Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char
First off, I'm not as "out there" as some of you think.
Stop it. You're ruining the fantasy
Now, it doesn't matter what people "generally" find degrading.
But it does for the argument Kori's making.
I understand your point. That whether the majority view it as degrading or not doesn't matter, because an individual might not find it degrading because they're agreeing to be a part of it.
However I believe Kori's point is whether or not an individual may find it "degrading", the genre as a whole based on the majority cultural view point is that of "degradation", and such images promoting degradation of women is a negative thing and is just that...degrading...regardless if a minority don't find it degrading.
Women watch it too, being that rape fantasies ARE the number one female fantasy.
LOL. I actually found that out from a girl I went to college with. (Strange girl, for a while kept saying how she wanted her first time to be with a guy who'd donkey punch her so she could have it done with without having to think about it).
However, I'd dare say that even if a majority of girls that watch porn like rape porn (and that's even questionable because in things with such a wide variety of genres, something could be "number one" without having a majority appeal, but lets use it for the purpose of this) that it would still be a minority of the female population as a whole. Granted, just a guess here and not scientific in any way shape or form.
I guess I'm taking this from more of a male view point, where the appeal to this kind of thing is the notion of power (akin to why its theorized rape usually happens) without the legal stigma's of actual rape. The degradation of the female IS the turn on for the majority that like this style I'd imagine.
Whether or not they enjoy it is not for you to determine. It's for THEM to determine.
Correct. I'm not determining it. Well, let me take that back. I'm assuming that the majority of them did it for the reasons I theorized about because the majority of the ones that I knew in the grades near me that did the same thing when we were underclassmen generally expressed regrets for it or reasons for it outside of "for sexual pleasure".
The middle ground is "to each their own".
I think the middle ground can easily be that its sociatally seen as unacceptable without being seen as ILLEGAL.
In some cases, it's very very good.
Indeed.
Interesting idea, but I see one big problem - many people can't actually act out their sexual fantasies, because they don't have a willing partner or feel ashamed of them.
This is true, which is likely the group of people that gravitate most to pornography depicting it (and why I do think pornography in general shouldn't be banned save for a few specific genres that is more because of the legal ramifications even creating it). That said, it is generally far easier...on average...to find a partner that will attempt such things then it is to say...kill someone and get away with it.
But let me point out that my main concern with sex vs. violence is the ridiculous idea that porn is harmful to society, yet violence in media is embraced as if it's not.
And I'll state again, I think a large part of that is because society doesn't feel it needs to impress that violence in media is as harmful to society because there is other deterents (the law) that keep it from happening. Those deterents, by and large, aren't present with sex so the sociatal deterent must be stronger.
And with that said...
You're making it as if violence, all violence, isn't shunned in any way shape or form by society. We still have a rating system for TV, video games, and Movies where violence factors into it. Extremely violent games, like Manhunt, or movies, like Saw are generally pushed as something that Children should not be anywhere near. While its not nearly as harped upon as sex (as I said, it may be that society doesn't feel the need to harp on it as much is as great since there are other deterents) its hardly just wholesale completely and utterly accepted fully.