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91-year-old man beaten with brick, told 'go back to Mexico'

jmotivator said:
I don't think that is true at all. The issue is that the rage is more ready on the left, and their rage is more readily blamed on Trump, which gives the illusion of disparity between Obama and Trump. The only disparity is in the response and the coverage.

You are likely slow to blame Obama for the extent of the damage of the rioting during his watch, but his rhetoric definitely helped fuel it... along with the compliant media, and leftist agitators.
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Of course the rage is going to be on the left, that's how division works. More and more the right will do little to critique itself and just offer blind support, more and more the left (and pretty much anyone in the middle/independent) will get upset with the direction things are going. When the R flips to the D, we'll see the same actions on the different sides. That's the danger of they hyperpartisan bullcrap. It's just an excuse for more. And while we didn't see a whole lot of right-wing violence during Obama (most because Obama, for as bad as he was, didn't quite inspire it), if Trump is replaced by a D, and that D cannot start to fix the issues of the divide, we're likely to see it. Particularly if that D plays to the split instead of tries to fix it.

We need to get rid of the Trump like people. We need someone more akin to Reagan, someone with the capability of reaching across the isle and pulling people in closer. We cannot regain reason and rational, intelligent behavior while playing to the hyperpartisan split.
 
Moot said:
The president sets the tone for the nation...like a tribal leader sets the tone for the village. Soon the whole country will speak and act just like Trump. Sad.
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EXACTLY! When has the President spoken out about the growing and often violent bigotry and racism in America? What has he done to address the problem?

Trump's base is rife with bigots. Hell, white nationalists are coming out of the woodwork to run for office. Trump has Stephen Miller whispering in his ear, and it isn't about equality.

Bottomline: Trump will not publicly address racism and bigotry, he will not address discrimination in America because he is a bigot, and more, it will piss off his base. Racism, bigotry and discrimination are red meat for the Trump cult.
 
Ikari said:
And the Right as well. We can clearly see them as sheeple, following the R wherever it goes. Trump has deepened the wedge between The People like none before him have, the Republic will suffer for it and it's not just because what the left is doing.
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Actually Trump supporters kicked the Establishment GOP to the curb.
 
American said:
Actually Trump supporters kicked the Establishment GOP to the curb.
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Not really. Trump was just the other side of the Corporate-State coin, hobnobbing with politicians for decades. They didn't "kick the establishment to the curb", they just elected a louder, less controllable variant of it.
 
Ikari said:
Not really. Trump was just the other side of the Corporate-State coin, hobnobbing with politicians for decades. They didn't "kick the establishment to the curb", they just elected a louder, less controllable variant of it.
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Sure, that's why he gets so much lockstep cooperation. :roll:
 
j-mac said:
Any rational person would see that the division, incivility, and devolving of society began long before Trump.
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Is Trump's "leadership" reducing the bigotry, the vitriol and the violence? How? I don't see it. From what I see he tacitly approves of it.
 
American said:
Sure, that's why he gets so much lockstep cooperation. :roll:
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Someone posted something like 90% of the Republicans support Trump. Pretty lockstep.

Plus he got begrudging support, there wasn't an all out coup in the GOP over Trump. Even Ryan swallowed his pride to work with Trump. The GOP aimed to try to control some of the crap coming out of the White House, but there's not much control of Trump. But it's mostly the same Big Government, Corporate-State, Big War game the Republocrats had been playing. Only this time, there's no brakes.

The "Establishment" will grin and bear it. They have, at most, like 6 more years then he's gone and then they can continue forth with their slightly more controlled descent.
 
Ikari said:
Of course the rage is going to be on the left, that's how division works. More and more the right will do little to critique itself and just offer blind support, more and more the left (and pretty much anyone in the middle/independent) will get upset with the direction things are going. When the R flips to the D, we'll see the same actions on the different sides. That's the danger of they hyperpartisan bullcrap. It's just an excuse for more. And while we didn't see a whole lot of right-wing violence during Obama (most because Obama, for as bad as he was, didn't quite inspire it), if Trump is replaced by a D, and that D cannot start to fix the issues of the divide, we're likely to see it. Particularly if that D plays to the split instead of tries to fix it.

We need to get rid of the Trump like people. We need someone more akin to Reagan, someone with the capability of reaching across the isle and pulling people in closer. We cannot regain reason and rational, intelligent behavior while playing to the hyperpartisan split.
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I'll take another Reagan, or even a Jimmy Carter over theses latest 5 clowns.


41 - 45 all sucked.
 
First thing that came to mind when I saw the headline was, "I bet this happened in California" - and lo and behold. What is this? The 3rd or 4th of these stories to come out of there recently?
 
Ikari said:
It depends. Some of what the tea party did was quite loud, obnoxious, and disrupting, which is where a lot of the left side "activism" had previously lived. But they never quite captured the same magnitude of obnoxious protesting like OWS and such. And certainly they weren't like Antifa, Antifa changed the game with their "let's just beat up everyone" mentality.
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I don't think they were out for that, but ok....

I think that it's well clear that what I said is true. Obama didn't do much to unite, but he didn't do as much as Trump to divide. I don't think anyone can objectively state Trump is not the most divisive president in modern times.
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We've already established that we disagree about that, and laid out why...so, typing it again why? To make yourself feel better? what?
 
j-mac said:
We've already established that we disagree about that, and laid out why...so, typing it again why? To make yourself feel better? what?
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Sure, why not? Need to restate facts when others try to push some fantasized narrative.
 
Moot said:
No, but they're a lot more open about it....especially, white female Trump supporters. I'm adding this one to the list...



White woman calls police on Black Starbuck customers.

White woman calls police on Black family having a BBQ in public park.

White woman calls police on AirRNB Black customers.

White woman calls police on little Black girl selling water.

White woman calls police on Black boy mowing lawn.

White woman calls police on Black legislator campaigning in neighborhood.

White woman physically and verbally assaults Black teens at community swimming pool with racist tirade .

White woman physically and verbally assaults two Black female soldiers in restaurant parking lot with racist tirade.

White woman verbally assaults Black family celebrating birthday at Black Flags with racist tirade.

White woman verbally assaults Asian American veteran during California traffic jam with racist tirade.

White woman verbally assaults minorities in Walmart with racist tirade.

White woman verbally assaults Hispanic man with racist tirade.

White woman verbally assaults Black reporter with racist tirade.

White woman verbally assaults black passengers on bus with racist tirade.

White woman violently assaults 91 year old Hispanic man with a brick.​


And that's just in the last couple of months or so.
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Uh huh.

Borjas, a 35-year-old Los Angeles resident, watched the child’s mother — a black woman — push the elderly man to the ground and repeatedly bash him in the face with a concrete brick while yelling, “Go back to your country.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-back-to-your-country/?utm_term=.f378ef2c87ad
 
trixare4kids said:
Yeah, just awful that you couldn't really get your white people are racist against Mexican immigrants off the ground.
Sad face :(
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Please link to where I posted anything about white people being racist.
 
trixare4kids said:
Yeah, just awful that you couldn't really get your white people are racist against Mexican immigrants off the ground.
Sad face :(
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It takes a lot more hot air to get that balloon off the ground. I think Schiff may have cornered that market just keeping his head afloat. Maxine Waters has been forced to resort to methane as a result.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Strange for such reports, the race of the attackers is usually mentioned...but not in this case. I wonder why?

Here is another report posted today (07/10/18):

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/07/10/91-year-old-man-beaten-with-brick/

Again, no mention of the alleged race of any of the attackers, although we already have a Forum member claiming they must be "Trumpist" xenophobes. This despite the fact, according to the victim, the men thought he was trying to abduct a child. We don't know why the woman acted as she did initially, we are informed she told the men were he was abducting her child, and the allegation is the attack occurred because the woman thought he was an illegal immigrant.

While this incident is bad, and the gentleman seems to have been an innocent victim...I would like to see more evidence of the incident before committing to a blanket "hate crime" scenario.

BTW, who was videoing him without helping him up? That seems fairly insensitive to me.
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Well, I just saw a photo of the kid, mom, etc. It's apparently clear why their race was not mentioned (they aren't white).

It's a shame the guy was attacked (that is reprehensible to begin with) but the media (and the left) essentially playing the game by hiding the race of the perpetrators so they can pretend it's Trump related is a frigging dishonesty that is crazy.
 
trixare4kids said:
And you posted a random story about violence against a Mexican in breaking news just why?
There are thousands of stories like these out there... why this one?
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If it were a white person you know exactly how they would have titled it.

However, the more appropriate title is: Black racists attack elderly legal immigrant and tell him to go back to Mexico

But no lefty would ever be that honest...
 
Ikari said:
Of course the rage is going to be on the left, that's how division works. More and more the right will do little to critique itself and just offer blind support, more and more the left (and pretty much anyone in the middle/independent) will get upset with the direction things are going. When the R flips to the D, we'll see the same actions on the different sides. That's the danger of they hyperpartisan bullcrap. It's just an excuse for more. And while we didn't see a whole lot of right-wing violence during Obama (most because Obama, for as bad as he was, didn't quite inspire it), if Trump is replaced by a D, and that D cannot start to fix the issues of the divide, we're likely to see it. Particularly if that D plays to the split instead of tries to fix it.

We need to get rid of the Trump like people. We need someone more akin to Reagan, someone with the capability of reaching across the isle and pulling people in closer. We cannot regain reason and rational, intelligent behavior while playing to the hyperpartisan split.
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Well, no, that isn't how division works. Look at the protests under Obama against Obama's policies... how may destroyed buildings, burned homes and businesses? The country was very divided then too, but the difference is that the conservatives aren't as prone to violence as a method of protest as the left is.
 
It's really a shame that Obama's "leadership" failed to reduce the bigotry, vitriol and violence that is rife among his base.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, no, that isn't how division works. Look at the protests under Obama against Obama's policies... how may destroyed buildings, burned homes and businesses? The country was very divided then too, but the difference is that the conservatives aren't as prone to violence as a method of protest as the left is.
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Except for Charlottesville, Parkland, Santa Fe High, Annapolis, that Waffle House in TN...
 
jmotivator said:
Well, no, that isn't how division works. Look at the protests under Obama against Obama's policies... how may destroyed buildings, burned homes and businesses? The country was very divided then too, but the difference is that the conservatives aren't as prone to violence as a method of protest as the left is.
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How many were there? The majority violence in that case wasn't so much against Obama, I think the biggest areas where we saw that was reactions against police shootings. There were some big protests, things like OWS, though those largely didn't revolve around violence and arson. And of course, we didn't see violence and clashes of this magnitude during Bush's years. Which if it's really just the left being the left, then they should have been just as violent then as now.

"Conservatives aren't as prone to violence", I'm not exactly sure that's the case. I think that in terms of political angst, we haven't seen such division since the Civil War. We haven't seen something on the level of antifa coming from the far-right just yet, but far-right violence does occur. If the Dems get someone in, and that individual plays to the divisions, we may see some right-wing violence start to crop up.
 
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