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A good article on Truman wrongly using nuclear weapons

Bolster what defenses? Are you kidding? They were putting up little resistance at that point. The war was over. Give them what they wanted....no war crimes for the imperial family....and they would have signed the peace treaty. We gave them that anyway.


Those bombs were a message to russia.

Defenses to a ground invasion. You know... the same kind of things the Brits were doing in 1940. Training militias, booby traps, etc.. Things that would have increased the cost when we actually decided to invade... 2 weeks later, 2 months later, maybe 2 years later.
 
Bolster what defenses? Are you kidding? They were putting up little resistance at that point. The war was over. Give them what they wanted....no war crimes for the imperial family....and they would have signed the peace treaty. We gave them that anyway.


Those bombs were a message to russia.

Why would Truman be anti Russia in 1945?
 
Why would Truman be anti Russia in 1945?

Everyone could see that after the war the world would only have two superpowers. Truman wanted to send a message to russia that we were the big dogs on the street now
 
Defenses to a ground invasion. You know... the same kind of things the Brits were doing in 1940. Training militias, booby traps, etc.. Things that would have increased the cost when we actually decided to invade... 2 weeks later, 2 months later, maybe 2 years later.

No ground invasion would ever have been needed.
 
Who dies by sitting on your ship and waiting? Japan was no real threat

You are not defending Japan so much as you are defending a very protracted war. Truman dropped bombs for a very good reason, and it worked. A good deal of time, I do not agree with what Democrats do. Consider my support of Truman a short term victory.
 
Everyone could see that after the war the world would only have two superpowers. Truman wanted to send a message to russia that we were the big dogs on the street now

Truman did not think in that fashion. And at the time the Soviets were our good friends.
 
You are not defending Japan so much as you are defending a very protracted war. Truman dropped bombs for a very good reason, and it worked. A good deal of time, I do not agree with what Democrats do. Consider my support of Truman a short term victory.

The finest military leaders in the world at the time disagree
 
Though the country of Russia is vast, the population there is not very large. And they had no way to carry out an invasion of the USA. Even today, Russia can't invade the USA.
 
Years ago I watched this analysis by Bill Whittle on the dropping of the bombs.



16 minutes long, and it eviscerates every argument I've ever read on why the US shouldn't have dropped the bombs.

It may be an unpalatable truth in the minds of anti-war absolutists, but any objective examination of the topic can only conclude that dropping the bombs was necessary, timely, and wise, and surely saved millions of lives on both sides.

Mr. Whittle's analysis also covers why dropping the bombs at the precise times they did, in the precise locations they did, and in the manner they did, were the right decisions.
 
Years ago I watched this analysis by Bill Whittle on the dropping of the bombs.



16 minutes long, and it eviscerates every argument I've ever read on why the US shouldn't have dropped the bombs.

It may be an unpalatable truth in the minds of anti-war absolutists, but any objective examination of the topic can only conclude that dropping the bombs was necessary, timely, and wise, and surely saved millions of lives on both sides.

Mr. Whittle's analysis also covers why dropping the bombs at the precise times they did, in the precise locations they did, and in the manner they did, were the right decisions.


The greatest military minds at the time disagree with his assessment
 
Sure... just as soon as you give me a citation on the Japanese Government pre-Hiroshima peace overtures.

In June, the Emperor lost confidence in the chances of achieving a military victory. The Battle of Okinawa was lost, and he learned of the weakness of the Japanese army in China, of the Kwantung Army in Manchuria, of the navy, and of the army defending the Home Islands. The Emperor received a report by Prince Higashikuni from which he concluded that "it was not just the coast defense; the divisions reserved to engage in the decisive battle also did not have sufficient numbers of weapons."[42] According to the Emperor:

I was told that the iron from bomb fragments dropped by the enemy was being used to make shovels. This confirmed my opinion that we were no longer in a position to continue the war.[42]

On June 22, the Emperor summoned the Big Six to a meeting. Unusually, he spoke first: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily studied and that efforts made to implement them."[43] It was agreed to solicit Soviet aid in ending the war. Other neutral nations, such as Switzerland, Sweden, and the Vatican City, were known to be willing to play a role in making peace, but they were so small they were believed unable to do more than deliver the Allies' terms of surrender and Japan's acceptance or rejection. The Japanese hoped that the Soviet Union could be persuaded to act as an agent for Japan in negotiations with the United States and Britain.[44]


Surrender of Japan - Wikipedia
 
The greatest military minds at the time disagree with his assessment
The greatest military minds in Japan at the time, interviewed ex post facto, claimed that dropping the bombs was the right thing to do. Mr. Whittle quotes them in the clip.

The Japanese generals knew that every foot of land the US et al. claimed on that island would be paved in human blood. If any American "greatest military minds at the time" disagreed, it was surely due to ignorance or hubris. These may well be the parents of the "greatest military minds at the time" that argued Vietnam would be a cakewalk, and the grandparents of the "greatest military minds at the time" that insisted the war in Iraq and Afghanistan would be won in two shakes of a lamb's tail.

Watch the clip. Point out any statements you dispute. I'm a reasonable man.
 
The greatest military minds in Japan at the time, interviewed ex post facto, claimed that dropping the bombs was the right thing to do. Mr. Whittle quotes them in the clip.

The Japanese generals knew that every foot of land the US et al. claimed on that island would be paved in human blood. If any American "greatest military minds at the time" disagreed, it was surely due to ignorance or hubris. These may well be the parents of the "greatest military minds at the time" that argued Vietnam would be a cakewalk, and the grandparents of the "greatest military minds at the time" that insisted the war in Iraq and Afghanistan would be won in two shakes of a lamb's tail.

Watch the clip. Point out any statements you dispute. I'm a reasonable man.

I have already posted my references. Read them or not
 
In June, the Emperor lost confidence in the chances of achieving a military victory. The Battle of Okinawa was lost, and he learned of the weakness of the Japanese army in China, of the Kwantung Army in Manchuria, of the navy, and of the army defending the Home Islands. The Emperor received a report by Prince Higashikuni from which he concluded that "it was not just the coast defense; the divisions reserved to engage in the decisive battle also did not have sufficient numbers of weapons."[42] According to the Emperor:

I was told that the iron from bomb fragments dropped by the enemy was being used to make shovels. This confirmed my opinion that we were no longer in a position to continue the war.[42]

On June 22, the Emperor summoned the Big Six to a meeting. Unusually, he spoke first: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily studied and that efforts made to implement them."[43] It was agreed to solicit Soviet aid in ending the war. Other neutral nations, such as Switzerland, Sweden, and the Vatican City, were known to be willing to play a role in making peace, but they were so small they were believed unable to do more than deliver the Allies' terms of surrender and Japan's acceptance or rejection. The Japanese hoped that the Soviet Union could be persuaded to act as an agent for Japan in negotiations with the United States and Britain.[44]


Surrender of Japan - Wikipedia

So no concrete overtures were actually made? Not even to Switzerland, Sweden or the Vatican? Maybe the Western Allies wouldn't have heeded them, maybe not... never know until you try, right?
 
So no concrete overtures were actually made? Not even to Switzerland, Sweden or the Vatican? Maybe the Western Allies wouldn't have heeded them, maybe not... never know until you try, right?

Glad you agree the war was over. Japan knew it and and our military leaders knew it too. Thats why they said so
 
Of course not. He "liberated" them from capitalism, right?



FDR was practically begging Stalin to seize territory from Japan after he knew they were willing to surrender to us. He is therefore personally responsible for all the millions of Chinese slaughtered by Mao, and for the ongoing oppression of the North Koreans. Ditto for Soviet crimes in Eastern Europe.

He was far and away the most evil person to ever be President of the United States. Of course a Marxist like you would support him.

Given what Koreans went through under Imperial Japan, “liberation” is an apt term.....but the overwhelming majority of the liberating was done by the Western Allies, primarily the US....as I said before.

Allied high command wanted the Soviets to open up a another front against the Japanese just as Stalin had wanted a second front against the Nazis a few years earlier. Every Japanese soldier tied down in Manchuria was another one who wouldn’t be in the Home Islands preparing for the Allied landings. This is basic military strategy bud.

FDR is responsible for the KMT being corrupt and incompetent, losing the support of their people and losing the war? How so? Much like Tito, Mao seized power on his own two feet. He wasn’t placed in power by the soviets.

Surprise surprise, the fascist “nationalist” thinks the man who brought down his heroes is evil. How...typical :lol:
 
Then drop the bombs. See.....we are in agreement

So why wait? Seriously... if there was a concrete reason to wait - if they had made a credible peace overture to anyone that had a chance of being accepted, I can see the reason to wait. But I can't understand waiting just for the sake of waiting. If I were Truman and you advised me to just blockade Japan and sit on our asses, my first question would be "Why should we do that?"... what are you going to say to that? "Well, they might decide to surrender on their own, Mr. President...". "Is there anything to support that belief? Have any of our embassies received any overtures?"... "Well, no...".... "Well, that's your answer then..."
 
So why wait? Seriously... if there was a concrete reason to wait - if they had made a credible peace overture to anyone that had a chance of being accepted, I can see the reason to wait. But I can't understand waiting just for the sake of waiting. If I were Truman and you advised me to just blockade Japan and sit on our asses, my first question would be "Why should we do that?"... what are you going to say to that? "Well, they might decide to surrender on their own, Mr. President...". "Is there anything to support that belief? Have any of our embassies received any overtures?"... "Well, no...".... "Well, that's your answer then..."

Why wait in any war? Why not nuke Afghanistan and iraq in the beginning of their wars? Why not always just use nukes now?

These are real questions
 
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