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A good article on Truman wrongly using nuclear weapons

Jredbaron96 said:
No, it's recorded facts.



Toland, John. The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945 (Modern Library War) . Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Recorded where exactly?



All I see is his opinion
 
AliHajiSheik said:
We’re they really the greatest? Who says they are the greatest? Victory can be the best deodorant.


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We can certainly have that debate. There is little debate they knew the most of the issues we are discussing
 
vegas giants said:
Where is the quote recorded? Who said his cheeks glistened with tears?
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Toland cited IMTFE documents #57670 (Admiral Soemu Toyoda), #60745 (Yasumasa Matsudaira), #61883 (General Yatsuji Nagai), #61636 (Yasumasa Matsudaira), #62049 (“The Unpublished Record on Termination of the War, Kept by the Japanese Navy General Staff”), #61481 (Shunichi Matsumoto), #61475 (Marquis Kido), #53437 (Admiral Zenshiro Hoshina), #59496 (Colonel Makoto Tsukamoto), #55127 (Kiichiro Hiranuma);

Which can be found here: The International Military Tribunal for the Far East | Digital Collection
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Toland cited IMTFE documents #57670 (Admiral Soemu Toyoda), #60745 (Yasumasa Matsudaira), #61883 (General Yatsuji Nagai), #61636 (Yasumasa Matsudaira), #62049 (“The Unpublished Record on Termination of the War, Kept by the Japanese Navy General Staff”), #61481 (Shunichi Matsumoto), #61475 (Marquis Kido), #53437 (Admiral Zenshiro Hoshina), #59496 (Colonel Makoto Tsukamoto), #55127 (Kiichiro Hiranuma);

Which can be found here: The International Military Tribunal for the Far East | Digital Collection
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I doubt any say his cheeks glistened with tears.


Even so it means nothing. All that matters is what the emperor thinks
 
vegas giants said:
We can certainly have that debate. There is little debate they knew the most of the issues we are discussing
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How did they know theses issues that you folks are discussing? Most weren’t in theater or in other theaters. They did not have access to as much information of the inner workings in Japan as we know today.


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vegas giants said:
I doubt any say his cheeks glistened with tears.
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Are you denying that Anami insisted on continuing the war even after the atomic bombing?

Even so it means nothing. All that matters is what the emperor thinks
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Your dodge is noted. But to clarify, are you saying that the Emperor's comments on 9 August 1945 are what matters?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Are you denying that Anami insisted on continuing the war even after the atomic bombing?



Your dodge is noted. But to clarify, are you saying that the Emperor's comments on 9 August 1945 are what matters?
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What I am saying is if the emperor was offered no war crimes he would have surrendered.


Your evidence is from a guy that wants to sell books.


You will notice none of my quotes say....Nimitz screamed in rage with violence in his heart. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
What I am saying is if the emperor was offered no war crimes he would have surrendered.


Your evidence is from a guy that wants to sell books.


You will notice none of my quotes say....Nimitz screamed in rage with violence in his heart. Lol
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There was no communication between the Japanese and the Americans. Certainly no Japanese ever told an American that they would surrender if the Emperor got immunity.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
How did they know theses issues that you folks are discussing? Most weren’t in theater or in other theaters. They did not have access to as much information of the inner workings in Japan as we know today.


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What? They knew more about the war than anyone. They made their statements well after the war and saw all this stuff.


Even the army did a study in 1945 and said we did not need the bomb.


All of those are wrong????
 
vegas giants said:
What? They knew more about the war than anyone. They made their statements well after the war and saw all this stuff.


Even the army did a study in 1945 and said we did not need the bomb.


All of those are wrong????
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Yeah.

I can say that because today we have decades of research and study to back it up.
 
swing_voter said:
There was no communication between the Japanese and the Americans. Certainly no Japanese ever told an American that they would surrender if the Emperor got immunity.
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Yet we gave it to them anyway. Why not offer it?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Yeah.

I can say that because today we have decades of research and study to back it up.
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At the time truman needed to make a decision.


He should have listened to his generals.



I am not trying truman based on evidence found 50 years later
 
vegas giants said:
Every American knew he wanted it
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Can you please provide a link to that?


If you told me the Americans thought they had already given him immunity, I would believe you.

The Potsdam Declaration implied that the Emperor could keep his job. Doesn't that imply that he would have immunity?
 
swing_voter said:
Can you please provide a link to that?


If you told me the Americans thought they had already given him immunity, I would believe you.
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You think no one thought the emperor would prefer not to hang from a rope? Lol
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Truman's decision was very much based on a desire to avoid heavy casualties.
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According to the greatest military minds this country has ever known.....he made the wrong one
 
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