean nothing' .
'BTW Please vote us in next time so we can really fck this country over'
 
Atomic Kid you are an instigator that often posts with inflammatory crap to stir the pot. I think is well past bedtime for any kid. Sweet dreams.

Oh so I got your attention finally. As for instigation you have no room to talk. And i'm not, so very thankfully, one of your kids. So nighty night and don't let the Trump bed bugs bite.
 
The subject of the thread is not personally about me or my heroes.
If you want to discuss the slanted opinion piece above, discuss it.

The focus of that Examiner piece I posted was about Bill Barr and about "spying on US citizens". The two very subjects listed in the title of your thread. So do you want to have an honest discussion about it or not? What is your reaction to Sen. Paul Rand's statement about the fitness of William Barr to serve as AG?
 
Doesn't change the context of the conversation that I was replying to.

And, as I've already said, let Barr go ahead and investigate. If there is wrong doing then lets see it. If he's just blowing smoke to appease the potus time will tell.
Good if there is no problem they don't need to worry. But I think some of them are sweating bullets right now. We will see in time I suppose.
 
Good if there is no problem they don't need to worry. But I think some of them are sweating bullets right now. We will see in time I suppose.

Good? So we can apply that same reasoning in releasing Mueller's report?
 
Until we see the Mueller report, we just don't know.

Not at all surprising that needs to be explained to you.
Tell yourself whatever myths you need. No collusion.
 
Why are conservatives always so fearful of the dark and things that are dark? :) :)
Did you say that with Dart Vader's voice? On another note tonight was Lurch's last game in the NBA. He retired at age 41.
 
Did you say that with Dart Vader's voice? On another note tonight was Lurch's last game in the NBA. He retired at age 41.

41?! Man, athletes sure have a longer shelf-life than they used to. I don't think Brady has retired yet, has he? He's over 40 now, still winning championships, married to a supermodel and living in a mansion.

Where did I go wrong?
 
That's not an answer. You're obfuscating. If the President was fine with it's release then it shouldn't be a problem. Especially if it as he claims "totally exonerates" him. But it's seems that the President has changed his tune. Why? Could it be that he got a look at the report and saw that it is not really all that exculpatory? Barr doesn't answer whether or not the White House had seen the report. Which means of course that they have.

Also there is nothing in law, regulation and policy that says it is up to a political appointee to determine what the outcome was of the findings of Special Counsel. Especially since the intent behind the creating a special counsel is to prevent any such politicos from making the final determination. Barr himself admitted that he doesn't know if Mueller supports his conclusions or not.

Attorney General Barr says he doesn'''t know whether special counsel supports his conclusion on Trump - ABC News

"Attorney General Barr says he doesn't know whether special counsel supports his conclusion on Trump"

Seriously, don't let your imagination run wild. And don't make up your own rules.

1. It doesn't matter if Trump has seen the report or not. He has no decision-making power in this issue.

2. Barr, as AG, is responsible for the report now that Mueller has delivered it. That is the law.

3. Since Mueller is working with Barr and others to decide what is to be redacted, any nonsense you want to come up with that this is all on Barr is just that...nonsense.

The fact remains...the report will be released and it will have redactions.

Get over it.
 
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