A male backlash against #MeToo is brewing

[Lursa]

Women who can only identify as victims hurt the rest of women who want accountability all around. Women like this are a disgrace and endanger us all.
Muchas gracias for nothing.

LOL....types a victim :mrgreen:

Women do want accountability all around. Just another specious, unsupported claim from you. According to you, women coming forward now, after years of fear, hoping to protect other women by their actions...are a disgrace :roll:

What is your solution then?

 

[Acadia]

The truth is what gives satisfaction....something you'll have to discover on some other subject apparently.

Hmm...why haven't you actually read the NYT article on Weinstein? I wonder why that is??
Enjoy your bliss, and thanks for hurting women everywhere.

 

[Acadia]

LOL....types a victim :mrgreen:

Women do want accountability all around. Just another specious, unsupported claim from you.

What is your solution then?

I bet you're a big Roman Polanski fan, like your Hollywood elites, right?
I bet you thought Harvey Weinstein was a fine human being, like Michelle Obama, and a 'god' like your vaunted Meryl Streep.
Any woman who can make excuses for the above should tear up their woman card:twocents:

 

[Lursa]

Hmm...why haven't you actually read the NYT article on Weinstein? I wonder why that is??
Enjoy your bliss, and thanks for hurting women everywhere.

Dont post things you cant back up. I'm still waiting. Look how butt-hurt you've gotten just over being owned on the Internet? And then imagine women being groped and disrespected sexually years ago...living with that inside...and see how you're acting like more of a victim than they are! :lamo

thanks for hurting women everywhere

"What? You cant masturbate on planes anymore? Thanks Osama bin Laden"

:lamo :lamo I'm sorry, that's how funny your comment was, it reminded me exactly of that line from The Hangover.

 

[Lursa]

I bet you're a big Roman Polanski fan, like your Hollywood elites, right?
I bet you thought Harvey Weinstein was a fine human being, like Michelle Obama, and a 'god' like your vaunted Meryl Streep.
Any woman who can make excuses for the above should tear up their woman card:twocents:

You look ridiculous with your fantasy speculation. Just attacking me...not discussing the issue.

And I've never made a single excuse for 'the above' so now you even seem delusional.

(Psssst...how can I be defending women AND Weinstein at the same time? :lamo And pedophiles! Yowzaa your level of discourse has really bottomed out)

 

[Fishking]

You are misstating the situation, in an absurd way. The issue wasn't 'rape' it was But CSU-Pueblo initiated an inquiry into their forbidden relationship, which violated an informal rule about physical trainers dating athletes.

After someone else reported a sexual assault. I know reading is difficult.

 

[Bodi]

Such as?

Who has been falsely accused? Apparently there's "many".
Care to list some names?

Trump...

 

[Dragonfly]

Trump...

:lamo

 

[What if...?]

Should? Yes.
Are they? Not really. At least not for the past tens-of-thousands of years.

Maybe it'll be "both" once the vast majority of men realize they can't get away with "boys will be boys" type behavior anymore.

I know a guy who did six years as a child molester because his mentally ill step daughter accused him of molesting her because he WOULDN'T sleep with her. She recanted years later when she was doing the Steps.

That's not OK.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The Females need to get on the right side of history here as well.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Companies are limiting travel between genders, men are talking about segregation of the sexes.



Dress 'em up in a burka and have them escorted at all times by a chaperone. And have them walk several feet behind the men, so that there will be no question that there was no illicit physical contact. That's the ticket. What a wonderful career boost that will be.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/a-male-backlash-against-metoo-is-brewing/

That's exactly what strong and confident women wanted to avoid all along.

The backlash isn't only coming from men -- it's also coming from women who already realize that the MeToo movement is marginalizing them.

When the MeToo women play the "Chick Card" they're playing it from a position of weakness. The movement is counter to women's equality and we're only starting to see the tip of the backlash beginning right now.

 

[HowardBThiname]

I know a guy who did six years as a child molester because his mentally ill step daughter accused him of molesting her because he WOULDN'T sleep with her. She recanted years later when she was doing the Steps.

That's not OK.

This same thing happened to a small town Chief of Police a decade or so ago in the middle of his divorce when his step daughters accused him of touching them. He was convicted and went to prison. A couple of years later when the oldest girl turned 18, she came back (they'd moved away) and explained that their mother had instructed them to lie -- and they did. The guy got out of prison, but his life was ruined. I never heard that his ex was ever charged with anything.

 

[Serenity]

Companies are limiting travel between genders, men are talking about segregation of the sexes.



Dress 'em up in a burka and have them escorted at all times by a chaperone. And have them walk several feet behind the men, so that there will be no question that there was no illicit physical contact. That's the ticket. What a wonderful career boost that will be.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/03/a-male-backlash-against-metoo-is-brewing/

I've lost count of the times I've rolled my eyes here when someone has used a "Talibornagain" description to describe specific views. Based on the comments above though, that description actually fits in this instance. I guarantee you that no backward imbecile will ever force me to wear a burka and walk several feet behind the men or tell me who I can or can not travel with.

 

[Dragonfly]

I know a guy who did six years as a child molester because his mentally ill step daughter accused him of molesting her because he WOULDN'T sleep with her. She recanted years later when she was doing the Steps.

That's not OK.

What in ever lovin' god is your point????

Did ANYONE say such a thing as that is "okay"?

 

[Dragonfly]

The Females need to get on the right side of history here as well.

Please tell us, which "side" is the "right side"?

 

[Absentglare]

The AAU study that most people get the 1 in 4 number from is laughably flawed, and includes a warning from the people who composed the study that it is neither representative nor complete. To quote HuffPo on what an accurate headline about that study would look like:



The actual Bureau of Justice statistics reflect much lower numbers. I recommend starting with Rape and Sexual Assault Victimization Among College-Age Females, 1995–2013. Their numbers are reflective of young women, both in and out of college, and it a picture roughly one order of magnitude less abhorrent than the "1 in 4" number out of the horribly misused AAU study. The other Bureau of Justice studies are, of course, important for understanding the full picture, but this one reflects the most targeted age group.

I also checked the citation behind the 1 in 6 number, and found a survey from 1998, which RAINN presents "for educational purposes only." They also said that the number of victims of rape and sexual assault has likely increased drastically, even though their Bureau of Justice sources indicate that both have been decreasing drastically. Again, I point to the college-aged women study which found a decrease of approximately 63% in the last 2 decades of rape & sexual assault.

In summary, it appears that RAINN includes two faulty and unreliable studies for the express purpose of making scary-sounding statistics for attention - literal memes, designed to spread faster & more virulently than the more accurate, yet boring information provided the BoJ studies.

Roughly 1 in 40 is frightening enough of a number without resorting to the use of painfully flawed studies.

LOL you're just ignoring ALL rape that isn't reported to the police, and then pretending that your favored numbers aren't painfully flawed.

 

[Absentglare]

Oh the victimhood! And as yet...unproven. It's like the anti-gun people screaming there would be blood in the streets if concealed carry was allowed (15 yrs ago)...and yet...never happened, instances are very rare.

The goal of MeToo is to bring awareness to how prevalent sexual abuse and harassment are in our society and to enable women to feel safer in coming forward to report it.

It is a starting point to STOP it and to get justice through the proper channels.


What other solution do you suggest that wont "unfairly punish men?"

Apparently we're supposed to believe that we can bring justice to women who are raped without punishing men who are accused of rape.

And we have to be very careful not to punish any men because 1 in 5 women suffer some form of sexual assault and about one in 500 men suffer some form of false allegation.

 

[Absentglare]

...Well ****. I looked up "CDC rape study" and ended up finding a later version of the survey. I just kind of figured the questions used in the study would be the same. I now understand why RAINN has not used the updated study on their citations page.

I need to reevaluate this subject.

Bickering over the "exact" numbers is ultimately irrelevant. If only one woman were raped in the US, she would still deserve the same measure of justice and understanding as if there were a hundred million. It's ultimately an exercise in hubris.

Making false reports is its own crime. We don't fix false reports by intimidating women who report rape, that's cowardly and complete bull****.

 

[Lursa]

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What other solution do you suggest that wont "unfairly punish men?"

Apparently we're supposed to believe that we can bring justice to women who are raped without punishing men who are accused of rape.

And we have to be very careful not to punish any men because 1 in 5 women suffer some form of sexual assault and about one in 500 men suffer some form of false allegation.

Yeah and I never get any reasonable solutions to that question either.

The status quo (pre-MeToo) is perfectly fine for many men. Go figure :roll:

 

[What if...?]

What in ever lovin' god is your point????

Did ANYONE say such a thing as that is "okay"?

I was responding to our conversation.

If I was mistaken I apologize.

But it sounded like you said that you'd care about the wrongfully accused after all the guilty ones were punished. When balance was restored. To my point that the victims AND the wrongfully accused should be protected. In the interest of justice.

Personally, I've dealt with domestic abusers twice. The old fashioned way. Before force monopoly.

You gather a bunch of her male friends. Get him alone. Inform him that if he touches her again you're gonna put him in the hospital. Worked both times. They just left.

And if I catch somebody raping somebody they'll be lucky to be alive when the cops get there.

I worry the Me Too movement can go too far. Not that the problem shouldn't be dealt with.

 

[jghiretire]

Women have shut up and sucked it up for YEARS. A friend of mine started collecting #MeToo stories. Out of a core group of 20 women, she got 50 stories. Not all of them are physical abuse - some are inappropriate "suggestions" in the workplace. Some are lewd propositions from family members. Whether the stories are physical abuse, rape or just uncomfortable "encounters".
Men need to stop be excused for sh*tty behavior and women need to speak out more.

Women have not always reported assault or abuse because it's been a "man's world". If the boss abuses you, sure you can quit. What if you have 3 kids and no husband?? Do you think it's that easy to just "get another job?" You want to keep your good job?? You may have to shut up and take it. Don't be fooled - it happens to men too - by other men.

The next time you want to call a woman a femi-nazi?? Stuff a sock in it. It hasn't happened to you.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

 

[jghiretire]

There are a myriad of reasons why women don't report and I'm not sure that has any bearing on ensuring that the #metoo movement doesn't unfairly punish men, which is a real danger to the underlying premise of #metoo.
I think it's reasonable to hit the "pause" button and figure out how to use the momentum and awareness to create a codified system of offenses and "punishment".

Butt grabs are simply not the same as rape.

Are you ok with your butt being grabbed?? It still shouldn't happen.

 

[Acadia]

Are you ok with your butt being grabbed?? It still shouldn't happen.

Was my point that I was or was not OK with my butt being grabbed, or was my point that butt grabbing is not on the same level as rape?

 

[HowardBThiname]

Are you ok with your butt being grabbed?? It still shouldn't happen.

I'm not okay with it -- but I would certainly explain that to the person who grabbed it instead of crying about it from the rooftops. I mean -- let's be honest -- a butt-grab is not a crime. It might get a guy slapped, however.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Please tell us, which "side" is the "right side"?

Justice