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A Nation of Simpletons

Vidi said:
I agree, but that’s not what we as a culture have decided.

Forget experts! Alex Jones says...! Forget experts! They’re part of the deep state! Forget experts! They’re part of the Patriarchy! Forget experts! They’re establishment shills!

It’s Hillary’s turn! Trump is pro-working man!

The dunderheads opinion now carries as much weight as the educated opinion. People who refuse to do the work of educating themselves expect their opinion to matter as much as the folks with PHDs.

And we allow it! Through social media, the web, every idiot has a podcast now.

It’s intellectual welfare.
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What you describe is the work of rightwing "think" tanks trying to sell these messages to a mass audience. Not so much a cultural decision.

In any case, such tanks need to be emptied.
 
joko104 said:
Only simpletons can see President Trump as unintelligent. Few people alive have had as much success in his goals in life as his life evolved than President Trump. On a personal level he is amazingly brilliant and obviously so.

For example:
When he wanted women, he did beauty contests.
When he wanted to be in the jet set, he had an airline.
When he wanted to be in the yachting world, he had a yacht.
When he wanted to be famous he became one of the most popular television celebrities.
When he wanted his name to be valuable for marketing, he made that happen.
He likes golf and the golfing crowd - so bought golf courses and country clubs around the world.
He is smart enough to never smoke cigarettes, use drugs or become a drunk - why his health at his age is a good as it is.
When he wanted to be president in his old age, he became president - despite EVERYONE saying it was IMPOSSIBLE.

NO ONE who becomes president is not extremely intelligent.

As a measure of PERSONAL success I can't think of a person alive more successful. While a person can debate his ethics or rant of business ventures that didn't work out, those are all just about MONEY - which a lot of people solely live for. He used money to obtain personal goals - not to just get more money. That is intelligent, very intelligent. Most super rich are just addicts to getting more money, nothing else.

Contrast him to Bloomberg who claimed if Trump has just invested the money his father left him then Trump would have had more money. What that shows is Bloomberg is a fool because solely living to rack up more and more and more money is being an idiot. Trump is intelligent enough to have used his money for his personal goals and not just an endless money chase.
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So he's an intelligent career criminal. He's not the first. And like all the others, it will eventually cost him more than he can pay.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
What you describe is the work of rightwing "think" tanks trying to sell these messages to a mass audience. Not so much a cultural decision.

In any case, such tanks need to be emptied.
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The right wing do not have a monopoly on ignoring the facts.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
You don't get my answer unless you're qualified to handle it.

So go ahead: prove you're qualified enough by explaining what a sanctuary city is.
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I asked my question first. Dodge again...it amuses me watching lefties flail on questions that have factual answers.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Do you deny democrats support sanctuary cities? Say yes.
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I assume they do. Do you know anything about them that isn't just a FoxMoron chyron? You've yet to post anything in this thread that isn't a chyron on Fox.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I assume they do. Do you know anything about them that isn't just a FoxMoron chyron? You've yet to post anything in this thread that isn't a chyron on Fox.
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hahhahha..you assume they do? Leftists are sooo sooo full of ****. No wonder san fran is overflowing with it.
 
AlphaOmega said:
So the poorly educated outsmarted the cerebral types? Seems to me the highly educated should have known about this before the election and done something about it eh?
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Too busy joining in on the academic circle jerk, perhaps?

Too brief?;)
 
AlphaOmega said:
lol...this is the most epic dodge ever! Congrats on not being able to state your position. No wonder lefties shat on the streets of san franciso.
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I'm totally able: you're the one whose position is a complete loss.

Not only do you not know what the definition of a sanctuary city is, you don't even want to bother to find out. (Your compassion for alcoholics, drug addicts, and the mentally ill is touching, too.)
 
Vidi said:
The right wing do not have a monopoly on ignoring the facts.
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Indeed not. But the left wing, as far as I know, never made such a systematic effort to feed misinformation to the masses. Most of the left wing's lunacy that I see discussed around here seems like more of a haphazard backlash.
 
joko104 said:
Only simpletons can see President Trump as unintelligent. Few people alive have had as much success in his goals in life as his life evolved than President Trump. On a personal level he is amazingly brilliant and obviously so.

For example:
When he wanted women, he did beauty contests.
When he wanted to be in the jet set, he had an airline.
When he wanted to be in the yachting world, he had a yacht.
When he wanted to be famous he became one of the most popular television celebrities.
When he wanted his name to be valuable for marketing, he made that happen.
He likes golf and the golfing crowd - so bought golf courses and country clubs around the world.
He is smart enough to never smoke cigarettes, use drugs or become a drunk - why his health at his age is a good as it is.
When he wanted to be president in his old age, he became president - despite EVERYONE saying it was IMPOSSIBLE.

NO ONE who becomes president is not extremely intelligent.

As a measure of PERSONAL success I can't think of a person alive more successful. While a person can debate his ethics or rant of business ventures that didn't work out, those are all just about MONEY - which a lot of people solely live for. He used money to obtain personal goals - not to just get more money. That is intelligent, very intelligent. Most super rich are just addicts to getting more money, nothing else.

Contrast him to Bloomberg who claimed if Trump has just invested the money his father left him then Trump would have had more money. What that shows is Bloomberg is a fool because solely living to rack up more and more and more money is being an idiot. Trump is intelligent enough to have used his money for his personal goals and not just an endless money chase.
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Your comparative analysis is reminiscent of Jordan Peterson's:

 
DifferentDrummr said:
Indeed not. But the left wing, as far as I know, never made such a systematic effort to feed misinformation to the masses. Most of the left wing's lunacy that I see discussed around here seems like more of a haphazard backlash.
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I have seen, displayed in spades, the "simpleton philosophy" writ large. Indeed, prime specimens.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
I'm totally able: you're the one whose position is a complete loss.

Not only do you not know what the definition of a sanctuary city is, you don't even want to bother to find out. (Your compassion for alcoholics, drug addicts, and the mentally ill is touching, too.)
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Dude...you literally refuse to answer if youbsupport sanctuary cities or not. The answer is yes you do. You refuse to answer because that proves you do not support enforcing our borders which you van't actually put in writing.
No idea what your last sentence is referring to. But to clarify...I don't have any compassion for drug addicts or alcoholics at all. They are wastes of oxygen. Mentally ill are a different story. If only you lefties put our tax dollars towards them and not illegals that situation would be a hell of a lot better.
 
NWRatCon said:
I agree, and it comes with a level of anonymity and brazenness that would otherwise be "socially acceptable" in normal interactions. In my view, it comes in two forms: First, the anonymous "deplorables" (of whatever flavor) who couldn't get their letters to the editor published " if they thought your point stupid or ignorant". ...

The second might be called "public anonymity" - I'm not sure the best choice of word here. Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and the like, express radically extremist views daily and nightly, and have an audience for it. ... Their views, however, often show up, unfiltered, on discussion boards, in conversations, and even in presidential tweetstorms.
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In sum, new avenues of communication allow and encourage the transmission of unvetted information. The mediation of professional journalism (and restrictive FCC fairness doctrine/equal time) no longer filters information exchange. And, unfortunately, the laymen's sources of intelligent journalism has economically suffered - vastly shrinking or eliminating Time, Newsweek, Fortune, etc.

While I agree with your initial assertion regarding "deterioration of respect for rational thought in primary and secondary education" - I vehemently disagree with your conception of its cause (I recognize some code language here, intentional or not). You call it "emotive subjectivism" - which is a good enough phrase, but I think aimed at the wrong source.

I started a thread before on what I think is the primary cause of that problem (Is Ignorance of History a Strategy). It's not the "touchy-feelyness" in curricula...(it) is a deliberate effort to "dumb down" education being led by people... to hide their bigoted belief systems. ... It has two components - starve the school system of resources; and inject their idiosyncratic views into curricula. It is behind the rejection of core history and science lessons and the teaching of ancillary experiences (e.g., Native Americans, slaves and former slaves, Chinese immigrants, Hispanics)...in favor of the injections of viewpoint lessons like "creationism" in science classes; and recoding "the Civil War" as "the War between the States" or "The War of Northern Aggression". It includes the elimination of "enrichment" classes - like art and music, advanced education curricula (like international baccalaureate and "AP" classes) and after-school activities. Frankly, conservatives in numerous States have politicized education as a wedge issue and indoctrination opportunity.
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Your viewpoint is popular among liberals, but it is a hasty and ill-considered "explain all" reaction to right wing criticisms. The right-wing complaints are not the primary drivers of education or classroom teachings, they are defensive REACTIONS to an education system that teaches a different value system. But those teachings (and student learnings), there wouldn't be right-wing "outsiders" complaining.

The reality is that the strong majority of teachers are liberals and democrats, undergraduate and graduate schools of education are dominated by liberal educators and education philosophies, and curriculums have increasingly become more liberal since the 1960s.

My time is limited today, but I hope to continue on this last point when I get back. However, the ideological evolution of education was once a subject of study of mine, and I will be more than happy to offer references and more information.
 
joko104 said:
Only simpletons can see President Trump as unintelligent. Few people alive have had as much success in his goals in life as his life evolved than President Trump. On a personal level he is amazingly brilliant and obviously so.

For example:
When he wanted women, he did beauty contests.
When he wanted to be in the jet set, he had an airline.
When he wanted to be in the yachting world, he had a yacht.
When he wanted to be famous he became one of the most popular television celebrities.
When he wanted his name to be valuable for marketing, he made that happen.
He likes golf and the golfing crowd - so bought golf courses and country clubs around the world.
He is smart enough to never smoke cigarettes, use drugs or become a drunk - why his health at his age is a good as it is.
When he wanted to be president in his old age, he became president - despite EVERYONE saying it was IMPOSSIBLE.

NO ONE who becomes president is not extremely intelligent.

As a measure of PERSONAL success I can't think of a person alive more successful. While a person can debate his ethics or rant of business ventures that didn't work out, those are all just about MONEY - which a lot of people solely live for. He used money to obtain personal goals - not to just get more money. That is intelligent, very intelligent. Most super rich are just addicts to getting more money, nothing else.

Contrast him to Bloomberg who claimed if Trump has just invested the money his father left him then Trump would have had more money. What that shows is Bloomberg is a fool because solely living to rack up more and more and more money is being an idiot. Trump is intelligent enough to have used his money for his personal goals and not just an endless money chase.
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It’s easy to buy all those things when your father gives you $400 million dollars.

“...President Donald Trump received at least $413 million from his father over the decades, much of that through dubious tax dodges, including outright fraud.”

NY Times: Trump got $413M from his dad, much from tax dodges
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Indeed not. But the left wing, as far as I know, never made such a systematic effort to feed misinformation to the masses. Most of the left wing's lunacy that I see discussed around here seems like more of a haphazard backlash.
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As a member of the left wing, I wish that were true.

However...

Pardon Our Interruption
 
AlphaOmega said:
Dude...you literally refuse to answer if youbsupport sanctuary cities or not. The answer is yes you do. You refuse to answer because that proves you do not support enforcing our borders which you van't actually put in writing.
No idea what your last sentence is referring to. But to clarify...I don't have any compassion for drug addicts or alcoholics at all. They are wastes of oxygen. Mentally ill are a different story. If only you lefties put our tax dollars towards them and not illegals that situation would be a hell of a lot better.
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Do you support state and local authorities acting outside their jurisdiction?
 
Vidi said:
As a member of the left wing, I wish that were true.

However...

Pardon Our Interruption
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Forgive me if this question seems obtuse, but how does hoaxing a series of specialized, academic journals even come close to attempts to drum up particular sentiment on nationally syndicated radio, much less advance any sort of left wing agenda?
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Forgive me if this question seems obtuse, but how does hoaxing a series of specialized, academic journals even come close to attempts to drum up particular sentiment on nationally syndicated radio, much less advance any sort of left wing agenda?
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It’s not the hoaxing. It’s the academic journals themselves.

We have created an entire field by which we can shift the narrative away from that which is fact based to that which is feeling based.

Yes, the extreme right wing creates fake news, while the extreme left wing is busy creating fake science.

That’s WHY the hoax was successful.
 
maxparrish said:
In sum, new avenues of communication allow and encourage the transmission of unvetted information. The mediation of professional journalism (and restrictive FCC fairness doctrine/equal time) no longer filters information exchange. And, unfortunately, the laymen's sources of intelligent journalism has economically suffered - vastly shrinking or eliminating Time, Newsweek, Fortune, etc.
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I'll start by saying we're in agreement here. (I only noted significant typos in my post after my 20 min window to correct.) I'll comment to the other parts after further consideration.
 
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