Abortion Is Against Science And Common Sense, Its Murder

[AGENT J]

Please don't give advice that you aren't even capable of following.

and another delicious dodge, deflection and lie . . so awesome.

We are still waiting, please support your absurd and factually wrong claim, come on. Tell us how you factually separate them, thanks.

Who bets my request is ran from again?

 

[trixare4kids]

Then why can't you list one right a fetus has, and why did you clearly post 'the fetus has NO RIGHTS of it's own' ?...If/when you get your confusion on this matter resolved,get back with me, and we can further discuss this. As it stands now, clearly you are taking two different stands by your very own words. So, it's not a matter of my reading comprehension, it's a matter of you figuring out which of your 2 'stated claims' you choose to go with. You can't have it both ways. ( fact )

You have no argument. You lost the argument when you claimed a fetus has no rights when I clearly showed you that the state of CA. proved your nonsense wrong; Conner Peterson.
What do you think PRO-choice means? A pg. woman, a woman named Laci Peterson, who had already declared that her choice to direct her own reproductive autonomy (the very reason for Roe vs Wade exists btw) has had her decision stomped out by a murderer, and you are seriously going to tell me that her unborn child has NO rights? In your dreams.

 

[Logician Man]

You have no argument. You lost the argument when you claimed a fetus has no rights when I clearly showed you that the state of CA. proved your nonsense wrong; Conner Peterson.
What do you think PRO-choice means? A pg. woman, a woman, Laci Peterson, who had already declared that her choice to direct her own reproductive autonomy (the very reason for Roe vs Wade exists btw) has that decision stomped out by a murderer, and you are seriously going to tell me that her unborn child has NO rights? In your dreams.

Using that logic, you lost your own argument with yourself and your 2 different claims when you posted 'the fetus has no rights of it own.' ( your words clearly put forth by yourself in post # 40 ). Do you often take both sides of an argument, and then proceed to make yourself look foolish as you are clearly doing now ?

 

[trixare4kids]

Using that logic, you lost your own argument with yourself and your 2 different claims when you posted 'the fetus has no rights of it own.'

I didn't lose the argument.
You lost when you said the fetus has no rights and were foolish enough to ask the reader to prove that they did.
Conner Peterson, the fetus, had rights. Prove that he didn't.

Now just stop before you take the time to embarrass yourself further.

 

[Logician Man]

I didn't lose the argument.
You lost when you said the fetus has no rights and were foolish enough to ask the reader to prove that they did.
Conner Peterson, the fetus, had rights. Prove that he didn't.

Now just stop before you take the time to embarrass yourself further.

You also stated the fetus has no rights in post # 40. Have you forgotten you made that positive claim ? And you're the one claiming the fetus also has rights, but haven't posted one of those rights, and now you want the other side to disprove what you have yet to put forth as fact ?.You took both sides of an argument, which is flat out nonsense,and now you've backed yourself into a corner you can't get out of by your own accord. Just how deep of a hole do you plan on digging yourself into ?

 

[Oborosen]

and another delicious dodge, deflection and lie . . so awesome.

We are still waiting, please support your absurd and factually wrong claim, come on. Tell us how you factually separate them, thanks.

Who bets my request is ran from again?

Because they are two different entities, are they not?

Now if only you could do more than bluster.

 

[SkyFox76]

I didn't lose the argument.
You lost when you said the fetus has no rights and were foolish enough to ask the reader to prove that they did.
Conner Peterson, the fetus, had rights. Prove that he didn't.

Now just stop before you take the time to embarrass yourself further.

Okay I'll play along. Direct quotes from you.

Wrong.

Just as a woman has a right to abort a fetus, so she has a right to carry it to term, unmolested by others. Although the fetus does not have rights of its own, the pregnant woman has rights; thus, the government properly protects her body, its contents, and her choice to bring the fetus to term.

Scott Peterson convicted of second-degree murder of his unborn son Conner.

Haha, you wish.
The fetus has rights; see the state of CA. vs. Scott Peterson.
Why do you suppose the state found him guilty of second degree murder?
For the fun of it?

But I've already mentioned all this above, so either learn to read or learn to tuck that big old tail feather of yours.

That fetus, you'd like to dismiss as having NO rights, has a name. His name is Conner Peterson.

ETA:
I say the above proudly as a PRO-CHOICE WOMAN.
See if you can figure out what this means taking my words into context.

You've just argued against your own claim.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Because they are two different entities, are they not?

Now if only you could do more than bluster.

1.) wow what a complete fail, that factually doesn't separate them (health, life and body) in anyway whatsoever . . . do you know how pregnancy works?
2.) you can call pointing out facts and your failed claim blustering all you want but your feelings dont matter or the reality your claim is still wrong and you cant support it with one fact that makes it true . . . not one

maybe you forget the absurd and factually wrong comment you posted, here it is

The topic of abortion has always concerned the life of the child, not the mothers body (health and life)..

please let us know when you can show how they can be factually separated, thanks!

 

[trixare4kids]

You also stated the fetus has no rights in post # 40. Have you forgotten you made that positive claim ? And you're the one claiming the fetus also has rights, but haven't posted one of those rights, and now you want the other side to disprove what you have yet to put forth as fact ?.You took both sides of an argument, which is flat out nonsense,and now you've backed yourself into a corner you can't get out of by your own accord. Just how deep of a hole do you plan on digging yourself into ?

The fetus has rights if the woman says so.
I thought you were pro-choice? I am not convinced.

Yours is an argument of convenience against those who are not pro-choice; the pro-life crowd.
I am not the enemy. I am a woman who recognizes that other women have the right to direct their reproductive autonomy.
The fact that you dismiss Laci Peterson's choice is telling...Her fetus, her unborn child has a name; Conner Peterson. Conner's sperm donor is serving a lifetime sentence for his murder.

 

[Logician Man]

The fetus has rights if the woman says so.
I thought you were pro-choice? I am not convinced.

Yours is an argument of convenience against those who are not pro-choice; the pro-life crowd.
I am not the enemy. I am a woman who recognizes that other women have the right to direct their reproductive autonomy.
The fact that you dismiss Laci Peterson's choice is telling...Her fetus, her unborn child has a name; Conner Peterson. Conner's sperm donor is serving a lifetime sentence for his murder.

I'm not wasting any more time on this. Two people have now provided clear evidence you are arguing against your own claim, using your very own words and posts. If you want to continue looking foolish and digging a deeper hole for yourself...so be it.

 

[Oborosen]

1.) wow what a complete fail, that factually doesn't separate them (health, life and body) in anyway whatsoever . . . do you know how pregnancy works?
2.) you can call pointing out facts and your failed claim blustering all you want but your feelings dont matter or the reality your claim is still wrong and you cant support it with one fact that makes it true . . . not one

maybe you forget the absurd and factually wrong comment you posted, here it is


please let us know when you can show how they can be factually separated, thanks!

Because they are. This isn't something that is new, and if all you have are disparaging remarks and the same hollow blustering. I really don't see any reason to continue trying to have an actual conversation with you.

When you ask a woman how her child is doing when she's pregnant, you don't ask her "how is your body doing?". Do you?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Because they are. This isn't something that is new
2.), and if all you have are disparaging remarks and the same hollow blustering. I really don't see any reason to continue trying to have an actual conversation with you.
3.) When you ask a woman how her child is doing when she's pregnant, you don't ask her "how is your body doing?". Do you?

1.) sorry facts prove otherwise hence your inability to support your claim with anything that makes sense and proves your failed posts
2.) deflections like this will never work, they will never hide the fact your absurd claim got completed exposed and destroyed and you cant support it with any facts that make it true, it only further exposes them much to my delight
3.) this is is even more absurd than your original failed comment and doesnt do anything to factually separate them body health and life

so here we are in the same spot, do you have ONE single fact that supports your claim and makes it true . . . ONE, please post it now or post with honesty and integrity and admit your claim is factually false. Let us know, thanks!



ill never understand why people double down on lies and or factually wrong claims . . does it EVERY work?

 

[trixare4kids]

I'm not wasting any more time on this. Two people have now provided clear evidence you are arguing against your own claim, using your very own words and posts. If you want to continue looking foolish and digging a deeper hole for yourself...so be it.

You are wrong yet again.
I am thrilled you won't be wasting anymore of your valuable time arguing that Laci's choice didn't matter.
Her CHOICE had a name, and his name was Conner, and yes, Conner had rights.

 

[Logician Man]

You are wrong yet again.
I am thrilled you won't be wasting anymore of your valuable time arguing that Laci's choice didn't matter.

Keep digging...I haven't said a word about the Peterson case. But you've certainly tried and failed extremely hard to put words in other's mouths because you seem hell bent on making yourself look even more foolish than you already have by arguing against your own claim. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad, desperate,and pathetic. but here it is, nonetheless....( see post # 57 )

 

[Oborosen]

1.) sorry facts prove otherwise hence your inability to support your claim with anything that makes sense and proves your failed posts
2.) deflections like this will never work, they will never hide the fact your absurd claim got completed exposed and destroyed and you cant support it with any facts that make it true, it only further exposes them much to my delight
3.) this is is even more absurd than your original failed comment and doesnt do anything to factually separate them body health and life

so here we are in the same spot, do you have ONE single fact that supports your claim and makes it true . . . ONE, please post it now or post with honesty and integrity and admit your claim is factually false. Let us know, thanks!



ill never understand why people double down on lies and or factually wrong claims . . does it EVERY work?

The fetus is not a part of the woman's body. If it was, it would have her same genetic code. However this is not the case, as it has it's own genetic code compiled from both the mother and the father.

Do you have anything to disprove this fact?

 

[Oborosen]

Keep digging...I haven't said a word about the Peterson case. But you've certainly tried and failed extremely hard to put words in other's mouths because you seem hell bent on making yourself look even more foolish than you already have by arguing against your own claim. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad, desperate,and pathetic. but here it is, nonetheless....

Apologies for butting in. But might you share the topic of this conversation with me?

I'd be more than willing to have a constructive debate with you.

 

[Logician Man]

The fetus is not a part of the woman's body. If it was, it would have her same genetic code. However this is not the case, as it has it's own genetic code compiled from both the mother and the father.

Do you have anything to disprove this fact?

If it's not part of the woman's body, then there should be no complaints if/when the woman decides to remove it from her body. Correct ?

 

[ecofarm]

The fetus is not a part of the woman's body. If it was, it would have her same genetic code. However this is not the case, as it has it's own genetic code compiled from both the mother and the father.

Do you have anything to disprove this fact?

Plenty of stuff in my body has different genes and you ain't got no right to none of it.

 

[Logician Man]

Apologies for butting in. But might you share the topic of this conversation with me?

I'd be more than willing to have a constructive debate with you.

Well, OB...The topic is fetus rights. If you can list any rights a fetus has, sure, list them and we can discuss. If you can't list any rights a fetus has, there's really no need for further discussion regarding this topic.

 

[trixare4kids]

If the pregnant woman makes it known that her choice is to go forth and carry through with her pregnancy until birthing day, how can some sit here and say that her unborn child, a fetus, has NO rights? It should be understandable for the pro-choice peeps to get this concept. Choice is how the woman defines HER pregnancy, the very definition of reproductive autonomy. I do not often come to this forum, and for good reason... but bring it. You won't win the fetus has no rights when the woman clearly has made her intentions known to others around her.

When a pregnant woman is murdered Is it a double homicide?

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act, passed in 2004, defines a fetus as a "child in uterus" and a person as being a legal crime victim "if a fetal injury or death occurs during the commission of a federal violent crime." In the U.S., 38 states have laws with more harsh penalties if the victim is murdered while pregnant.

Murder of pregnant women - Wikipedia

 

[Oborosen]

If it's not part of the woman's body, then there should be no complaints if/when the woman decides to remove it from her body. Correct ?

If it the object being removed didn't have value as a life. I would find no reason to disagree with you. Though I will admit that there are two very extreme splits on the divide of the fetus being an actual life, or if it's just a lump of flesh.

I'm all for making exceptions. But in my opinion if one is to put a value on life, then that fetus must be treated as if it's value was just a viable to any child, minutes from being born.

 

[Oborosen]

Plenty of stuff in my body has different genes and you ain't got no right to none of it.

What might that stuff be then, transplanted organs perhaps?

 

[trixare4kids]

Well, OB...The topic is fetus rights. If you can list any rights a fetus has, sure, list them and we can discuss. If you can't list any rights a fetus has, there's really no need for further discussion regarding this topic.

That poster doesn't need to list anything when the law already recognizes the rights a fetus has.... Argue your own moral relativism as a reason unborn babies have no rights aka fetuses, but long story short, you won't win

Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia

 

[Logician Man]

If it the object being removed didn't have value as a life. I would find no reason to disagree with you. Though I will admit that there are two very extreme splits on the divide of the fetus being an actual life, or if it's just a lump of flesh.

I'm all for making exceptions. But in my opinion if one is to put a value on life, then that fetus must be treated as if it's value was just a viable to any child, minutes from being born.

I'm really not seeing that as discussing any 'legal' rights a fetus has, OB. We were discussing any rights a fetus may have, and Trix first stated the fetus does have rights, then did a complete 180 and said the fetus doesn't have any rights. ( which is clearly posted above for all to see ).So, it appears you are wanting to discuss a different topic, that being the 'value' of the unborn. Is that a fair analyisis ?

 

[ecofarm]

What might that stuff be then, transplanted organs perhaps?

Is that ignorant, dumb or stupid? Microorganisms. They're mine.