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Admiral McRaven chasties the Trump crowd

apdst said:
Annnnnnd, there you go, back-sliding...lol
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Says the liar, who like Trump, falsely accuses others of doing what he (you) are doing.
 
apdst said:
You're lying.
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No, I’m not. I see you’ve been reduced to meaningless one liners though. Guess that’s what happens when you can’t defend your own cult.
 
Tigerace117 said:
No, I’m not. I see you’ve been reduced to meaningless one liners though. Guess that’s what happens when you can’t defend your own cult.
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Prove it using credible sources.
 
apdst said:
Prove it using credible sources.
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The constant defense of the Russians and the shrieks of “deep state” when anyone points out the Trump cult’s close affiliation with them, for one.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The constant defense of the Russians and the shrieks of “deep state” when anyone points out the Trump cult’s close affiliation with them, for one.
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He's never defended the Russians. He's killed more Russians than any president in U.S. history.
 
apdst said:
He's never defended the Russians. He's killed more Russians than any president in U.S. history.
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That’s false by any standards. If one counts Afghanistan President Reagan killed far more than any skirmish wit( Russian mercenaries....which they initiated. Had they not Trump would have happily continued defending them and their presence there.

Not to mention, of course, that considering that for the past sixty years or so killing lots of Russians would have lead to a potential nuclear exchange, so “killing lots of Russians” hasn’t exactly been something most presidents prioritized.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Almost every story about Trump is true, each one worse than before. He must be defeated. He is burning down American while neverTrumpers, indies, centrists, and Dems are trying to save it.
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Rofl...that's simply not true. The only people burning down America are the leftists, in their hatred for Trump. The only thing we've gotten from Trump so far is a great economy, wage growth for the lower class improving faster than the upper class, addressing of China's economic thefts and unethical business actions, and no new land wars or toppling of foreign regimes.
 
apdst said:
Yeah and they're all Leftists. :lamo

All McGuire had to do was say "Russia" and you people start freaking the **** out.
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You mean like Trump?
 
Condor060 said:
So because Schiff is the chairman he can do as he pleases, just leak national security information because he is the chairman huh. Glad we cleared that up.
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And you can prove what you saying is factual?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Iirc, the Admiral is retired.
So, I'm unsure that insubordination is applicable even if it were relevant.
The man is an expert in national security issues.

Trump is not.

If there is a discrepancy between experts' assessment of a situation and a layman's assessment (especially a layman with skin in the game) i.e. Trump,
it's reasonable to decide that the experts know more about their field than the layman.

It's reasonable to give weight to the McRaven's opinion on this subject where McRaven is arguably one of the experts.
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Sadly, for America, it is becoming more obvious every day that Trump cares more about loyalty to himself than loyalty to the nation.
Responding to news of Russian interference, Trump sends chilling message to U.S. intelligence community

Intelligence officers pride themselves as apolitical fact-finders who follow the rule of “speak truth to power.” But President Trump has tacked on a new coda: “Do so at your peril.”

In ousting his acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, last week after a revealing briefing on foreign election interference, Trump has reminded members of the intelligence community that he views the information they bring him through a deeply personal lens.
(. . .)
Intelligence officers are used to working with presidents who don’t enthusiastically embrace or always agree with their analysis. But Trump’s tendency to shoot the messenger puts the people working for him in a precarious position.
(. . .)
There is talk of “trying to hide” stuff, one of the former officials said, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private discussions. “Some people believe the president can’t be trusted with this politically sensitive information anymore.
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Trump's naming a totally inexperienced person as 'acting' head of the DNI is yet one more indicator that he - Trump - really doesn't give a **** about the security of the United States.
There’s a sense that he’s installing his guy [Grenell] and they’re going to come in and try to look for stuff, and they’re not trustworthy.”

Grenell, who has no experience in the intelligence community, is close to Trump and his children. The president delights in his boosterism on Fox News and Twitter, where Grenell frequently clashes with the president’s critics and with journalists.
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Fishking said:
Rofl...that's simply not true. The only people burning down America are the leftists, in their hatred for Trump. The only thing we've gotten from Trump so far is a great economy, wage growth for the lower class improving faster than the upper class, addressing of China's economic thefts and unethical business actions, and no new land wars or toppling of foreign regimes.
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Trump, of course, is the great class enemy of all Americans who are not rich.

He inspires TDS hatred among his lackeys and followers.

The great economy is Obama's heritage, the a lack of diplomacy is Trump's heritage.

Trump hates American values, civil and political. He is authoritarian and most go home forever.
 
Somerville said:
That would be Trump, NOT Admiral McRaven
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McRaven is scolding citizens of the republic for excercising their 1st Amendment rights. Sounds like he thinks the armed forces oughta be running the show.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Trump, of course, is the great class enemy of all Americans who are not rich.
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You read the words, but you don't understand the words. You wrote that above, even though this was what I wrote, and you quoted.

Fishking said:
wage growth for the lower class improving faster than the upper class
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Let me help you out here.

Workers at lower end of pay scale getting most benefit from rising wages

What has set this rise apart is that it’s the first time during an economic recovery that began in mid-2009 that the bottom half of earners are benefiting more than the top half — in fact, about twice as much, according to calculations by Goldman Sachs. The trend began in 2018 and has continued into this year, and could be signaling a stronger economy than many experts think.
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Your hatred of Trump doesn't negate the facts that Trump's economy is doing great, and it's best for the lower class. Educate yourself on the real numbers, instead of watching CNN and MSNBC.

The great economy is Obama's heritage,
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No it isn't. Obama's recovery was noted by mostly lower wage and temporary job creation. Obama said you couldn't bring back manufacturing unless you had a magic wand. Trump has done better on both and apparently has a magic wand because manufacturing has starting coming back.

the a lack of diplomacy is Trump's heritage.
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Please. Obama assisted in the creation of ISIS and toppled the government of Libya, turning it into a complete failed state that now has open-air slave markets and genocide.

Trump hates American values, civil and political. He is authoritarian and most go home forever.
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I'm guessing you missed the State of the Union Address and how Trump talked about the rich heritage of our country and how America has been successful while the only thing the left does is hate America and talk about how everything it does is bad, was founded bad, always was bad, and still is bad.

Please don't respond with such uneducated nonsense again. I don't let people slide with such shallow commentary and getting slapped down has to be humiliating.
 
apdst said:
McRaven is scolding citizens of the republic for excercising their 1st Amendment rights. Sounds like he thinks the armed forces oughta be running the show.
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It is your belief then that some American citizens don't have the same rights to speak out as other Americans.
 
Somerville said:
It is your belief then that some American citizens don't have the same rights to speak out as other Americans.
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Obviously you and McRaven believe that to be true.
 
jamesbyoung said:
And, even this won't change the Trumpers' minds.

“As Americans, we should be frightened — deeply afraid for the future of the nation. When good men and women can’t speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security — then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil."
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Admiral William H. McRaven, the commander who oversaw the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, discussing Trump's firing of Joseph Maguire (Director of Intelligence) in the Washington Post, 02/21/20

They'd rather watch the house burn and take everyone with it than share it with those who don't admire the murderous Putin as much as they do.

They are our worst and stupidest citizens and President Reagan, who they deludedly claim to admire, would spit in their unAmerican faces.
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Trump is a patriot. Our military officers tend to suck however. Insulting me does not tend to win anyone any points.
 
US&THEM said:
And you can prove what you saying is factual?
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How many videos would you like to see of people who have stopped sharing information with the House Intelligence Committee because Chair Adam Schiff will leak it to the media.

 
Irwin Corey said:
I'm sure you can link to facts that prove it was Adam Schiff that leaked "Classified" information?

Trump has the Shidus touch, EVERYTHING he touches turns to ****; including many spotless and revered reputations of many good men and women that have spent their lives in service to this country. Anyone that stands up to him, disagrees with him or calls him out for his ignorance and ineptitude is trashed as a liar and traitor. And his supporters jump right in and pile on. -sad

This from a man and his supporters who wouldn't know the truth if it fell on them. tRumps stock in trade is lying about things he's done, crimes he's committed, his failures in life and business. He lies about people that oppose him to off load true accusations against himself. He's a conman from top to bottom and NOTHING more.
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So it appears you are going to run with the same ole beaten down worn out stories from 2016 huh. We all saw how that turned out.

Good luck
 
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