A Shutdown Reveals the Transformation of the GOP

[code1211]

i support removing or changing the loophole that lets him engage in unilateral trade wars.

Senate inaction, lethargy and cowardice is a loophole?

 

[sangha]

If the entire cost of the wall is allocated and spent, that is, I think, around 25 Billion.

In projected spending of around 4 Trillion, 5 Billion is a rounding error.

Then I am sure you will not mind if the govt spends $5B to provide abortions to women who want one but cannot afford one. :roll:

 

[code1211]

Then I am sure you will not mind if the govt spends $5B to provide abortions to women who want one but cannot afford one. :roll:

I am not in favor of that. I don't know why or how you made that leap.

Are there other parts of the Homeland Security budget that also lead you to abortion funding? Is there ANY topic that would not lead you to abortion funding?

In passing, I feel that as a society we need to assure that abortions can be found and paid for by those who need them as quickly after the conception as possible. At some point in the nine months though, killing the unborn would need to be recognized as murder.

I understand that the "medicare for all" expenditure proposed is about 3 or 4 trillion per year. THAT could lead you back to abortion funding. Not sure.

IF the government enacts measures to completely eliminate all unauthorized immigration, that will more than pay back $5 Billion every year.

Here's a confusing fact check that pretty much proves from the various sources that the cost of illegal immigration to the various levels of government is much more than $5 Billion each year.

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

 

[sangha]

In passing, I feel that as a society we need to assure that abortions can be found and paid for by those who need them as quickly after the conception as possible.

And I think we need to assure that walls can be found and paid for by those who need walls

 

[code1211]

And I think we need to assure that walls can be found and paid for by those who need walls

You mean like the citizens of the United States?

Are there other laws that you also think should be simply ignored?

Is there any responsibility you feel needs to be accepted by our legislators to actually do their work?

Why did you feel it was necessary to deceptively edit my post, dishonestly changing the meaning?

 

[sangha]

You mean like the citizens of the United States?

No. I mean Trump and his supporters. They are the only ones who seem to have a need for a wall

Are there other laws that you also think should be simply ignored?

There is a law which says we have to build a wall?

Link?

Is there any responsibility you feel needs to be accepted by our legislators to actually do their work?

Yes, I think McConnel and the repub senators need to do their job and vote for the CR that just passed the House, which is identical to the one the Senate passed last year

Why did you feel it was necessary to deceptively edit my post, dishonestly changing the meaning?

Why are you dishonestly claiming I changed anything?

 

[code1211]

No. I mean Trump and his supporters. They are the only ones who seem to have a need for a wall



There is a law which says we have to build a wall?

Link?



Yes, I think McConnel and the repub senators need to do their job and vote for the CR that just passed the House, which is identical to the one the Senate passed last year

Why are you dishonestly claiming I changed anything?

You edited away parts of my post and presented it as if it was not edited. Eliminating any part changes the whole.


Can you detect any subtle changes in this sculpture as a result of the removed parts?

Others besides Trump and his supporters also seem to need a wall for protection. Obama comes to mind. He had one expanded vertically before occupying the house he lives in today.

Immigration laws.

So ONLY Republicans need to be responsible. Got it!

 

[sangha]

Others besides Trump and his supporters also seem to need a wall for protection.

No they dont

Obama comes to mind. He had one expanded vertically before occupying the house he lives in today.

No he did not

Immigration laws.

Which immigration law requires us to build more walls? Link?

So ONLY Republicans need to be responsible. Got it!

Yes, because the rest of us already are

 

[code1211]

No they dont


No he did not



Which immigration law requires us to build more walls? Link?


Yes, because the rest of us already are

I don't know if you'r lying out of ignorance or intent.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lding-wall-Obamas-new-Washington-DC-home.html

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Workers were seen at the property on Friday morning, constructing a new wall as part of the ongoing renovations ahead of the President's arrival

 

[sangha]

I don't know if you'r lying out of ignorance or intent.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...lding-wall-Obamas-new-Washington-DC-home.html

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Workers were seen at the property on Friday morning, constructing a new wall as part of the ongoing renovations ahead of the President's arrival

Obama built that wall?

Besides, that wall is waist high

 

[code1211]

Obama built that wall?

Besides, that wall is waist high

How high is YOUR waist?

Is your real name Goliath?

 

[sangha]

How high is YOUR waist?

Is your real name Goliath?

Somewhere between 30 and 36 inches

Nope

A middle school girl could skip over a wall that high

 

[Helix]

Senate inaction, lethargy and cowardice is a loophole?

https://theweek.com/articles/758375/dishonest-pretext-trumps-trade-war

 

[HumblePi]

A Shutdown Reveals the Transformation of the GOP

The Trump/McConnell government shutdown of 2018/2019.



The supposed party of fiscal conservatism exists no more. From the tax-reform bonanza for the wealthy to billions demanded for Trumps medieval 13th century wall, the GOP is exploding the federal deficit.

The federal budget deficit swelled to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, driven in large part by a sharp decline in corporate tax revenues after the Trump tax cuts took effect. The deficit rose nearly 17 percent year over year.

The deficit will top $1 Trillion in 2019. And no, I don't want to hear the assured 2019/2020 budget-deficit-crocodile-tear-cries of the GOP that we need SS and Medicare 'reforms'. (a euphemism for a wooden stake).

It was quite interesting at the swearing in of the new Congress that Nancy Pelosi quoted Ronald Reagan in her address. GOP used to applaud any quote or comment attributed to their iconic Republican president, but not that day. They all sat there with their hands folded like petulant, angry little boys. They use their power to vote down any bill as though it were their testicles just to prove they're men. They aren't men, they're sheep being led by an evil shepherd. They aren't Republican Party members, they're Trump Party devotees. In Reagan's last speech as President of the United States he said:

"If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership role in the world will be lost."

 

[iguanaman]

Well, the good news is Trump is pulling out of the Middle East, a sucking vacuum costing over 5 Trillion dollars in 17 years. That should make over $294 Billion in savings per year, as well as prevent long-term costs caused by wounded, disabled, and PTSD suffering service members.

Still, I find it funny that people complain about a deficit, when we've had growing deficits under most Presidencies, and the only answer after pushing more social welfare spending programs is to demand higher taxes on everything possible.

I don't care which Party is in power. I'd like to see a little less spending, a lot more fiscal responsibility, and most importantly, more of my hard-earned wages remaining in MY pockets and not being spent to put it into other peoples.

Trump has increased military spending and handing Syria to Iran and the Russians won't save us a dime.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Were the cement plant you cite built after November 2016?

No of course not, they've been there for thirty years, and there are numerous accounts of the pollution problems dating pretty far back.

Why do you ask if they were built after 2016. Is it an attempt to invalidate my points?
Best of luck to you with that. Don't take my word for it, go check into it yourself and see if I am exaggerating.

 

[iguanaman]

It was quite interesting at the swearing in of the new Congress that Nancy Pelosi quoted Ronald Reagan in her address. GOP used to applaud any quote or comment attributed to their iconic Republican president, but not that day. They all sat there with their hands folded like petulant, angry little boys. They use their power to vote down any bill as though it were their testicles just to prove they're men. They aren't men, they're sheep being led by an evil shepherd. They aren't Republican Party members, they're Trump Party devotees. In Reagan's last speech as President of the United States he said:

"If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership role in the world will be lost."

That is Putin's goal and Trump is doing his bidding. We are lost if we can't rid our ourselves of him.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Social Security is an excellent example of Government waste. This is not due to the wisdom of or need for the program but rather to the administration of the program.

Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme that will continue to take more and more of every paycheck to support more and more people living longer and longer.

Social Security needs to be revised to operate more like a 401k plan to accumulate the monies and then more like an Annuity to distribute the monies. In this way there is NO budgetary cost to the program.

This was suggested by newt in the 90's and was dismissed by the shrieking Liberals in the Congress and the Media.

This one move could balance the budget and eliminate the debt in 50 years. Failing to make this conversion is utterly stupid and completely Congressional.

Actuarial adjustments to the top income cap on SS would make the program solvent into the next century.
And human beings are not going to wind up with lifespans of 200 years or more, just because life expectancy rose in the last century.
By the way, that life expectancy has actually been GOING DOWN in the United States recently.

You're just putting lipstick on a pig called "Social Security privatization", and by your logic, ALL insurance and pension programs are "ponzi schemes". That's a very impressive sounding "buzz word" but it's only impressive to low information people who always react with their amygdalas first.

Are you in for the entire Fear Based Weapons Grade Historical Revisionism Smorgasbord?**

** Social Security is a ponzi scheme, unfunded liabilities top $1.4 quadrillion worldwide as banks mull global coup d'etat in historic repossession of Planet Earth, vaccinations cause autism, Jade Helm, United States is not a democracy, anything after the Tenth Amendment is invalid, Hitler was a liberal, climate change is a Chinese hoax, the Constitution was written by Christ - secret gun toting Savior, Jews secretly plotting to heist the world's banks, etc.
(Those are the top ten)

 

[SheWolf]

Well, the good news is Trump is pulling out of the Middle East, a sucking vacuum costing over 5 Trillion dollars in 17 years. That should make over $294 Billion in savings per year, as well as prevent long-term costs caused by wounded, disabled, and PTSD suffering service members.

Still, I find it funny that people complain about a deficit, when we've had growing deficits under most Presidencies, and the only answer after pushing more social welfare spending programs is to demand higher taxes on everything possible.

I don't care which Party is in power. I'd like to see a little less spending, a lot more fiscal responsibility, and most importantly, more of my hard-earned wages remaining in MY pockets and not being spent to put it into other peoples.

Statements like that just shows how utterly empty the principles of the GOP always were. I mean, seriously, the deficit is why the Tea Party came to be.

Your party stands for nothing and neither do you. That also shows in your and the party's attitude towards Obama, and criticizing him for leaving Iraq and for the rise of ISIS, and now backing Trump for pulling out of multiple places. Yes, ISIS will resurge, but I guess that is OK since this is Trump and not Obama.

But where I really disagree with the empty GOP is on our allies and the wars. I don't think we should destroy alliances or try to play international politics solely for our own dysfunctional and unprincipled goals. The US isn't acting like a leader. If you stand for nothing, you have no reason to stand. Your party needs to find it's soul.

 

[Xyce]

That is Putin's goal and Trump is doing his bidding. We are lost if we can't rid our ourselves of him.

For those who say I don't know American liberalism, there it is, right here. iguanaman, like many liberals on this forum, epitomizes it. Without any proof at all, despite the fact that the US under Trump, policy-wise, has been very hard on Putin, iguanaman says that "Trump is doing his [Putin's] bidding." And you want me to believe that Trump and the Republicans can reasonably work together with these people? You think that it is the Republicans fault for not coming up with a bill that can get bipartisan support, in spite of Democrats believing Trump is Hitler who committed treason by conspiring with Putin and that Republicans enable such a Hitlerian figure? Think about it. If you are asked to work together to come up with mutual ideas with someone who thinks you're Hitler and that you committed treason and who thinks you should be impeached and imprisoned, how do you accomplish such an endeavor?

 

[HumblePi]

That is Putin's goal and Trump is doing his bidding. We are lost if we can't rid our ourselves of him.

Our country elected a cancer and his name is Trump. He's the most corrupt, criminal element that ever sat in the Oval Office. Richard Nixon was a damned saint next to this monster. This cancer has infiltrated deep into the very bones of this democracy and it's eating it up from the inside out. Unless he's out of office by 2020 then we're all going to feel the full force of what it's like to live without real freedom, and it's going to last until the end of days.

 

[HumblePi]

For those who say I don't know American liberalism, there it is, right here. iguanaman, like many liberals on this forum, epitomizes it. Without any proof at all, despite the fact that the US under Trump, policy-wise, has been very hard on Putin, iguanaman says that "Trump is doing his [Putin's] bidding." And you want me to believe that Trump and the Republicans can reasonably work together with these people? You think that it is the Republicans fault for not coming up with a bill that can get bipartisan support, in spite of Democrats believing Trump is Hitler who committed treason by conspiring with Putin and that Republicans enable such a Hitlerian figure? Think about it. If you are asked to work together to come up with mutual ideas with someone who thinks you're Hitler and that you committed treason and who thinks you should be impeached and imprisoned, how do you accomplish such an endeavor?

I hope the Democrats are DONE trying to work with the Republicans. Just say 'no' to a wall, no matter what. There will never be a wall, never. So people should take that as fact and deal with it and if they can't, then it's just too damned bad. It's not happening.

 

[Xyce]

I hope the Democrats are DONE trying to work with the Republicans. Just say 'no' to a wall, no matter what. There will never be a wall, never. So people should take that as fact and deal with it and if they can't, then it's just too damned bad. It's not happening.

You can't be DONE with something you never started. From day 1, the Democrats have been against this man. And since they think he is Hitler who committed treason, conspiring with Russia to illegitimately win the presidency, why would they work with him at all? If they truly believe all that, it would be morally wrong just to consider working with him, right?

 

[iguanaman]

For those who say I don't know American liberalism, there it is, right here. iguanaman, like many liberals on this forum, epitomizes it. Without any proof at all, despite the fact that the US under Trump, policy-wise, has been very hard on Putin, iguanaman says that "Trump is doing his [Putin's] bidding." And you want me to believe that Trump and the Republicans can reasonably work together with these people? You think that it is the Republicans fault for not coming up with a bill that can get bipartisan support, in spite of Democrats believing Trump is Hitler who committed treason by conspiring with Putin and that Republicans enable such a Hitlerian figure? Think about it. If you are asked to work together to come up with mutual ideas with someone who thinks you're Hitler and that you committed treason and who thinks you should be impeached and imprisoned, how do you accomplish such an endeavor?

The proof is in Trump's own words and actions. Just because you are too blind to see does not mean it is not true. Trump is a Manchurian candidate and will go down in history as such. He was elected at the behest and with the help of a foreign adversary and not a day goes by that we are not reminded of this fact. This goes far beyond party and the Republican Senators will have to choose between Trump or country. I believe they will choose country.

 

[HumblePi]

You can't be DONE with something you never started. From day 1, the Democrats have been against this man. And since they think he is Hitler who committed treason, conspiring with Russia to illegitimately win the presidency, why would they work with him at all? If they truly believe all that, it would be morally wrong just to consider working with him, right?

They are against his policies because they've proved to be horrible for our country's democracy and our image as a world leader. He's a joke that everyone at the United Nations laughed AT not with but AT HIM. For anyone to try to give this idiot any amount of credit for anything is ridiculous. Whatever has been accomplished for the economy was not because of anything he did, he only spoke the words that took the credit for everything. He doesn't have a single though in his head that wasn't put there by Jared Kushner, Wilbur Ross, John Bolton or Stephen Miller. He doesn't have the brains to read about the things that concern our intelligence agencies, our environment, our geopolitical policies. He just does not have that aptitude but at least he's just smart enough to listen most time to the advice his staffers give him.

Yes we're against him because he's not equipped or capable of being the president of one of the strongest nations in the world. He was a crappy businessman that started with millions of his daddy's money and robbed, cheated and stole everything. He sold his soul out decades ago for gold. So yeah, not only do we fight against this racketeer, we condemn those that enable his malevolence.