A few interesting reactions to trump pulling out of the Paris Accord

[Slingshot Bob]

Do you have anything to say about the U.S. pulling out of the Paris Agreement except for "yay Trump!" Do you know what the Paris Agreement is? Do you know where Paris is?

First, it's a good thing. Second, yet another campaign promise kept, for you libs to chicken little over. Third, you are a troll, no breaking news there....

 

[Jetboogieman]

You do realize the US is helping China with their belt initiative?

In what way exactly?

 

[Cardinal]

I suppose since he's got Steve Bannon and Scott Pruitt advising him, it's not all that shocking.

Kind of saw this coming with Pruitt being head of the EPA, he's militant anti-EPA, it's his cash cow shtick. Guy's a true believer like the rest of the nutty faithful. He's well spoken though and has good sophistry skills, he could sway Trump to just about anything I suspect.

Trump isn't who he is because he's around Pruitt and Bannon. Bannon and Pruit are there because Trump is who he is.

 

[katzgar]

Do you have anything to say about the U.S. pulling out of the Paris Agreement except for "yay Trump!" Do you know what the Paris Agreement is? Do you know where Paris is?

no he does not

 

[Grand Mal]

First, it's a good thing. Second, yet another campaign promise kept, for you libs to chicken little over. Third, you are a troll, no breaking news there....

Sooo... Yay Trump! MAIA!

 

[JackA]

France, Germany, Italy say Paris climate accord can’t be renegotiated



https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html

I have a feeling we're about to be "Brexited" on a global scale, by which I mean that in order to create or conduct future trade deals with international partners, we'll probably have to abide by their environmental standards.

Also:

Justin Trudeau‏:



The wording here is not especially subtle. The Prime Minister of Canada sees leaving the Paris Accord not as the will of the American people, but as an action by Trump in defiance of the American people. And he would be correct. While Trump's base is willfully ignorant, they're still in the minority.

Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

Which brings us to...

Cuomo Joins California, Washington State Governors To Launch United States Climate Alliance



https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html

These are some of the largest economies in the United States, and California is well known for setting economic trends for the rest of the country.

It's possible Trump may find himself more isolated as a result of leaving the Paris Accord than he expected for. But then, he made the decision out of malice rather than for any deeper economic consideration, so that's hardly surprising.

It's where we are. Trump could pull out of NATO too if he could, and the faithful would agree. He could call for a Constitutional Convention to muzzle the press he hates, and the faithful would agree. But he's more limited than he might think. He has a leash on the federal government but not on the country. He's widely unpopular and disliked. A backlash in the states and cities against the Paris withdrawal began as soon as he announced it. He's grossly incompetent and personally crude, which every day undermines his administration and his standing in the country and the world.

What's especially bothersome is the arrogance of the ignorance that cheers this decision. You would never guess from listening to these smug people that the science is solidly against them and that their society is alone in the developed world in refusing to accept the reality of climate change.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

no he does not

Of course not, i'm just an ignorant, uncultured conservative. Glad I could help you and your pals feel better about yourself.

The Parris accord was just a way to fleece America. No wonder the Obama worshippers support it.

 

[katzgar]

Of course not, i'm just an ignorant, uncultured conservative. Glad I could help you and your pals feel better about yourself.

The Parris accord was just a way to fleece America. No wonder the Obama worshippers support it.

Bingo nailed it right on the button

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Of course not, i'm just an ignorant, uncultured conservative. Glad I could help you and your pals feel better about yourself.

The Parris accord was just a way to fleece America. No wonder the Obama worshippers support it.

I fail to see America as a "victim" of this.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

I fail to see America as a "victim" of this.

Much like any international deal, America gets to pay more than anyone, kinda like NATO.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Bingo nailed it right on the button

Your such a sage, nice rebuttal.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Much like any international deal, America gets to pay more than anyone, kinda like NATO.

Maybe because we are so powerful it is necessary that our contributions match our size.

 

[Slingshot Bob]

Maybe because we are so powerful it is necessary that our contributions match our size.

It would be interesting to see an assessment of the ratio. I suspect, even adjusting for that, we pay more.

 

[Mr Person]

France, Germany, Italy say Paris climate accord can’t be renegotiated



https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html

I have a feeling we're about to be "Brexited" on a global scale, by which I mean that in order to create or conduct future trade deals with international partners, we'll probably have to abide by their environmental standards.

Also:

Justin Trudeau‏:



The wording here is not especially subtle. The Prime Minister of Canada sees leaving the Paris Accord not as the will of the American people, but as an action by Trump in defiance of the American people. And he would be correct. While Trump's base is willfully ignorant, they're still in the minority.

Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

Which brings us to...

Cuomo Joins California, Washington State Governors To Launch United States Climate Alliance



https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html

These are some of the largest economies in the United States, and California is well known for setting economic trends for the rest of the country.

It's possible Trump may find himself more isolated as a result of leaving the Paris Accord than he expected for. But then, he made the decision out of malice rather than for any deeper economic consideration, so that's hardly surprising.

I think the worst thing about this is that even if I'm insane and Trump is 100% on all his policy shifts - I'm not and he isn't - we are destroying our credibility in the long term. Why in the precise **** are our allies, neutrals, and enemies going to listen to us or follow us if we can only be trusted for four years (or in Trump's case, until he gets mad at CNN)? Why? The Paris accord wasn't enforceable, but people were starting to play ball voluntarily, because of our previous push for it and trust of us to stick to what we say.

He does this, he ****s on Germany because he doesn't know what NATO is, he praises a dictator who has had thousands murdered on mere accusation and in fact condoned extrajudicial killings to that end, he doesn't care that Putin tried to influence our election and NATO allies' elections, on and on and on.

And on and on and on.

And on.




We're rapidly losing credibility. Presidents have always changed course to some extent, but I do not recall such a complete deliberate assault on everything established by the last President, especially in regards to international relations. We'll have no credibility if it keeps going at this rate. Sadly, Trump will be cheered on, because the people who support him apparently think America outweighs the rest of human civilization.

 

[reinoe]

I think the worst thing about this is that even if I'm insane and Trump is 100% on all his policy shifts - I'm not and he isn't - we are destroying our credibility in the long term. Why in the precise **** are our allies, neutrals, and enemies going to listen to us or follow us if we can only be trusted for four years (or in Trump's case, until he gets mad at CNN)? Why? The Paris accord wasn't enforceable, but people were starting to play ball voluntarily, because of our previous push for it and trust of us to stick to what we say.

He does this, he ****s on Germany because he doesn't know what NATO is, he praises a dictator who has had thousands murdered on mere accusation and in fact condoned extrajudicial killings to that end, he doesn't care that Putin tried to influence our election and NATO allies' elections, on and on and on.

And on and on and on.

And on.




We're rapidly losing credibility. Presidents have always changed course to some extent, but I do not recall such a complete deliberate assault on everything established by the last President. We'll have none if it keeps going at this rate. Nobody is going to trust us to stick to anything. Sadly, Trump will be cheered on, because the people who support him apparently think America outweighs the rest of this cold rock.

I will never forget Dutarte calling Obama the son of whore and how he was openly reaching out to China because Obama was such a two faced weakling.

 

[Parrish]

I will never forget Dutarte calling Obama the son of whore and how he was openly reaching out to China because Obama was such a two faced weakling.

I also won't forget 45's praise of a despot who bragged of murdering his own citizens and sanctioning rape during martial law.

 

[Perotista]

France, Germany, Italy say Paris climate accord can’t be renegotiated



https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html

I have a feeling we're about to be "Brexited" on a global scale, by which I mean that in order to create or conduct future trade deals with international partners, we'll probably have to abide by their environmental standards.

Also:

Justin Trudeau‏:



The wording here is not especially subtle. The Prime Minister of Canada sees leaving the Paris Accord not as the will of the American people, but as an action by Trump in defiance of the American people. And he would be correct. While Trump's base is willfully ignorant, they're still in the minority.

Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

Which brings us to...

Cuomo Joins California, Washington State Governors To Launch United States Climate Alliance



https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html

These are some of the largest economies in the United States, and California is well known for setting economic trends for the rest of the country.

It's possible Trump may find himself more isolated as a result of leaving the Paris Accord than he expected for. But then, he made the decision out of malice rather than for any deeper economic consideration, so that's hardly surprising.

I don't know how this will work out. Whether it was wise or stupid. I do know that presidents make agreements with other nations. But unless that presidential agreement goes through the process of ratification by congress, the senate in case of treaties. It is just an agreement between the president who made the agreement and the other side or end of the agreement. Not necessarily the United States agreeing to it, for that to happened congress would have to ratified it.

This is like Nixon's agreement with then President Thieu of South Vietnam. Nixon agreed with Thieu that if Thieu signed the Paris Peace Pact, that if North Vietnam violated it, the United States would come to South Vietnam's aid. A presidential agreement like former President Obama agreement with this Paris Climate thing. Neither was ratified by congress and neither had the effect of being a treaty where the United States had obligations to fulfill under that treaty.

The obligation of the Paris Climate agreement rested with former President Obama's administration and only with his administration as it lacked the required congressional approval. Any future president could still abide by it or ditch it. Such wouldn't be the case as a treaty would or something where congress gave its approval via legislation. Getting congressional approval, ratification, if that had happened, Trump wouldn't have been able to withdraw without congressional approval and action.

Another short term political gain during the Obama administration gone haywire. Much like the short term political gain achieved by Senator Harry Reid and his first use of the nuclear option. Both are having long term and perhaps dire consequences.

 

[Mach]

It would be interesting to see an assessment of the ratio. I suspect, even adjusting for that, we pay more.

Let's take a look:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

The goals are set by the U.S. We can set them to whatever we like.
Furthermore, no matter what goals we set, we are not required to meet those goals, it's voluntary.

Do you find that odd Slingshot? That it was voluntary, set by the U.S.? And no teeth to bind us other than shame? Did Trump communicate that well you think? Did he make the right call, really?

The contribution that each individual country should make in order to achieve the worldwide goal are determined by all countries individually

the 'contributions' themselves are not binding as a matter of international law, as they lack the specificity, normative character, or obligatory language necessary to create binding norms.[19] Furthermore, there will be no mechanism to force[20] a country to set a target in their NDC by a specific date and no enforcement if a set target in an NDC is not met.[18][21] There will be only a "name and shame" system

On 1 June 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the agreement,[9][10] leaving only three of the world's nations outside the formal agreement – the US, Syria, and Nicaragua.
191 signed, 148 ratified (includes China and India). U.S. - withdrew.

Why did we withdraw? Scott Pruitt is an evangelical bought and paid for operative for big energy. Money Slingshot...but not the better future for the world kind of money, just the short term big energy company kind.

 

[reinoe]

Maybe because we are so powerful it is necessary that our contributions match our size.

So then China and India would have made much greater contributions than the U.S., is that right?

 

[gdgyva]

no he does not

I will be serving a nice brie...

gotta have some cheese with all this whining going on in here

omg....the other countries will just have to have a deal without the US and China

lets see if they really want to pony up the costs....

nothing is keeping them from securing the deal....NOTHING

except their common sense and lack of our federal dollars

 

[Kobie]

First, it's a good thing. Second, yet another campaign promise kept, for you libs to chicken little over. Third, you are a troll, no breaking news there....

Wow, you really knocked that one out of the park. Nothing of substance. Well, I guess that's to be expected.

Do you have any ideology other than "F U, libs"? Asking for a friend.

 

[Kobie]

It's in here:

Oh you meant Paris, France; not Paris, Texas. :2razz:

There is a Paris, NY, as well. Pretty sure there's a Paris in almost every state.

 

[katzgar]

I will be serving a nice brie...

gotta have some cheese with all this whining going on in here

omg....the other countries will just have to have a deal without the US and China

lets see if they really want to pony up the costs....

nothing is keeping them from securing the deal....NOTHING

except their common sense and lack of our federal dollars

I havent been a fan of the Paris Accord but if someone from Texas is against it I am going to have to rethink that.

 

[azgreg]

There is a Paris, NY, as well. Pretty sure there's a Paris in almost every state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_(disambiguation)#United_States

United States[edit]

Paris, Arkansas, a city
Paris, Idaho, a city
Paris, Illinois, a city
Paris, Indiana, an unincorporated community
Paris, Iowa, an unincorporated community
Paris, Kentucky, a city
Paris, Maine, a town
Paris, an unincorporated community in Green Charter Township, Michigan
Paris, Mississippi, an unincorporated community
Paris, Missouri, a city
Paris, New Hampshire, an unincorporated community
Paris, New York, a town
Paris, Portage County, Ohio, an unincorporated community
Paris, Stark County, Ohio, an unincorporated community
Paris, Oregon, an unincorporated community
Paris, Pennsylvania, a census-designated place
Paris, Tennessee, a town
Paris, Texas, a city
Paris, Virginia, an unincorporated community
Paris, Wisconsin (disambiguation), several Wisconsin localities
Paris Township (disambiguation), several US localities
Beresford, South Dakota, a city formerly called Paris
Loraine, California, an unincorporated community formerly called Paris
Paris Mountain, South Carolina - see Paris Mountain State Park
Paris Mountain, Virginia

It's Wikipedia so you know it's accurate.