A Medical provider: To my republican friends. Screw you. To my democrat friends.. screw you too

[ultmd]

Good Lord, you seem to have the attention span of a small child. Our exchange went like this:

You:The insurance industry operates with the largest profit margins of any player in the American health system.
Me: Evidence please
You: Absolutely, <but only after you answer my previous questions that you've been dodging>
Me: <you continue to deflect and dissemble rather than accept the challenge and ANSWER my original questions>
You: :lamo <I laugh at you and note, yet again, how utterly feckless you are when it comes to backing up the empty-headed, ideology-based opinions you try to pass off as "facts" on this board

There you go, AOC. Pay attention to the bolded words. I fixed your original dishonest remarks for you.

Let me know you're ready to answer my original questions. As always, I'm ready and EAGER to do my part, in return.

No, I'm just asking a simple question which you refused to answer. If you're not going to back up your assertions or answer basic questions, then why are you on political debate forum?

:lamo
Wrong. You are "just" running like a stuck pig from my questions. Everyone reading this thread sees that. And, like most alt-right types, you are brazenly hypocritical enough to expect respect without earning any. Now, either answer my original questions, or hush up about yours. I think it's obvious that you WON'T answer mine...because you CAN'T. And it's quite funny to see you struggle to dodge that reality here.

We pay mechanics to fix cars and we pay doctors and nurses to fix sick/injured people. Human life is bought and paid for every day, just ask anyone who has received a bill from an American hospital.

Classic right-wing "logic". Lemme guess....you're in sales, of some sort, right? You sell "widgets" for a living, right?

Only uneducated rightwingers equate health and human life with the value of an inanimate "widget" such as a car.

Why is it ok for hospitals to profit off of sick and dying people, but not health insurance companies? Even non-profit hospitals make big profits:

7 of 10 Most Profitable Hospitals Are NFPs | nonprofit, hospital, profit, tax, revenue HealthLeaders Media

:lamo:lamo:lamo

The answer to your question, my angry friend, is simple: BECAUSE WE HAVE A FOR-PROFIT, PRIVATE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM in the U.S. "Non-profit" status is not what people like you think it is.
All it really means is that (in exchange for not paying federal and state taxes) profits must be spent on the organization and must be used up every tax year, but cannot be doled out in dividends
But you have unwittingly JUST articulated the case against the private health care/health insurance system in this country. You should also note that the Pharmaceutical companies' profits rank even higher than those of the insurance companies. Those of us in healthcare understand that Doctors and Hospitals are at the mercy of the insurance companies and drug companies who are the gait-keepers of the for-profit. The simplest way to say that is this: The people who actually provide health care to the public are at the mercy of the companies that are responsible for paying for those services.

Yea, I have, and I don't see anything under article 1, section 8 granting congress the power to operate large welfare programs.

Really? Are you sure you've read it, as opposed to (perhaps) listening to some talk-radio host describe it to you? You don't see "anything" empowering Congress to collect taxes, pay debts, provide for common Defense and GENERAL WELFARE of the country ANYWHERE there? There are entire legal classes devoted to the "Welfare Clause" portion of the. U.S Constitution...right there in Art 1, Sec 8. This is just a silly argument on your part. The question of whether the Welfare Clause of the US Constitution permits "large welfare programs" was settled, once and for all, by U.S vs Butler in 1936. You should do some more reading.

When you put words in double quotation marks it means that I wrote them verbatim. I did not write the words you quoted. You don't have to know the "true market value" of something to know that the price is grossly and artificially inflated.

You're STILL running from my simple question. Your claim is that "Virtually every person who works in a US hospital" is paid "way above their true market rates". That was a totally baseless, ignorant lie. I've challenged you (what, a half-dozen times now??) to back it up with ANY kind of credible sourcing...and you can't do that. As in the above response, you just deflect and dissemble, like a typical, uneducated ideologue.

 

[ultmd]

Once again showing that you're incapable of following a simple argument for more than one post. The bold part is so weird I don't know how you came up with it, but to answer your question, they don't.

More dumb double-talk from you. You're trying to equate the "market rates" for health care professionals and workers in economies across the world, with those of the U.S. That's just dumb. And that is only compounded by the many other completely baseless arguments that you've been unable to back up in this thread. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Here's the bottom line for you: You're a blind ideologue, and your arguments reflect that reality. Like a lot of people like you, your views tend to be emotional, rather than objective. So when challenged to back them up, you dodge, deflect and dissemble. In other words, you are pretty helpless when it comes to defending yourself around here. That's what happens when you alt-right types attempt to migrate over to DP from the alt-right rabbit holes you come from.

 

[bluesmoke]

Other countries have different root causes of the costs of health care. You guys are ok with providers having to pay huge costs for healthcare but then stiff them on their payments. That system can't work. We have to decrease the costs that providers have to pay.

And among the cost in control are that of medical equipment, drugs, administration and provider payments, all of which are “root” causes of increased health care cost in the US. Lowering the cost of the first three mentioned above will lower what providers have to pay. Saying “that system can’t work” sounds rather like socio-cultural excuse to not do the right thing that lowers healthcare cost while assuring everyone in America is given adequate health service. You don't even bother to say what those "different" root causes are to support your claim of "that system won't work". Fact-less reply post.