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A message everyone needs to hear

Grim17

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This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


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This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


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Is he saying we are cowardly losers if we practice social distancing and wear masks? I watched about half of it and that seemed to be the general gist.
 
This isn't Show and Tell.
 
This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


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I got about three minutes in, its nothing but emotional appeals.
 
This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


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If you watch the whole video you will need to put your politics aside for 8 minutes and 24 seconds.

He makes good points.

We should have either locked down hard for a few weeks or not lock down but mandate stricter mitigations. We are definitely at the point to where you will have to choose what risk you are willing to take. We should focus on getting the numbers down in the hot spots. It's looking like the risk of death is getting less, but there is still the threat of severe illness.

Bottom line, take whatever risks you feel comfortable with but don't be reckless. Be considerate of those around you in the process.
 
Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


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So you don't want people to discuss what you posted...
 
That simple message will not slow the growing demand for ever more "free" stuff to be provided by growing federal government power and expense.
 
That simple message will not slow the growing demand for ever more "free" stuff to be provided by growing federal government power and expense.

If conservatives where not demanding free stuff, all they would have left is playing the victim...
 
When Grim says its a message everyone needs to hear the odds are its not.
 
I got as far as "the number of people not getting surgeries"...hey dumbass, those are elective surgeries, no one is stopping necessary surgeries.

Fail.
 
If conservatives where not demanding free stuff, all they would have left is playing the victim...

Which conservatives, by name, are demanding free stuff?
 
This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


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I know this is hyperbolic, but as conservatives would put it, you can't help those who won't help themselves. You have got to help yourselves here. I don't know what there is left to say when you can't seem to understand you deserve to live and you're lives are worth saving. you are good people, but we can't just stand by and let you do this to yourselves. Freedom comes with responsibility and You have to use your freedom to do good and not evil to one another.

Your country is on the verge of using coronavirus to kill it's own citizens. By its' inaction, it is effectively the deliberate policy of the U.S. government to treat it's own citizens as disposable and that a death toll of over 130,000 American citizens is justified. That's EXACTLY what Conservatives have said they been afraid of for decades, a government sponsored slaughter driven by ideological fanaticism at the expense of U.S. citizens, but you are not doing it to yourselves by your own free will and suddenly that's just fine because it's not "socialism".

Why? Because somehow you now believe "Socialism" is a fate worse than death? That "Socialism" is so bad it's worth killing your fellow Americans to prevent?

Lock down is "socialism". social distancing is "socialism". wearing masks is "socialism". science is "socialism". Listening to Doctors risking their lives to save your own is "socialism". And it's all China's fault because "Socialism" is out to get us. It's everyone faults but our own!

But dying a horrible, agonising death is "freedom"? Having someone shove an incubator down your throat to keep your lungs going is "freedom"? Being a parasite by refusing to take responsibility so you can dependent on others is "freedom"? Paying for private medical care so you can buy people to care about you more than you care about yourself is "freedom"? volunteering to become a corpse so you can fill a mass grave is "freedom"? Voluntarily infecting yourselves, your family, your friends, your co-workers, you're neighbours and risking the lives of everyone you care about is "freedom"? killing yourselves because you value money more than your own lives is "freedom"?

America sent men to the moon and set it's sights on the heaven, to reach for the stars. Now it's crashed back down to earth to send men to their graves. You buried your science and swapped it for "thoughts and prayers". You got to bury your children for your "Freedom" to bear arms, now you're children get to bury you. How far your country has fallen. How much further do you have to dig before you stop and realise you this is the hole you will be buried in?

Please, decide your lives are worth saving before it's too late.

 
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Is he saying we are cowardly losers if we practice social distancing and wear masks? I watched about half of it and that seemed to be the general gist.

No, not at all. He's saying there are risks in life and if you always live your life based on what is safest, your not living at all. There is a world of difference between hiding in your basement, and doing whatever you want and taking zero precautions.

Everything in life is a risk and every choice we make has good and bad consequences. If we try to hide and protect ourselves from every risk (in other words, live our life doing everything we can to prevent our death), we will never be happy and never be fulfilled.

There's more to it than that, which is why it's so important to watch the video from beginning to end. If you don't watch it all, you can't possibly understand his meaning.
 
If you watch the whole video you will need to put your politics aside for 8 minutes and 24 seconds.

He makes good points.

We should have either locked down hard for a few weeks or not lock down but mandate stricter mitigations. We are definitely at the point to where you will have to choose what risk you are willing to take. We should focus on getting the numbers down in the hot spots. It's looking like the risk of death is getting less, but there is still the threat of severe illness.

Bottom line, take whatever risks you feel comfortable with but don't be reckless. Be considerate of those around you in the process.

The very first thing I realized after watching it was, that if you didn't watch it all, you wouldn't understand his meaning.

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If conservatives where not demanding free stuff, all they would have left is playing the victim...

And you just gave an example of the personal attacks I was hoping people would refrain from.

They are unnecessary.
 
And you just gave an example of the personal attacks I was hoping people would refrain from.

They are unnecessary.

I copied the format of another poster, who you did not criticize. Why is that? Also, a comment on a group is not a personal attack. Lern 2 english pls.
 
I copied the format of another poster, who you did not criticize. Why is that? Also, a comment on a group is not a personal attack. Lern 2 english pls.

His comment was directly tied to a portion of what was said in the video, and he did not criticize you or attach his criticism to any specific person or group of people. You specifically went after conservatives and it wasn't necessary.

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This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


.


Eleven seconds in and he's completely full of ****.

Blaming "government" like it's some external entity that acts on its own accord is ridiculous. Government is made of people. When government is ****ty, it's because ****ty people are running it.
 
Only idiots listen to this hypocritical lying POS. Many years ago, even if you disagreed with his opinions, you could stomach him because he was fairly honest. Now he's so far up Trump's a$$, he's lost touch with reality and only serves his master. He lies and defends the Traitor In Chief, that's his only mission anymore, typical cultist....pathetic. So many in the cult have sold their souls for the gaslighter in the white house.

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If you watch the whole video you will need to put your politics aside for 8 minutes and 24 seconds.

He makes good points.

We should have either locked down hard for a few weeks or not lock down but mandate stricter mitigations. We are definitely at the point to where you will have to choose what risk you are willing to take. We should focus on getting the numbers down in the hot spots. It's looking like the risk of death is getting less, but there is still the threat of severe illness.

Bottom line, take whatever risks you feel comfortable with but don't be reckless. Be considerate of those around you in the process.

We've know that for months. Because some of us listen to the doctors.
 
His comment was directly tied to a portion of what was said in the video, and he did not criticize you or attach his criticism to any specific person or group of people. You specifically went after conservatives and it wasn't necessary.

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You are really going all out to excuse your hypocrisy in who you attack.
 
You are really going all out to excuse your hypocrisy in who you attack.

I don't understand. I am not attacking anyone.

Look, I welcome any comments you might have on what was said in the video. I was hoping that a discussion could be had without it devolving into personal and political attacks, but that's not something I have any control over. It was just a request and it's up to you and others who post to decide whether it's something worthy of complying with.

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Eleven seconds in and he's completely full of ****.

Blaming "government" like it's some external entity that acts on its own accord is ridiculous. Government is made of people. When government is ****ty, it's because ****ty people are running it.

I think most governments are ****ty! Many people who enter government are corrupt. I think even well intended people eventually become corrupted by government.Is it possible to reach a high level position in the government without doing something that goes against your morale principles? Do you trust a governing body in which 50% always vote one way while the other 50% vote the other?

They're all ****ty people even the ones you think are good. The truly good people either don't run for office or don't last long. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
This is the right message at the right time.

Put your politics aside for 5 minutes and just listen to what this man has to say. I truly believe it's important for everyone to hear.



Whether you agree with him or not, it would be nice for a change if we could discuss this without the typical personal attacks on the source or each other.


.


I am willing to discuss this issue and I will do it based on my own experience. I do not need a video of someone's else's opinion to make my point.

I have to start with one of life's basic rules. None of us is perfect. There is no perfection ever found in humanity, which means that if you look at anyone, at any approach, at any endeavor you will always find something that is good and something that is bad. We are on earth to learn and to learn from our mistakes and even then, usually we only learn for our benefit and not for the benefit of others.

Another basic that exists is that normally we are first for ourselves and then for others, no matter who it is. People like Mother Teresa are the exception and not the rule.

Why do I say all of this? because big government and little government both have their pros and cons. Neither is better than the others, just different. One thing about big government which is a general positive is that since there are more people involved in the decisions being made, there is little chance that evil will stick out. By the same token, there is also little chance that big good will come out. Big government is the "middle road" where the extremes are not involved. Small government is just the opposite. If the leaders are good and have intelligence and good hearts, much good will come of it. On the opposite side, if the leaders are bad, much bad will come of it.

In the video you provided, the person is talking about "taking risk" and allowing things to happen in order to get the most that life can offer but that can be done by the each person by himself. We don't ever want others to decide if taking a risk for "us" is the thing to do. It has to be an individual decision based on each persons character and not as a decision made for all by others.

The other thing about big government versus small government is that there is a lot less safety for the nation with little government, and I do mean in every day life. This is clearly seen in many countries right now where people are at risk daily of their own homes being ransacked and the people killed, businesses being put on a "vacuna" basis (meaning individual protection payments where the bad people (like the mafia) protect you if you pay but also they themselves attack you if not). Small government also allows anarchy to flourish and anarchy means everything is ruled by the powerful and those not powerful often pay dearly and even with their lives. Putting your life at risk is only a decision each individual must take for themselves and not leave it to others.

The thing is that by human nature alone, people tend to follow the wrong path as greed is much more prevalent than the idea of sacrificing oneself for others. That means that also by nature, we need to have others protect us because more people are weak and defenseless than those that are strong and confident.

Having said all of this, I believe big government is the lesser of two evils, both of which exist in life whether we want it or not. Evidently, a strong and confident individual wants less government because they have the ability to defend themselves and prosper but there are many more that can't that those than can. In reality, we all need to coexist because when we allow the strong to rule, we will see a return to those past times where the weak were killed and very little was accomplished because other than slaves existing to do all the jobs that the strong do not want to do, there would be no one to do those jobs. If only the strong survived and there were no slaves, who would clean, who would till the fields, who would dump the garbage, who would do the serving at restaurants, tellers at the banks, bus drivers, and so on and so forth. In that respect, the weak are as important as the strong and with small government, that would not be guaranteed, in fact likely the opposite.

The way to go for any group in general is the middle road. Within that middle road, there is room to for some to go to the extreme but with "some" (but not a lot) of impediments/controls. If there is one thing I have learned in my life is that generally extremes are bad, at least extremes from the point of view of everyone being at the extremes. A few being on the extreme can bring some advancement but also some drawbacks but that is called progress.

In short, I do not agree with the person on the video
 
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