9 men thrown off Ryanair flight for shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’

[Brochacholomigo]

Touched a nerve there.

I apologize for that.

 

[ecofarm]

link to the last Christian stoning......lets compare Christian and Muslim stoning last 20 yrs shall we?

When in our limited world, geographically and otherwise, Christianity was the convenient excuse, it was popular. In today's global world, where we actually get news from the other side so to speak, Islam is the convenient excuse.

Kings, dictators, tyrants large and small all use the convenient excuse (Christianity, Communism, whatever). That doesn't mean the Bible, or Quran or any other object, physical or abstract, forced them to commit criminal acts.

 

[ecofarm]

I'm all good with not blaming an entire group for one person's actions, but there is a world of difference between an object and an ideology. Furthermore, the "don't blame ideology or religion" slogan is flawed from the very get-go. Here's a few examples!

Do you think those Nazis killed 14 million innocent people in concentration camps because they were Nazis (Godwin mother****ers)?

Do you think those Stalinists killed over 20 million dissidents in the gulags because they were Stalinists?

Do you think those Wahhabi Islamists rejected scientific thought in the Muslim world in favor of religious zealotry because they were Wahhabi Islamists?

Do you think those Aztecs sacrificed thousands and thousands of people to the sun because they were Aztecs?

Groups share common traits and behavios. That's one of the most basic concepts of sociology. Sure, groups are abstract, and of course, not every member of a group matches the criteria that group is defined by perfectly, but that doesn't mean that these... "social objects" are no more responsible than a table or a tool in affecting the members of said "social objects."

Are we going to see a #NotAllNazis movement soon? Are you and the rest of the grammar relativists going to champion the cause of German supremacy now, to make sure that people don't erroneously ascribe the bad behavior of a few bad apples to the Nazi movement as a whole?

See #52.

 

[Mason66]

When in our limited world, geographically and otherwise, Christianity was the convenient excuse, it was popular. In today's global world, where we actually get news from the other side so to speak, Islam is the convenient excuse.

Kings, dictators, tyrants large and small all use the convenient excuse. That doesn't mean the Bible, or Quran or any other object, physical or abstract, forced them to commit criminal acts.

Nobody ever said forced.

They chose to use the text of a religious book to justify their actions, but that doesn't change the fact that those books exist and they do say what these people say it does.

 

[ecofarm]

Nobody ever said forced.

They chose to use the text of a religious book to justify their actions, but that doesn't change the fact that those books exist and they do say what these people say it does.

Not to justify their actions, to rationalize their actions. The rationalization was needed and the convenient excuse was made.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

See #52.

Do groups not have shared characteristics influenced by their membership? Are these shared characteristics not a fairly useful tool for establishing a few general traits of any given group member?

 

[ecofarm]

Do groups not have shared characteristics influenced by their membership? Are these shared characteristics not a fairly useful tool for establishing a few general traits of any given group member?

Communism forced Stalin to use gulags? Racist Nationalism forced Hitler to use concentration camps?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Communism forced Stalin to use gulags? Racist Nationalism forced Hitler to use concentration camps?

No, but communism and racist nationalism certainly helped them get millions of people to follow their orders.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Nine men have been thrown off a Ryanair flight for allegedly shouting “Allahu Akbar” and claiming to carry bombs, which they later said was a “joke.”

Well that sounds like the kind of joke that could get you kicked off a plane. And probably charged with a crime.

 

[ecofarm]

No, but communism and racist nationalism certainly helped them get millions of people to follow their orders.

It was a convenient excuse. Neither forced anyone to do anything.

 

[holbritter]

Nine men have been thrown off a Ryanair flight for allegedly shouting “Allahu Akbar” and claiming to carry bombs, which they later said was a “joke.” The group was removed from the Madrid-bound flight before it took off from Zaventem Airport, Brussels early Saturday.

https://www.rt.com/news/401834-ryanair-passenger-arrest-brussels/

Just a joke! Ban them from EVER flying on ANY airline.


If this happened in the US, the ACLU would likely begin efforts to sue the air carrier for “Islamophobia” and for being “raciss”.

No they wouldn't. Here, it's a crime to do what they did and they would be charged with inducing a panic.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

link to the last Christian stoning......lets compare Christian and Muslim stoning last 20 yrs shall we?

Christians in Ghana just stoned a woman to death on the advice of their priest...

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Witch-stoned-to-death-by-family-543360

The fact is, the Christian faith is just as brutal as Islam. The only reason the people of the west don't engage in barbarity because of their religion, is separation of church and state. Which the various churches constantly fight against in order to implement their bogus morals as legislation. Over time, since separation of church and state, Christians have started taking the bible less literally. They may say, "The bible is truth, every word of it, I follow the Bible." But if you ask them why they haven't stoned their sister who is a wiccan to death. Or their brother who is a farmer that plants two crops, and works on sunday. Or a group of children that make fun of the elderly. They clam up.

Because western Christians don't believe every word of the bible. They've lost the kind of faith they had 200 years ago. Islam in the east hasn't. Neither has Christianity in the east. Trying to paint Christians as more moral for not following the precepts of their holy book, while they are claiming absolute devotion is absurd. They are just being hypocritical. Hopefully, countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Ghana will adopt separation of Church and State. Until they do, they're practicing their faith as it is prescribed to them in their holy book. No different from us before we implemented separation of church and state. Because news flash, Salem was a tiny part of the Witch trials in that time period. It shouldn't even be called Salem Witch trials as they had only a few compared to other regions in the US and Europe at the time. It was that brutality that led our founding fathers to deism, and ideas like Church and State separation. Deists, not Christians, is the reason Christians in the west are not stoning people to death. And I don't doubt that should the federal government fail, Christians in the west will be going back to biblical law. No doubt at all. At first it will be hellfire and brimstone preachers claiming the end of the world because the government failed, they'll take over scared communities. And over time they will implement harsher and harsher punishments for anyone that opposes them. Claiming it's god's will.

Muslims are not worse than Christians, they are just in a different stage of development. They could turn it around in one generation, they could get worse. Which do you think is more likely if we continue to demonize them for their faith while claiming to adhere to our own, when we are not. Because last I checked, the bible has a lot more to say about women teachers than gay marriage. Yet we aren't yanking kids out of their classrooms citing religious reasons. The bible has more to say about Usury than gay marriage. Yet it's the Christian base that is enabling usury to the greatest degree, electing people that want to deregulate the finance industry, and cut taxes to the top.

Christians like the idea of Christianity, just not the practice. And they can't handle other faiths that walk the walk, while they are just talking. Which is why they demonize them for the same **** they were doing, and some are still doing, a couple hundred years to go. Which is not a long time, it's just a few generations. And myself, as a deist, would love to see religion removed from every government in the world. I would love to see a world with no honor killings, or witch executions. I just don't think it's something you can force on every culture. You get to much push back, otherwise known as terrorism. You got to lead by example, and mix the cultures. We will only achieve our goals through spreading our culture peacefully with acceptance, tolerance, and forgiveness. Ironically, it's the Christian faith that taught me that, while at the same time its people of the Christian faith who are doing anything but that.

 

[Moot]

Who gets drunk at 7 AM in the morning to catch a flight?

Walloons?

The group of nine were identified as Walloons...an ethnic minority in S. Belgium of French Germanic descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons


Do Muslims even drink alcohol?

I would think a Muslim terrorist would've waited at least until the flight was in the air to yell Allah Akbar....not while the plane is still loading with passengers.

 

[JANFU]

Who gets drunk at 7 AM in the morning to catch a flight?

Walloons?

The group of nine were identified as Walloons...an ethnic minority in S. Belgium of French Germanic descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons


Do Muslims even drink alcohol?

I would think a Muslim terrorist would've waited at least until the flight was in the air to yell Allah Akbar....not while the plane is still loading with passengers.

Me- drank all night- went to bed at 6 - got up at 7 went to work- and I was in the Military. And yes i worked my ass off

 

[JANFU]

Who gets drunk at 7 AM in the morning to catch a flight?

Walloons?

The group of nine were identified as Walloons...an ethnic minority in S. Belgium of French Germanic descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons


Do Muslims even drink alcohol?

I would think a Muslim terrorist would've waited at least until the flight was in the air to yell Allah Akbar....not while the plane is still loading with passengers.

Yes, many do, yet around fellow Muslims they may not
Had a Muslim friend who only drank when he was out of the country.

 

[Mason66]

Not to justify their actions, to rationalize their actions. The rationalization was needed and the convenient excuse was made.

Nobody supplied the excuse for them. The Muslims using their holy book to commit murder themselves will tell you they are following the book to the letter.

Why would you not believe these people when they tell you why they do it?

 

[Nickyjo]

Nine men have been thrown off a Ryanair flight for allegedly shouting “Allahu Akbar” and claiming to carry bombs, which they later said was a “joke.” The group was removed from the Madrid-bound flight before it took off from Zaventem Airport, Brussels early Saturday.

https://www.rt.com/news/401834-ryanair-passenger-arrest-brussels/

Just a joke! Ban them from EVER flying on ANY airline.


If this happened in the US, the ACLU would likely begin efforts to sue the air carrier for “Islamophobia” and for being “raciss”.

No they wouldn't. Get real.

 

[Tigerace117]

Islam is the second largest religion in Belgium. You're right. We don't know that they were. But it is certainly not unreasonable to dislike people who behave in this manner. If, in your minds, that makes one racist against Belgiums, Islam or Muslims, then so be it. The problem is yours.

But there doesn't seem to be any actual proof that these people were Muslim, other than the fact that they were drunkenly shouting Allahu Ackbar. Which, of course, is a phrase anyone can say, not just Muslims

 

[Deuce]

Their punishment should have been allowing them to remain on board their RyanAir flight, but lawyers have suggested this might qualify as torture under the Geneva Convention.

 

[Removable Mind]

Well for your info disliking Muslims is not racist!

Bigoted, maybe?

 

[PoS]

Who gets drunk at 7 am in the morning to catch a flight?

I doubt they slept, I bet they were drinking all night and into the morning. Ive done that a few times, but never to catch a flight. The one time I boarded a plane drunk was because I just left a wedding reception- first time I ever used the barf bag on the plane too. :mrgreen:

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Who gets drunk at 7 AM in the morning to catch a flight?

Walloons?

The group of nine were identified as Walloons...an ethnic minority in S. Belgium of French Germanic descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons


Do Muslims even drink alcohol?

I would think a Muslim terrorist would've waited at least until the flight was in the air to yell Allah Akbar....not while the plane is still loading with passengers.

by their faith it is forbidden. But in Indonesia you can get a doctor's note to allow it

 

[Kobie]

Islam is the second largest religion in Belgium. You're right. We don't know that they were. But it is certainly not unreasonable to dislike people who behave in this manner. If, in your minds, that makes one racist against Belgiums, Islam or Muslims, then so be it. The problem is yours.

Yeah, second-largest ... at a whopping five percent of the population.

 

[Kobie]

But there doesn't seem to be any actual proof that these people were Muslim, other than the fact that they were drunkenly shouting Allahu Ackbar. Which, of course, is a phrase anyone can say, not just Muslims

Shhh, don't interrupt them while they get their hateboner on for anyone who's ever touched a Koran.

 

[PoS]

Yeah, second-largest ... at a whopping five percent of the population.

People who have never been to Europe and listen to right wing news all think that there's hordes of Muslims every 50 feet and a mosque in every block, but having been there I can tell you thats not the case- Muslims are a very small portion of the population and are heavily outnumbered by local Europeans. I've seen more Africans, Filipinos, Indians/Pakistanis and tourists in my time going over there than any Muslim types.