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A Question about Christ [W 77, 186]
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Re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
You pretty much nailed it...whatever torturous hell there is, we make for ourselves while we're living...when we're dead, we're dead...and no, God is not an evil bastard who would torture people forever...
You pretty much nailed it...whatever torturous hell there is, we make for ourselves while we're living...when we're dead, we're dead...and no, God is not an evil bastard who would torture people forever...
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Re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
If people wind up in Hell it will be their own sins, failure to repent of those sins, and the rejection of Christ's salvation that has put them there.
If people wind up in Hell it will be their own sins, failure to repent of those sins, and the rejection of Christ's salvation that has put them there.
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I am not aware of that one It's just me, but if so that would be a scary thought.
I am not aware of that one It's just me, but if so that would be a scary thought.
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What a deliciously ignorant and wishful statement.
This god you're referencing is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
It created this Hell.
It created the beings that would eventually end up there.
It had foreknowledge of that, and yet chose to create them in any case despite the fact that they would burn in torment forever.
You should really consider thinking things through before posting.
What a deliciously ignorant and wishful statement.
This god you're referencing is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
It created this Hell.
It created the beings that would eventually end up there.
It had foreknowledge of that, and yet chose to create them in any case despite the fact that they would burn in torment forever.
You should really consider thinking things through before posting.
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Breaking: not all people read and/or interpret the bible the same way, no matter how furious that makes some people.
Any actual Christian would know that.
Breaking: not all people read and/or interpret the bible the same way, no matter how furious that makes some people.
Any actual Christian would know that.
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Chapter and verse that says God created hell...I would like to know that one...
Chapter and verse that says God created hell...I would like to know that one...
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No ****, Sherlock, but not all of them are right, even a secularist should be able to figure that out, it's simple logic.
No ****, Sherlock, but not all of them are right, even a secularist should be able to figure that out, it's simple logic.
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Re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
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He also gave people a warning: Repent or perish (Luke 13:3).
Glad to help you out.
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He also gave people a warning: Repent or perish (Luke 13:3).
Glad to help you out.
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According to the bible, in the beginning, there was only god, and this god created everything. There doesn't need to be a specific verse referencing Hell's creation.
Chapter and verse that says God created hell...I would like to know that one...
According to the bible, in the beginning, there was only god, and this god created everything. There doesn't need to be a specific verse referencing Hell's creation.
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IF hell exists, that would be included in the category of 'all things', would it not? in the Christian bible, in Colossians 1:16 it says
That would imply to me that if Hell exists, God created it.
Chapter and verse that says God created hell...I would like to know that one...
IF hell exists, that would be included in the category of 'all things', would it not? in the Christian bible, in Colossians 1:16 it says
That would imply to me that if Hell exists, God created it.
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Why not...Genesis is specific about everything else He created...surely if He created a burning hell, He would have at least warned man first...there was no warning made to Adam...only that he would die if he disobeyed...
Why not...Genesis is specific about everything else He created...surely if He created a burning hell, He would have at least warned man first...there was no warning made to Adam...only that he would die if he disobeyed...
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Utterly irrelevant to what I stated. Warning or no warning, it knew who would burn forever, in advance, and yet created Hell and them nevertheless.
Please try again.
Utterly irrelevant to what I stated. Warning or no warning, it knew who would burn forever, in advance, and yet created Hell and them nevertheless.
Please try again.
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Why is it necessary? Colossians says it created everything.
And Genesis most certainly is not specific about everything else created. Where's the verse about wombats? If it's not in the bible, did some other agency create them?
Why is it necessary? Colossians says it created everything.
And Genesis most certainly is not specific about everything else created. Where's the verse about wombats? If it's not in the bible, did some other agency create them?
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A. I didn't argue otherwise.
B. There exists the possibility that many of them could be right, that it's irrelevant who is and/or everyone is interpreting in incorrect.
C. You really should consider refraining from referencing logic.
A. I didn't argue otherwise.
B. There exists the possibility that many of them could be right, that it's irrelevant who is and/or everyone is interpreting in incorrect.
C. You really should consider refraining from referencing logic.
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The Jewish faith does not not believe in a hell. The closet concept to hell that Judaism has is Gehinom, which is actually closer to the catholic concept of Purgatory. This concept is actually a later development (about 9th century). The concept of Sheol is most accurately described as 'the grave'.
The Jewish faith does not not believe in a hell. The closet concept to hell that Judaism has is Gehinom, which is actually closer to the catholic concept of Purgatory. This concept is actually a later development (about 9th century). The concept of Sheol is most accurately described as 'the grave'.
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That is more like what we believe, as well...it is merely the grave...nothing more...Job was spoken of as being in hell while he was in the belly of the fish because for all intents and purposes, that could have very well been his grave...
That is more like what we believe, as well...it is merely the grave...nothing more...Job was spoken of as being in hell while he was in the belly of the fish because for all intents and purposes, that could have very well been his grave...
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How can many of them be right when they make conflicting claims? You really don't know logic, do you?
How can many of them be right when they make conflicting claims? You really don't know logic, do you?
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God didn't make the decision to reject repentance and Christ's salvation. The sinner did.
Get a new dog.
God didn't make the decision to reject repentance and Christ's salvation. The sinner did.
Get a new dog.
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Re: A Question about Christ [W 77]
Tsk tsk...
Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."
What's the name of the place where there's "shame and EVERLASTING contempt"?
Tsk tsk...
Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."
What's the name of the place where there's "shame and EVERLASTING contempt"?
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Yes, unlike you, I'm quite familiar with logic. It's how I know you're not.
Seeing as this is about an omnipotent being, capable of all things, it's possible that this being made different interpretations fit different types of people, all of them right in their own way.
You don't really have a background in abstract thought, do you?
Yes, unlike you, I'm quite familiar with logic. It's how I know you're not.
Seeing as this is about an omnipotent being, capable of all things, it's possible that this being made different interpretations fit different types of people, all of them right in their own way.
You don't really have a background in abstract thought, do you?
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This god made the decision to make people it knew in advance would burn for eternity by such a rejection.
You really are having a hard time facing the reality of biblical claims.
What's got you so confused?
This god made the decision to make people it knew in advance would burn for eternity by such a rejection.
You really are having a hard time facing the reality of biblical claims.
What's got you so confused?