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Admiral McRaven chasties the Trump crowd

Condor060 said:
So it appears you are going to run with the same ole beaten down worn out stories from 2016 huh. We all saw how that turned out.

Good luck
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I don't believe TRUTH wears out, gets old or goes out of fashion. I'm sure Admiral McRaven believes the same.

Thanks!
 
Captain Adverse said:
The "Admiral" is, of course, entitled to his opinion.

However, just because he is an Admiral who "oversaw the raid that killed Bin Laden" doesn't make his opinion dispositive.

Neither did the fact Vindman was a Lt. Colonel in the army make HIS opinion of what went on dispositive.

These appeals to authority on issues where they neither have actual authority (which the President does), nor more than at best an advisory role (as Vindman had)...combined with $1.00, might get you a cup of coffee.

That's about all they are worth to anyone other than partisans seeking reinforcement of their existing confirmation bias. :coffeepap:
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Vindman wasn't called to testify for his "opinion" and he wasn't cashiered for his "opinion." The price he paid was for reporting what he saw and heard instead of keeping his mouth shut like a good little loyalist, not realizing perhaps that loyalty in the Trump administration is to the person of Donald Trump, not the nation.
 
JackA said:
Vindman wasn't called to testify for his "opinion" and he wasn't cashiered for his "opinion." The price he paid was for reporting what he saw and heard instead of keeping his mouth shut like a good little loyalist, not realizing perhaps that loyalty in the Trump administration is to the person of Donald Trump, not the nation.
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LTC Vindman and the others fired by Trump in recent months may only be the beginning. It is obvious that Trump prefers loyalists to those with knowledge and experience

Trump's "Deep State" hit list

The Trump White House and its allies, over the past 18 months, assembled detailed lists of disloyal government officials to oust — and trusted pro-Trump people to replace them — according to more than a dozen sources familiar with the effort who spoke to Axios.

Driving the news: By the time President Trump instructed his 29-year-old former body man and new head of presidential personnel to rid his government of anti-Trump officials, he'd gathered reams of material to support his suspicions.

While Trump's distrust has only intensified since his impeachment and acquittal, he has long been on the hunt for "bad people" inside the White House and U.S. government, and fresh "pro-Trump" options. Outside advisers have been happy to oblige.
(. . .)
The bottom line: As the New York Times' Peter Baker wrote on Saturday, "in some of the most critical corners of the Trump administration, officials show up for work now never entirely sure who will be there by the end of the evening — themselves included."
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Condor060 said:
How many videos would you like to see of people who have stopped sharing information with the House Intelligence Committee because Chair Adam Schiff will leak it to the media.

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I’ll ask again is there any proof.
 
Condor060 said:
Get back to me when you figure out what a strawman is
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Let me share a textbook example...
Condor060 said:
US&THEM said:
Schiff is the chairman of the Intel committee he has every right under the law to be brief about intel. You can’t seem to comprehend the law or real life very well.
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So because Schiff is the chairman he can do as he pleases, just leak national security information because he is the chairman huh. Glad we cleared that up.
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When having a right to be briefed about intel becomes the ability to do as he pleases including leaking intel, that's a strawman.

Write it down.
 
narrowroad said:
Whatever happened to Civility?

I tend not to listen to those who do not appreciate it
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leftist through civility out the window a few years ago.
 
less right said:
Let me share a textbook example...
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When having a right to be briefed about intel becomes the ability to do as he pleases including leaking intel, that's a strawman.

Write it down.
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My first post was Schiff is leaking information.

His response was he has the right to intel briefings

My response was So he can do as he pleases, just leak national security information because he is the chairman .

That isn't a strawman, its a rebuttal. Maybe if you're going to interject yourself into a conversation you might want to read the entire conversation first?
 
US&THEM said:
I’ll ask again is there any proof.
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There is plenty to individuals who don't think Schiff is the second coming. Its only been in the news for 3 years now. Schiff lied about seeing the whistleblower. Schiff lied for two years about having evidence of Russian collusion. His so called "closed door" hearings have been leaked to the press. He was continually exposed for mischaracterized testimony during the Senate trial.

In this latest national security meeting attended by Schiff, it was leaked that Russians were helping Trump when that was never said by anyone in that meeting.

If he wasn't he would have gladly offered the testimony of the whistleblower as he promised to do until the information that the WB was working with his staff.

But you go ahead and believe him at all cost. It doesn't change anyone's world how you believe.
 
Condor060 said:
My first post was Schiff is leaking information.

His response was he has the right to intel briefings

My response was So he can do as he pleases, just leak national security information because he is the chairman .

That isn't a strawman, its a rebuttal. Maybe if you're going to interject yourself into a conversation you might want to read the entire conversation first?
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When you twist someone else's words into your own, that's a strawman.

A rebuttal would have been about Schiff's right to receive intel briefings or not.

You gave the strawman version of why he should not.
 
Irwin Corey said:
I don't believe TRUTH wears out, gets old or goes out of fashion. I'm sure Admiral McRaven believes the same.

Thanks!
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We are all depending on people like you to run with your truth. Keep up the great work.
 
Condor060 said:
There is plenty to individuals who don't think Schiff is the second coming. Its only been in the news for 3 years now. Schiff lied about seeing the whistleblower. Schiff lied for two years about having evidence of Russian collusion. His so called "closed door" hearings have been leaked to the press. He was continually exposed for mischaracterized testimony during the Senate trial.

In this latest national security meeting attended by Schiff, it was leaked that Russians were helping Trump when that was never said by anyone in that meeting.

If he wasn't he would have gladly offered the testimony of the whistleblower as he promised to do until the information that the WB was working with his staff.

But you go ahead and believe him at all cost. It doesn't change anyone's world how you believe.
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Trey Gowdy as a source? Come on. Yea and stop with the bs rightwing talking points.
 
Condor060 said:
We are all depending on people like you to run with your truth. Keep up the great work.
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McRaven had top secret clearance, the majority of persons Trump has surrounded himself with can’t get the same clearances.
 
apdst said:
He needs to re-read the 1st Amendment.
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Based on your expert opinion, how is he violating the 1st Amendment...I'll hold my breath.
 
Barnacle said:
Is that his 8th or 9th public whining about our President? Classic case of a broken record ...
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

It is really sad that the right has fallen so low that all you can do in response to the truth is call it a broken record.

Speak out against trump and you are now the enemy no matter the amount of service you've given to your country. The right would rather believe a guy who dodged the draft numerous times and praise him.

Just wow.
 
Barnacle said:
Is that his 8th or 9th public whining about our President? Classic case of a broken record ...
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There are disgruntled folks in every walk of life. Trump haters are always gonna hate.
 
mrjurrs said:
Based on your expert opinion, how is he violating the 1st Amendment...I'll hold my breath.
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I didn't say he was, but obviously he doesn't respect it because he chose not to say, "That is their right. I'll respect that vice trying to take advantage my position in the military to criticize the very citizen's I swore to protect and serve along with the rights they're excercising".
 
apdst said:
He works for the people. We're his boss. He isn't ours.
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Nope. In a representative republic we elect people to make our decisions. They both work for the Constitution, not the people.
 
jamesbyoung said:
And, even this won't change the Trumpers' minds.

“As Americans, we should be frightened — deeply afraid for the future of the nation. When good men and women can’t speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security — then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil."
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Admiral William H. McRaven, the commander who oversaw the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, discussing Trump's firing of Joseph Maguire (Director of Intelligence) in the Washington Post, 02/21/20

They'd rather watch the house burn and take everyone with it than share it with those who don't admire the murderous Putin as much as they do.

They are our worst and stupidest citizens and President Reagan, who they deludedly claim to admire, would spit in their unAmerican faces.
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A Trump hater who served under Obama and we should care about his OPINION why?
 
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