ACLU: Black man detained while moving into own Kansas home

[trouble13]

Watch for a couple of minutes?
Something quite simple

Yeah watch him go in the fromt pretending to be moving in then sneaking away out the back to get away. You would not make a very good cop.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

 

[JasperL]

I don't know about this. I watched the video and I'm struggling to see anything the police did that was wrong or inappropriate. If this had taken place in the middle of the day then I'd definitely question the actions of those officers, but 4 in the morning?

There was no violence or excessive force by the cops, nor was there the usual screaming of commands like "drop it" or "get on the ground" like we so often hear during similar confrontations. Both parties seemed to have acted appropriately and once police confirmed the man's story, they were polite, apologized and helped the man carry the TV.

The other claims made after the incident I'm a bit suspicious of. Since the police knew they made a mistake, apologized for it, and parted on good terms with the man after the incident, why would they (after dodging a bullet) then choose to harass the man? Then there's the question of why the man waited until 2 months after the incident to file a racial bias complaint about it?

On the other hand, if there's video from after the incident that proves police did the harassing things the man alleged, then I think he might have a case against the police department.

I suspect the racial bias complaint was tied up in the stuff you don't quite believe, which was parking outside his house most mornings, and then following him for no reason for 7 miles from his house.

And if the ACLU was correct about the data, the stop, pulling a gun and putting him in handcuffs was just another example of _________ [insert what black guy was doing at that time] While Black, because there had been ZERO incidents in that area, and the guy was doing nothing actually wrong, except being black in a very white area. They had no reason to stop and question him at all, except maybe a 'Hello, how's it going. Moving in? Great have a nice night. Welcome to the area.'

 

[JasperL]

Yeah watch him go in the fromt pretending to be moving in then sneaking away out the back to get away. You would not make a very good cop.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

And you'd make a good one assuming everyone moving anything is a crook and needs to be put in handcuffs and their story checked out?

You'd make a REALLY BAD COP if you assumed that because it's daytime it isn't a problem. At least in my area, the house burglars always come during the day, when the residents are at work, and there are lots of workers around.

 

[trouble13]

And you'd make a good one assuming everyone moving anything is a crook and needs to be put in handcuffs and their story checked out?

You'd make a REALLY BAD COP if you assumed that because it's daytime it isn't a problem. At least in my area, the house burglars always come during the day, when the residents are at work, and there are lots of workers around.

If you want to pretend that what that guy was doing wasnt suspicious be my guest. Maybe he will get lucky and find a jury of 12 others that think you.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

 

[Hatuey]

Yeah watch him go in the fromt pretending to be moving in then sneaking away out the back to get away. You would not make a very good cop.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

.... Lol... What?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[trouble13]

.... Lol... What?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Imagine if your a crook robbing a home. You see headlights coming down the street so you change direction from walking from the the house to the van, to the opposite, from the can toward the house. Making it appear that your unloading the van.

You see its a cop observing your activities so you calmy enter the home through the front door as if your moving in. Then while the cop is sitting outside waiting to see if your gonna come out for the next item out of the van, you sneak out the backdoor and get away.

Congradulations to that cops steller police work. Crook got away but whats really important was accomplished. Nobody inconveinced a black man acting suspiciouly and we suceeded in not feeding his persecution paranoia. After all thats way more important than getting criminals off the street.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

 

[danarhea]

They were looking to book him under the double secret charge of Black Man Carrying a TV.

From the information we have it does sound like racial profiling. If the facts are correct the officers should be fired. I'm betting they won't be.

Seems the cops there watched this movie too many times.

 

[JasperL]

If you want to pretend that what that guy was doing wasnt suspicious be my guest. Maybe he will get lucky and find a jury of 12 others that think you.

Moving stuff into a house isn't illegal. It was 'suspicious' because of 1) the hour and 2) he's black. That's not enough 'suspicion' IMO to detain, pull a gun on and handcuff someone. If it was then anyone coming home from Best Buy with a TV is now "suspicious." How do they KNOW he didn't steal that TV?!!!! They cannot watch him because if they did, he's liable to go out the back door and RUN!!! There's zero chance you'd accept that for yourself or a child or family member as normal and appropriate.

And the hour of day or night doesn't matter because burglaries are more often during normal hours, during the day.

Furthermore, if you believe the guy, they'd cruised around his house several times during the night and had seen him moving stuff into the house. Then the video shows they lied about why they were "suspicious" which was allegedly because of a rash of break-ins that ACLU said simply didn't happen.

Finally, it didn't end there, as the complaint shows and you keep ignoring.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Yeah watch him go in the fromt pretending to be moving in then sneaking away out the back to get away. You would not make a very good cop.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

You can watch from.a distance. Not park right next to the van and guy. You know observe first then react

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

And you'd make a good one assuming everyone moving anything is a crook and needs to be put in handcuffs and their story checked out?

You'd make a REALLY BAD COP if you assumed that because it's daytime it isn't a problem. At least in my area, the house burglars always come during the day, when the residents are at work, and there are lots of workers around.

yep most house break in' s are done during the day.

 

[3leftsdoo]

The problem here is that the $take$ are simply too high to know who is misrepresenting what.

While it's unquestionable that the gaze of law enforcement is exceedingly fixed upon people of color, in this instance...?

None of us have anything remotely approaching enough factual information to determine if there was wrongdoing by the police, nor what the basis may have been beyond the reality articulated above.

 

[Grand Mal]

From the Associated Press

ACLU: Black man detained while moving into own Kansas home
​

The Kansas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union on Thursday asked state officials to investigate after a black man was detained by police while moving into his home, then allegedly harassed for weeks and blocked by the police chief from filing a racial bias complaint with the department.

Karle Robinson, a 61-year-old Marine veteran, was held at gunpoint and handcuffed in August as he was carrying a television out of a rented moving van into the home he had bought a month earlier in Tonganoxie, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) west of Kansas City.

“I’d like to see those cops and that chief lose their jobs because this was uncalled for — this is strictly racial profiling,” Robinson told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday.

He added that if he were white “we wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now.”

COMMENT:-

What puzzles me is the fact that the police officer did not know that the percentage of times that a robber is taking stuff INTO the house that they are robbing closely approximates 0.0000000%.
​

The question of 'probable cause' needs looking into. If there wasn't enough probable cause to cuff the guy, sounds like assault to me.

 

[Hatuey]

Imagine if your a crook robbing a home. You see headlights coming down the street so you change direction from walking from the the house to the van, to the opposite, from the can toward the house. Making it appear that your unloading the van.

You see its a cop observing your activities so you calmy enter the home through the front door as if your moving in. Then while the cop is sitting outside waiting to see if your gonna come out for the next item out of the van, you sneak out the backdoor and get away.

Congradulations to that cops steller police work. Crook got away but whats really important was accomplished. Nobody inconveinced a black man acting suspiciouly and we suceeded in not feeding his persecution paranoia. After all thats way more important than getting criminals off the street.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

I can't imagine stupid things as easily as you can. There were no thieves in this story, period. Lol, why continue to argue this nonsense?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[trouble13]

Moving stuff into a house isn't illegal. It was 'suspicious' because of 1) the hour and 2) he's black. That's not enough 'suspicion' IMO to detain, pull a gun on and handcuff someone. If it was then anyone coming home from Best Buy with a TV is now "suspicious." How do they KNOW he didn't steal that TV?!!!! They cannot watch him because if they did, he's liable to go out the back door and RUN!!! There's zero chance you'd accept that for yourself or a child or family member as normal and appropriate.

And the hour of day or night doesn't matter because burglaries are more often during normal hours, during the day.

Furthermore, if you believe the guy, they'd cruised around his house several times during the night and had seen him moving stuff into the house. Then the video shows they lied about why they were "suspicious" which was allegedly because of a rash of break-ins that ACLU said simply didn't happen.

Finally, it didn't end there, as the complaint shows and you keep ignoring.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm also not making the assumptions that you are. Strictly going from his version of the events as described in the story he has not met the burden of proof for what he is claiming an act of racism.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I467 using Tapatalk

 

[HenryChinaski]

If you want to pretend that what that guy was doing wasnt suspicious be my guest. Maybe he will get lucky and find a jury of 12 others that think you.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

There’s a 24 hour Walmart a mile and a half from me. I’ve been thinking about picking up a new TV. I don’t want to look suspicious, so can you tell me the hours that are safe and acceptable to buy it and lug it into my house?

 

[sjmay]

There’s a 24 hour Walmart a mile and a half from me. I’ve been thinking about picking up a new TV. I don’t want to look suspicious, so can you tell me the hours that are safe and acceptable to buy it and lug it into my house?

None, you live in Chicago.

 

[sjmay]

Absolutely nothing wrong with the initial stop, etc,

If anything beyond that is true, then absolutely something needs to be done.....

The problem everyone is in a rush to judge, and common sense takes a back seat. "OMG the cops should never have questioned him, it's his house" Ok, answer me how do they know that? "Well they should have asked" yea, people in general don't lie, and criminals, NEVER lie.

The guy wasn't hurt, wasn't damaged in anyways by the initial stop......they secured the scene, verified the info, and everyone moved on.

If the 2nd part is true, then you have a valid complaint. Doesn't make sense that it would happen the way the story laid it out, or that he would wait 2 months, but..strange truth is often better than fiction.

 

[HenryChinaski]

None, you live in Chicago.

Idiotic reply.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Idiotic reply.

I thought it was clever.

But then again...

:newhere:

 

[3leftsdoo]

Absolutely nothing wrong with the initial stop, etc,

If anything beyond that is true, then absolutely something needs to be done.....

The problem everyone is in a rush to judge, and common sense takes a back seat. "OMG the cops should never have questioned him, it's his house" Ok, answer me how do they know that? "Well they should have asked" yea, people in general don't lie, and criminals, NEVER lie.

The guy wasn't hurt, wasn't damaged in anyways by the initial stop......they secured the scene, verified the info, and everyone moved on.

If the 2nd part is true, then you have a valid complaint. Doesn't make sense that it would happen the way the story laid it out, or that he would wait 2 months, but..strange truth is often better than fiction.

Wrap the thread, we have the correct answer.

(Though I would add that handcuffing those who are not under arrest is often unacceptable, and that this now commonplace procedure needs to change.)

 

[SDET]

Anyone who still watches television should be considered suspicious.

 

[SDET]

None, you live in Chicago.

His avatar says chit-town, not Chicago.

 

[The Mark]

From the Associated Press

ACLU: Black man detained while moving into own Kansas home
​

The Kansas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union on Thursday asked state officials to investigate after a black man was detained by police while moving into his home, then allegedly harassed for weeks and blocked by the police chief from filing a racial bias complaint with the department.

Karle Robinson, a 61-year-old Marine veteran, was held at gunpoint and handcuffed in August as he was carrying a television out of a rented moving van into the home he had bought a month earlier in Tonganoxie, about 30 miles (48 kilometers) west of Kansas City.

“I’d like to see those cops and that chief lose their jobs because this was uncalled for — this is strictly racial profiling,” Robinson told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday.

He added that if he were white “we wouldn’t even be having this conversation right now.”

COMMENT:-

What puzzles me is the fact that the police officer did not know that the percentage of times that a robber is taking stuff INTO the house that they are robbing closely approximates 0.0000000%.
​

Maybe said officer didn't get past "black person carrying a TV"?

 

[The Mark]

They were looking to book him under the double secret charge of Black Man Carrying a TV.

From the information we have it does sound like racial profiling. If the facts are correct the officers should be fired. I'm betting they won't be.

Even if they are they'll probably get hired somewhere else.

There's apparently a great support network for bad officers.

 

[The Mark]

Police are just doing their job with caution. It was a judgment call that's all.

I think they need their judgement adjusted.