A most excellent video on climate and science.

[Renae]

[video=youtube;rEWoPzaDmOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rEWoPzaDmOA&fbclid=IwAR3l 985bWo0jixR2qusofFG8C8j1RKHYRfKadlvWHliTE_Z71mAUTQ lSxLA&app=desktop[/video]

 

[Richard Eastman]

If periodic solar radiation minimum with cooling and reduced agricultural output was expected and someone launched a campaign to reduce CO2 which reduction would tend intensify cooling and crop shortfalls then I would say we are in big trouble.

 

[iguanaman]

 

[Renae]

Wow, you're not a bright one are you?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yes, this is so correct. Without including all knows energies driving the earths heat and chemistry, AGW calculations are a crock of....

 

[Surface Detail]

It looks like BS to me. The video kicks off by claiming that all the papers demonstrating AGW are based on a few (flawed) models. This is simply not true. Many of the papers supporting AGW are in fact studies of palaeontological evidence and not based on models at all. So that's where I stopped watching.

 

[Lord of Planar]

It looks like BS to me. The video kicks off by claiming that all the papers demonstrating AGW are based on a few (flawed) models. This is simply not true. Many of the papers supporting AGW are in fact studies of palaeontological evidence and not based on models at all. So that's where I stopped watching.

This type of model is basically a complex math formula. Is a math problem correct if its missing important variables?

 

[Threegoofs]

[video=youtube;rEWoPzaDmOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rEWoPzaDmOA&fbclid=IwAR3l 985bWo0jixR2qusofFG8C8j1RKHYRfKadlvWHliTE_Z71mAUTQ lSxLA&app=desktop[/video]

I knew you get your scientific knowledge from You Tube videos!

Too bad you can discern the good ones from the bad ones.

 

[Surface Detail]

This type of model is basically a complex math formula. Is a math problem correct if its missing important variables?

Did you not understand my post?

 

[Individual]

Wow, you're not a bright one are you?

I found it humorous after reading and relating the signature,"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
- Voltaire"

 

[Lord of Planar]

Did you not understand my post?

Yes, I completely understood your indoctrinated viewpoint.

What you don't understand is all the CMIP and other models they use, are flawed, and never produce the right outcomes. They produce what they were programmed to produce, and are missing proper values for important variables. They keep changing the models, but not properly, and they are still flawed.

It's time they start modeling in more variables with more accurate quantification.

 

[Tim the plumber]

I found it humorous after reading and relating the signature,"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
- Voltaire"

Today the price of basic food stuff is twice what it would be without the diversion of 40% of US arable production and a similar amount of EU food into biofuel. If we stopped there would be 20 million less deaths by this point next year.

Is that a big enough atrocity?

 

[Surface Detail]

Yes, I completely understood your indoctrinated viewpoint.

What you don't understand is all the CMIP and other models they use, are flawed, and never produce the right outcomes. They produce what they were programmed to produce, and are missing proper values for important variables. They keep changing the models, but not properly, and they are still flawed.

It's time they start modeling in more variables with more accurate quantification.

You clearly either didn't read my post or didn't understand my point, which is that a significant amount of the evidence for AGW does not depend on models of any kind!

 

[Lord of Planar]

You clearly either didn't read my post or didn't understand my point, which is that a significant amount of the evidence for AGW does not depend on models of any kind!

Then how do you quantify it and test for accuracy Sherlock?

 

[ecofarm]

Then how do you quantify it and test for accuracy Sherlock?

The climate denier crew is the most insult ridden clique at the forum.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The climate denier crew is the most insult ridden clique at the forum.

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[ecofarm]

That doesn't answer the question.

It's a comment. I don't have to answer your stupid CT blog dumbass questions. Think I wanna sit around talking with a Truther? Pft. As if.

 

[Individual]

Today the price of basic food stuff is twice what it would be without the diversion of 40% of US arable production and a similar amount of EU food into biofuel. If we stopped there would be 20 million less deaths by this point next year.

Is that a big enough atrocity?

Are you saying we need more than 20 million deaths by this point next year?

 

[Surface Detail]

Then how do you quantify it and test for accuracy Sherlock?

Through observation, calculation and statistical analysis. Elementary, my dear Watson.

 

[longview]

Through observation, calculation and statistical analysis. Elementary, my dear Watson.

So what observation, calculation, and statistical analysis, validated that doubling the CO2 level would result in an ECS warming of 3 C?
The catastrophic prediction are all a result of modeling, applying some feedback factor to the CO2 forcing warming.
Hansen's early work is not text but non OCR images.
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1984/1984_Hansen_ha07600n.pdf
but there is some interesting statements.

It is also clear they are making projections with models.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Are you saying we need more than 20 million deaths by this point next year?

No.

We are causing the deaths of about 20 million people per year as a result of the hype of global warming which is being used to justify all sorts of evils.

 

[Threegoofs]

No.

We are causing the deaths of about 20 million people per year as a result of the hype of global warming which is being used to justify all sorts of evils.

Jesus.

This again?

You've been repeatedly shown that your 20 million figure for people starving because of lack of food is not just wrong, its ludicrous.

And after getting smacked down every couple months, you lay low and then spit up the same mythical figure again and again.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Jesus.

This again?

You've been repeatedly shown that your 20 million figure for people starving because of lack of food is not just wrong, its ludicrous.

And after getting smacked down every couple months, you lay low and then spit up the same mythical figure again and again.

It's not so far fetched.

We used to provide more food to other nations, but less now as it gets more expensive, and corn is crown to excess for fuel.

I will not attempt to quantify the number, but the number could be valid.

Do you have proof showing he is wrong?

 

[Individual]

No.

We are causing the deaths of about 20 million people per year as a result of the hype of global warming which is being used to justify all sorts of evils.

I guess we could look at that as a reduction of more than 400 million metric tons of CO2 each year.

 

[Threegoofs]

It's not so far fetched.

We used to provide more food to other nations, but less now as it gets more expensive, and corn is crown to excess for fuel.

I will not attempt to quantify the number, but the number could be valid.

Do you have proof showing he is wrong?

Oh my god.

Thirty freakin threads on this, including ones you’ve participated in.

I guess it’s Zombie argument week.