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A rise in premature births among Latina women may be linked to Trump's election, study says

jmotivator said:
Well, he is no more a dictator than previous presidents. You have simply worked yourself up into a frenzy over things you would have easily ignored had the President doing them been a Democrat.
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You are wrong about me.

I was hard on Obama. I was a Republican during Obama's terms. Trump and his enablers have made the GOP completely intolerable -- have me scared for the future of the U.S. But I remember what I criticized Obama for, and Trump is worse. I remember what the rest of my former party criticized Obama for and accused Democrats of. I remember supporting the investigations the GOP Congress made into Obama and Hillary. I hoped they would find something to back up the accusations they made against Obama. But in spite of spending millions of dollars they found nothing. Now Trump and the GOP are openly doing what the Republican Congress accused Obama of and spent so many millions on combing through Obama administration emails to try to find evidence for. The GOP didn't find it. I was disappointed. Now the GOP doesn't care that Trump is loudly and proudly doing what they hoped to be able to pin on Obama. I am scared.
 
Amelia said:
You are wrong.

I was hard on Obama. I was a Republican during Obama's terms. Trump and his enablers have made the GOP completely intolerable -- have me scared for the future of the U.S. But I remember what I criticized Obama for, and Trump is worse. I remember what the rest of my former party criticized Obama for and accused Democrats of. I remember supporting the investigations the GOP Congress made into Obama and Hillary. I hoped they would find something to back up the accusations they made against Obama. But in spite of spending millions of dollars they found nothing. Now Trump and the GOP are openly doing what the Republican Congress accused Obama of and spent so many millions on combing through Obama administration emails to try to find evidence for. The GOP didn't find it. I was disappointed. Now the GOP doesn't care that Trump is loudly and proudly doing what they hoped to be able to pin on Obama. I am scared.
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What investigations? Benghazi? confirmed what was suspected. The DOJ allowing guns to be smuggled into Mexico that ended up killing a border agent, confirmed.
 
dixon01767 said:
What investigations? Benghazi? confirmed what was suspected. The DOJ allowing guns to be smuggled into Mexico that ended up killing a border agent, confirmed.
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Excuse me. A _little_ was found on Obama. Obama and Hillary lied (or heavily spun) about what what led to Benghazi -- we didn't need Congress to tell us that. One place where they came up empty of even a whiff of wrongdoing was when they hoped to find that Obama had interfered with the IRS when it appeared the IRS may have been attempting to muzzle Tea Party organizations. Meanwhile we have Trump actively and openly interfering with and threatening agencies and branches which are supposed to be independent. If the GOP could have found an email or an appointment ledger entry which hinted Obama did what Trump does openly and often, Congress would have impeached Obama.
 
jmotivator said:
Like I said, you all are scared ****less by this president which shouldn't be the case if you trusted the checks and balances.
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There is no check with GOP holding the Senate, they are hack scumbags that will protect Trump. Plus, Trump has been forcing in complete hacks on to the courts, even SCOTUS. So who wouldn't be concerned when republicans are destroying any checks and balances there may be
 
Amelia said:
You are wrong about me.

I was hard on Obama. I was a Republican during Obama's terms. Trump and his enablers have made the GOP completely intolerable -- have me scared for the future of the U.S. But I remember what I criticized Obama for, and Trump is worse. I remember what the rest of my former party criticized Obama for and accused Democrats of. I remember supporting the investigations the GOP Congress made into Obama and Hillary. I hoped they would find something to back up the accusations they made against Obama. But in spite of spending millions of dollars they found nothing. Now Trump and the GOP are openly doing what the Republican Congress accused Obama of and spent so many millions on combing through Obama administration emails to try to find evidence for. The GOP didn't find it. I was disappointed. Now the GOP doesn't care that Trump is loudly and proudly doing what they hoped to be able to pin on Obama. I am scared.
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What you are doing is fear-mongering.
 
Harshaw said:
Trump hasn't done anywhere near what the Founders foresaw a rogue President doing.

Other Presidents have abused and arrogated power far beyond anything Trump has done. Woodrow Wilson, for example, who overtly sought to undo democracy and instate rule by a permanent bureaucracy.

It's true that the Founders expected Congress to take a much more active role in checking the President than they have done in almost a century. That's something Congress needs to step up and do.

For example, I read this today:

“This is a president who has violated the law 6 ways from Sunday,” said the committee’s chairman, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. He argued that Mueller’s report lays out “very substantial evidence” that Trump is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors,” the constitutional standard for impeachment.

If that is true, and Nadler actually believes it, then Nadler and Congress are derelict of duty in not impeaching him right now. So, Nadler, being the head of the appropriate committee, should be instituting proceedings at this very moment.
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Unfortunately, impeachment is not a legal process but a political one. The problem is that the senate under Mitch McConnell is corrupt, and the DOJ under Barr is corrupt. They will not allow an impeachment or any legal proceeding against Trump even if the evidence is completely overwhelming. If impeachment is pursued and McConnell shoots it down in the senate, the political view will be pushed that Donald Trump was acquitted and therefore not guilty. So once he is out of office and able to actually face a jury, the view will be pushed that "he was already tried by congress and found to be not guilty." So in that way he might escape actual legal scrutiny as well.

So that's why the Dems, at least under Pelosi's leadership, are now just going to keep building the case, trotting out all the mountains and mountains of evidence, without going ahead with an actual impeachment vote or legal proceeding. It is unfortunately a very political strategy and calculation for a deeply political situation in a very political time. The actual law cannot, unfortunately, actually be invoked at this time against a sitting president, because of the way things are set up right now.

The time for action will come. Later.
 
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dixon01767 said:
Ah geez, the crap they consider to be science these days. Come to expect it from the APA but now the AMA has drank the koolaid as well.
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Yeah, we know you conservatives, science you don't like is crap> yet, you don't point to any flaws in the study. You didn't even read the study, yet, it must be crap. Got to love the conservative idea of science, make up whatever you want to believe and just claim something you don't believe is crap.

God, conservatives are so smart (sarcasm)
 
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trixare4kids said:
What you are doing is fear-mongering.
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Admitting to being profoundly frightened is fear-mongering?

Jmotivator said that we were "scared ****less by this president" and I told him he was correct.


What part of that is fear-mongering?



If that's fear-mongering, then so be it. You can't shame me into being dishonest.
 
I checked the definition of "fear-mongering".

Pretty sure admitting to being scared isn't it.
 
ataraxia said:
Unfortunately, impeachment is not a legal process but a political one. The problem is that the senate under Mitch McConnell is corrupt, and the DOJ under Barr is corrupt. They will not allow an impeachment or any legal proceeding against Trump even if the evidence is completely overwhelming. If impeachment is pursued and McConnell shoots it down in the senate, the political view will be pushed that Donald Trump was acquitted and therefore not guilty. So once he is out of office and able to actually face a jury, the view will be pushed that "he was already tried by congress and found to be not guilty." So in that way he might escape actual legal scrutiny as well.

So that's why the Dems, at least under Pelosi's leadership, are now just going to keep building the case, trotting out all the mountains and mountains of evidence, without going ahead with an actual impeachment vote or legal proceeding. It is unfortunately a very political strategy and calculation for a deeply political situation in a very political time. The actual law cannot, unfortunately, actually be invoked at this time against a sitting president, because of the way things are set up right now.

The time for action will come. Later.
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It's still dereliction of duty for the House not to impeach if they believe those things to be true. According to Nadler, the evidence, and case, are already there.

McConnell can't "shoot down" impeachment; by Senate rules, they have to take it up if the House presents it to them (and politically, they wouldn't be able to refuse). The Senate can vote not to convict, but that's a different matter.

If Congress is going to exercise oversight, and they believe that the President has committed impeachable offenses, then they have a duty to impeach. Otherwise, they are enabling what they believe to be high crimes and misdemeanors.

You should be demanding it yourself, if checks and balances are something you are concerned about.
 
This story perfectly defines the essence and integrity of CNN and the loony leftist media today.

Which is why nobody of substance pays them any mind anymore and their ratings are sinking to QVC levels.
 
Harshaw said:
If Congress is going to exercise oversight, and they believe that the President has committed impeachable offenses, then they have a duty to impeach. Otherwise, they are enabling what they believe to be high crimes and misdemeanors.

You should be demanding it yourself, if checks and balances are something you are concerned about.
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Nope. They have a duty to do what they feel in their judgment will have the best long term chance of actually being effective. Unfortunatley, the presence of a corrupt senate makes it tricky and requiring some careful and considered tact and judgment on how to proceed.

Unlike Trump, these people actually think things through.
 
ataraxia said:
Nope. They have a duty to do what they feel in their judgment will have the best long term chance of actually being effective.
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"Being effective" at what?
 
ataraxia said:
Exposing the corruption at the Whitehouse and bringing it to justice.
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Beyond impeachment, that's not Congress's job. That may be the political job of Democrats vis-a-vis Republicans, but that's not the job of Congress vis-a-vis the White House.

The House has one way to bring the President to "justice": impeach.

It sounds like you'd rather not impeach because you think other things would be more effective against Trump politically, and that you approve of Congressional Democrats doing the same, for that reason. That's a partisan concern, not one of "justice."
 
ludin said:
OMG CNN has lost any and all credibility that they had not that it was that much to begin with.
can we take them off the MSM links?

this is the largest correlation not causation fallacies i have ever seen.

how the editor CNN didn't catch this is beyond me, and if he did then he should be fired.
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One can feel the sheer desperation at CNN- since their phony Russia Collusion narrative has been debunked, they've plummeted in the ratings, and are now in 3rd place behind Fox and MSNBC. Clown News Network, *honk honk*
 
RedAkston said:
Trump's election may be tied to premature births among Latina women - CNN



I thought I'd post this "news story" for anyone out there who still thinks CNN has any iota of doubt regarding the overwhelming bias at CNN. Blaming premature births on Trump. Can the liberal MSM sink any lower in terms of credibility?
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Well, there were a whole lot of people reduced to tears, many people said they were moving to another country, and one woman recently committed suicide by setting herself on fire because she couldn't live in a Trump world. This doesn't count the constant TDS disease that has reached epidemic proportions. Now we've got Democrats wanting Mueller to read his own report because they think Americans are so stupid they need to hear an audio book. The left have a way of connected dots to suit their agenda. None of this surprises me.
 
Harshaw said:
Beyond impeachment, that's not Congress's job. That may be the political job of Democrats vis-a-vis Republicans, but that's not the job of Congress vis-a-vis the White House.

The House has one way to bring the President to "justice": impeach.

It sounds like you'd rather not impeach because you think other things would be more effective against Trump politically, and that you approve of Congressional Democrats doing the same, for that reason. That's a partisan concern, not one of "justice."
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Not really. The house can do whatever it feels in the long-term will bring justice. That may mean criminal indictments when he is out of the White House. An impeachment at this time may jeopardize that.
 
ataraxia said:
Not really. The house can do whatever it feels in the long-term will bring justice. That may mean criminal indictments when he is out of the White House. An impeachment at this time may jeopardize that.
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It wouldn't jeopardize anything, and the House doesn't have anything to do with indictments.

If anything, impeachment and removal from office would bring criminal indictments sooner.

Shouldn't you want someone guilty of crimes removed from office? Especially if he's using the office to further criminal activity? If you would let that go on for political reasons, then again, your concern is partisan, not for "justice."
 
OMG not only are the 'rapists and drug dealers' having lots of babies, but now they're doing it early! Build the wall! These anchor babies will take our jobs even sooner than we anticipated with a head start like that! MAGAAAAAAAA!
 
Sampson Simpson said:
There is no check with GOP holding the Senate, they are hack scumbags that will protect Trump. Plus, Trump has been forcing in complete hacks on to the courts, even SCOTUS. So who wouldn't be concerned when republicans are destroying any checks and balances there may be
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Haha, for the record: "Complete Hacks" here means Simpson is convinced he knows Constitutional law better than Supreme Court Justices.
 
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