ABC News: Roger Stone's wife raising money through Newt's email list

[Chomsky]

First, being charged =/= guilty.

The evidence against, the federal prosecutorial success rate, and in particular the Mueller team success rate is, pretty much 100%. And we're not talking 1 crime here, but 7 crimes of 3 different varieties; in 1 guy!

You're far too smart to try to convince me that Stone isn't very likely guilty, so please don't. We heard the same about Manafafort, Flynn, Gates, Papadopolis, etc. Not one charged by Mueller, got away. Not one.

Second, what's that got to do with his wife and Gingrich working together to raise funds for Stone's defense? Are they not allowed to do so? How is such criminal?

Oh, come-on. They're funding and consorting with a damn criminal! :doh

 

[joko104]

So these people get rich by gaming the electoral system and now they want citizens to pay for their legal defense?? Sell your house, you dimwit.

NO person should lose their home as a requirement to have a fair trial and legal representation - for which even if proven 100% innocent the person has lost their home - and probably everything else.

 

[Kal'Stang]

So the charges were not criminal?? They were civil charges?

That the charges are criminal is irrelevant to Stones wife and Newt trying to raise funds for Stones defense. It is also irrelevant because Stone is not a criminal until he is convicted.

 

[joko104]

The evidence against, the federal prosecutorial success rate, and in particular the Mueller team success rate is, pretty much 100%. And we're not talking 1 crime here, but 7 crimes of 3 different varieties; in 1 guy!

You're far too smart to try to convince me that Stone isn't very likely guilty, so please don't. We heard the same about Manafafort, Flynn, Gates, Papadopolis, etc. Not one charged by Mueller, got away. Not one.

Oh, come-on. They're funding and consorting with a damn criminal! :doh

Mueller is known for convicting innocent people and even opposing release after proven innocent for his reputation. This includes innocent men serving as long as 28 years in prison and innocent men dying in prison. Convicting innocent people and his having a staff that does so is Mueller TRUE history.

Not So Honorable: Docs Show Mueller’s FBI Denied Justice To Four Innocent Men | The Daily Caller

 

[Kal'Stang]

The evidence against, the federal prosecutorial success rate, and in particular the Mueller team success rate is, pretty much 100%. And we're not talking 1 crime here, but 7 crimes of 3 different varieties; in 1 guy!

You're far too smart to try to convince me that Stone isn't very likely guilty, so please don't. We heard the same about Manafafort, Flynn, Gates, Papadopolis, etc. Not one charged by Mueller, got away. Not one.

It doesn't matter. Guilty until proven innocent is not the American way.

Oh, come-on. They're funding and consorting with a damn criminal! :doh

So what? Even if he IS a criminal so what? I'm a criminal and you're consorting with me just by talking to me. Jesus man, its his WIFE, and friend, why shouldn't/wouldn't she/he support him if she/he believes he's innocent? It's called love and loyalty.

 

[noonereal]

It doesn't matter. Guilty until proven innocent is not the American way.



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Nothing to do with this conversation but although not in word, guilty until proven innocent is the American way in deed.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Nothing to do with this conversation but although not in word, guilty until proven innocent is the American way in deed.

Perhaps for vengeful people that care more about perception and/or ideology over what is right and wrong.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I can't stop laughing about this. One scumbag helping another.





Wife of Roger Stone seeks donations on Gingrich'''s email list - ABC News

Stone's estimated net worth is nearly twenty million dollars.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

He received a reprimand,

And his walking papers. Even conservatives couldn't stand his bullcrap anymore, which is why he got booted out of office.

 

[Chomsky]

Mueller is known for convicting innocent people and even opposing release after proven innocent for his reputation. This includes innocent men serving as long as 28 years in prison and innocent men dying in prison. Convicting innocent people and his having a staff that does so is Mueller TRUE history.

Not So Honorable: Docs Show Mueller’s FBI Denied Justice To Four Innocent Men | The Daily Caller

I'm wary of the Daily Caller, but have heard these claims made before. If I get a chance, I'll try to do a little quick research on it.

 

[Chomsky]

It doesn't matter. Guilty until proven innocent is not the American way.

Don't even try to play that card. We're doing practical political analysis. Not one guy charged by Mueller, has walked. And you're trying to tell me Stone will? You're trying to disprove my general statement, with a specific (hypothetically possible) single exception. It don't work that way.

My statement of the GOP "becoming criminal", is a general one. And I'm right. Whether it's Cohen in the RNC Finance committee, or Maria Butina being accepted into top echelons of the NRA & GOP, or now Gingrich throwing his hat in with Stone. It's just another example.

So what? Even if he IS a criminal so what?

So - my general statement on the GOP & criminality stands. And the Gingrich's are jumping right in!

I'm a criminal and you're consorting with me just by talking to me. Jesus man, its his WIFE, and friend, why shouldn't/wouldn't she/he support him if she/he believes he's innocent? It's called love and loyalty.

Perhaps. But it's just one more example of the GOP associating in criminal matters.

 

[joko104]

I'm wary of the Daily Caller, but have heard these claims made before. If I get a chance, I'll try to do a little quick research on it.

Please give it a fair reading. These cases of Robert Mueller are not against Trump nor, so far, has anything shown Trump had knowledge. Many people around officials try to figure how to financially benefit themselves - or figure if they do dirty deeds for the president they will later be rewarded as their own calculations - or get lost in the hype of issues or campaigns. This clearly happened on behalf of Hilary Clinton and appears the same for Donald Trump. Simply, try to disassociate the question with your opinion of President Trump.

Unfortunately, too many prosecutors see their job as getting convictions for their reputation, and some even have a contest between them of who can get the longest sentence. Bragging of conviction rates is common. Too many forget that true job of a prosecutor:

"The job of a prosecutor is not to obtain convictions, but to see that justice is served." That means if the evidence does not support conviction, do not pursue conviction, ie do not run it up the flag pole to see if a jury salutes it. If after a conviction there is evidence the conviction may not be justice, then vigorously explore that possibility, not just blindly fight to keep the person incarcerated.