A summary of the Mueller investiagtion thus far.

[Mycroft]

Well...that and the fact that there have been several "bombshell!!!" "SMOKING GUN!!!" stories that caused the idiot leftists to pee themselves with glee only to have them turn out to be pure bull**** lies or gigantic failed nothing burgers...the entire Mueller 'investigation' has been just more of the corrupt bull**** carried over from Comey, McCabe, Strzuk and the rest of the clowns.

I would like to see a real investigation...not one by a team formed of Clinton cronies. Id like to see that investigation take all the information they actually have including the names attached to the FISA warrants, and investigate ALL of this ****. If Trump or his team is actually guilty of Collusion...hang the ****ers. If the Clinton team and the DNC is guilty of collusion...hang them. As for the FBI? Hang every one of those corrupt ****ers that knowingly colluded with the DNC to fabricate this **** and attempt to overthrow the results of an election.

I think it's entirely possible we will see that real investigation, but it won't be until Mueller has gone home. (hopefully in the next couple of months)

 

[sangha]

If the answer is no one on the Mueller team is leaking info to Bernstein and others, then we can conclude that, for example, Bernstein's expose/book are hogwash unless Bernstein is clairvoyant.

There is a leaker in the Mueller investigation and you need to acknowledge it.

tl;dr

 

[cabse5]

tl;dr

What? You're pro-Mueller investigation? Nah.:lamo

 

[apdst]

All those indictments, all those guilty pleas is 'nothing to say'?

Apparently, you seem to think that unless or until there are charges leveled directly at the president, it is all just a total waste of time and resources. People are going to prison and assets are being forfeited because they broke the law.

Don't misunderstand me. I realize that if Mueller does directly implicate the president in criminal activity, you are ready willing and able to deflect, deny, and defend the president, regardless of the charges.

Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any votes. He was talking about you. You are loyal. Be proud of it.

So far, none of them have anything to do with "collusion".

 

[Mach]

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about statements from Berstein and Karl. They both cite a leaked draft version of the upcoming Mueller final report.

If Mueller is intentionally giving information to the press, that's not a leak.
A leak is information that gets out that was not supposed to get out. There is no draft out there that anyone has. No on was shown a draft..at least I find no evidence of anyone claiming to have seen it.
There does appear to be a question that was asked of Bernstein however, presumably by someone from Mueller's team. That's not a leak, that's preparation, using a trusted Watergate figure.

(I know who Carl Bernstein is, who is Karl (you say Bernstein AND Karl) I suppose if you could quote it that would help.)

It was also in the form of a question apparently (all I could find in short order)

What’s interesting here is that Mueller has fed this to Bernstein in the form of a question: did Trump do Putin’s bidding, but did he do it wittingly?

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/draft-report-leak-devastating-trump/15300/

Bernstein also said he has been told that the draft of Mueller's final report shows Trump helped Putin "destabilize" the U.S.

But the above seems to be inferred from the first quote...the question. This is just Bernstein's own assumptions it looks like to me, based on that question he was asked.

"Look, Trump keeps going back to the idea we need better relations with Russia. Could be. He could well be right," Bernstein said. "But from a point of view of strength and what everybody can see is that he has not acted with Russia from the United States having a strength advantage with Russia. Rather, he has done what appears to be Putin’s goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not, and that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...rt-says-trump-helped-putin-destabilize-the-us

So I can imagine Bernstein being summoned by someone on Mueller's team..
>>What did Mueller find???
And in response, this time, he got a question.
>> did Trump do Putin’s bidding, but did he do it wittingly?

 

[Mycroft]

That leak came from Congress

Can't read, eh?

Someone leaked to Bernstein...

Legendary journalist Carl Bernstein has said that he’s been told that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will show how President Donald Trump helped Russia “destabilize the United States."

https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-re...n-destabilize-us-watergate-journalist-1289541

Someone leaked to Karl...

Speaking on the latest report from the New York Times on President Donald Trump’s relationship with the FBI, ABC’s Jon Karl told George Stephanopoulos people who are close to Robert Mueller tell him the report of the investigation is “certain to be anti-climatic” and not have any bombshells.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/abcs...-say-his-report-certain-to-be-anti-climactic/

Now...the thing you are talking about...that the FBI opened an investigation on Trump after he fired Comey...that either came from Congress or Baker. I'm leaning toward Congress on that. But, as I said, that issue isn't what I was talking about.

 

[tres borrachos]

That leak came from Congress

That's what I think too. Congressional rep? Aide? Who knows? But I also would bet money that this came from Congress.

 

[sangha]

Can't read, eh?

Someone leaked to Bernstein...

Yes, that someone is from Congress

Someone leaked to Karl...

Karls info comes from people who are working with, or close to, the SC - not ON the SC team

Even your own link contradicts the lies you are trying to spread

 

[sangha]

That's what I think too. Congressional rep? Aide? Who knows? But I also would bet money that this came from Congress.

At this point, there is no doubt. The leak was backed with a transcript of a closed door Congressional hearing. Only a Congress member would have such a transcript

 

[Mycroft]

If Mueller is intentionally giving information to the press, that's not a leak.

Nonsense. Information is quite commonly intentionally leaked. All politicians...and especially Presidents...do it. Even Trump. It's a means of getting their version of something out without having to make an official statement.

A leak is information that gets out that was not supposed to get out. There is no draft out there that anyone has. No on was shown a draft..at least I find no evidence of anyone claiming to have seen it.
There does appear to be a question that was asked of Bernstein however, presumably by someone from Mueller's team. That's not a leak, that's preparation, using a trusted Watergate figure.

(I know who Carl Bernstein is, who is Karl (you say Bernstein AND Karl) I suppose if you could quote it that would help.)

It was also in the form of a question apparently (all I could find in short order)


https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/draft-report-leak-devastating-trump/15300/


But the above seems to be inferred from the first quote...the question. This is just Bernstein's own assumptions it looks like to me, based on that question he was asked.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...rt-says-trump-helped-putin-destabilize-the-us

So I can imagine Bernstein being summoned by someone on Mueller's team..
>>What did Mueller find???
And in response, this time, he got a question.
>> did Trump do Putin’s bidding, but did he do it wittingly?

Rather than waste time responding to your convoluted nonsense, I'll just repeat the links I gave sangha. You can see what both men said for yourself.

https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-re...n-destabilize-us-watergate-journalist-1289541

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/abcs...-say-his-report-certain-to-be-anti-climactic/

 

[sangha]

Nonsense. Information is quite commonly intentionally leaked. All politicians...and especially Presidents...do it. Even Trump. It's a means of getting their version of something out without having to make an official statement.



Rather than waste time responding to your convoluted nonsense, I'll just repeat the links I gave sangha. You can see what both men said for yourself.

https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-re...n-destabilize-us-watergate-journalist-1289541

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/abcs...-say-his-report-certain-to-be-anti-climactic/

Neither of your links claim that the leaks came from Mueller or his team. They say the opposite

 

[Mycroft]

Neither of your links claim that the leaks came from Mueller or his team. They say the opposite

LOL!!

Who else do you think has access to Mueller's draft report? Congress?

 

[sangha]

LOL!!

Who else do you think has access to Mueller's draft report? Congress?

Muellers draft report has not been leaked.

 

[Mycroft]

Muellers draft report has not been leaked.

Well, I don't know what you call it when two different men say "I've been told" about what's in the draft report, but I'd say most people would call that a leak.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Well, I don't know what you call it when two different men say "I've been told" about what's in the draft report, but I'd say most people would call that a leak.

They would say that though wouldn't they? Then the credulous will believe them.

 

[sangha]

Well, I don't know what you call it when two different men say "I've been told" about what's in the draft report, but I'd say most people would call that a leak.

I assume there are many things you do not know, but Muellers draft has not been leaked. What was leaked was the congressional testimony of FBI officials who are not on the SCs team

 

[Mach]

Nonsense. Information is quite commonly intentionally leaked. All politicians...and especially Presidents...do it. Even Trump. It's a means of getting their version of something out without having to make an official statement. Rather than waste time responding to your convoluted nonsense, I'll just repeat the links I gave sangha. You can see what both men said for yourself.
https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-re...n-destabilize-us-watergate-journalist-1289541
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/abcs...-say-his-report-certain-to-be-anti-climactic/

And that's what I get for making a reasonable, detailed response to your inquiry. So much for trying to discuss it nicely!

I already detailed to you what Bernstein said, and how it relates to Mueller.

Again:
A leak is unsanctioned:
A news leak is the unsanctioned release of confidential information to news media. It can also be the premature publication of information by a news outlet, of information that it has agreed not to release before a specified time, in violation of a news embargo.[1]

If they intentionally drop clues to reporters, that is communication, it's journalism, and reporting.

Bernstein was ASKED A QUESTION possibly from Mueller's team or someone with access to the findings. That's not a leak if it was authorized. And he didn't see any draft and doesn't claim to have.

Now, Jon Karl on the other hand, did you even read what he claims?

“But what I am getting is — this is all building up to the Mueller report and raising expectations of a bombshell report. And there were investigations that were building of course over a year on this. People closest to what Mueller is doing, interactive with the special counsel, cautioned me, that this report is certain to be anti-climatic,” Karl said.

He didn't see any draft either. And there is no evidence that's a leak either. It's also not saying they are part of special counsel's team, only people who interact with them....

So you don't appear to have read or understood it.

 

[sangha]

He didn't see any draft either. And there is no evidence that's a leak either. It's also not saying they are part of special counsel's team, only people who interact with them....

So you don't appear to have read or understood it.

Rightwingers, in order to avoid the discomfort of cognitive dissonance, must believe that Mueller and his team are guilty of misdeeds. Therefore, if there is a leak, it MUST HAVE come from Mueller. ANy facts to the contrary will just not be understood.

Therefore, if someone leaks info they gathered from people who are not a part of the SCO about the SCO, they can come to no other conclusion but that it is the same as the SCO leaking.

It has to be that or they will feel bad.

 

[Mycroft]

I assume there are many things you do not know, but Muellers draft has not been leaked. What was leaked was the congressional testimony of FBI officials who are not on the SCs team

So...both Bernstein and Karl lied?

Considering the fact that they both say conflicting things, I suppose that's possible. Wouldn't be the first time talking potato heads have lied.

 

[sangha]

So...both Bernstein and Karl lied?

No. You did

 

[Mach]

So...both Bernstein and Karl lied?
Considering the fact that they both say conflicting things, I suppose that's possible. Wouldn't be the first time talking potato heads have lied.

Quote precisely what you think they lied about. No linking to things you don't read, or can't parse and make sense of.
The single sentence they claimed, that you think "conflicts" and evidences this Muller draft was "leaked".

 

[Irwin Corey]

Mueller ain't going to deliver ****e.. Hell, he himself needs to be investigated based on verifiable untoward behavior. I mean, Jesus how much material evidence of democratic operatives inside major US national security and law enforcement agencies does he need to indicted? Honestly, I think that this is what is taking him so long, he simply hasn't covered his tracks well enough yet. Once he feels comfortable, then he will deliver his precious report.


Tim-

You should link some of those accusations … or are they just "your" opinion.

 

[ultmd]

Well...that and the fact that there have been several "bombshell!!!" "SMOKING GUN!!!" stories that caused the idiot leftists to pee themselves with glee only to have them turn out to be pure bull**** lies or gigantic failed nothing burgers...

Stop lying. It's a bad look. Neither you, nor any other blind rightwing ideologue/Trump acolyte, can point to any "lies" or "nothing burgers". The Mueller investigation has been a HUGE success in terms of finding "witches" and bringing them to justice. Deep down, even the dumbest of Trump acolytes knows this.

I would like to see a real investigation...not one by a team formed of Clinton cronies. Id like to see that investigation take all the information they actually have including the names attached to the FISA warrants, and investigate ALL of this ****. If Trump or his team is actually guilty of Collusion...hang the ****ers. If the Clinton team and the DNC is guilty of collusion...hang them. As for the FBI? Hang every one of those corrupt ****ers that knowingly colluded with the DNC to fabricate this **** and attempt to overthrow the results of an election.

FISA warrants? Seriously? That again?

Stupid remarks.

The FISA warrant issue is another fake scandal created by the fake news crowd. And there is ZERO evidence of an Democratic collusion with the Russians.

One thing we all know is that there is NOTHING that can persuade the Trump acolytes to choose their country over their party, their ideoogy and their political leaders. Nothing.

I'm sorry, but you people have been hopelessly brainwashed, and deserve some of the ridicule you get.

 

[Mycroft]

No. You did

I have only quoted both men.

 

[sangha]

I have only quoted both men.

You misspelled lied