9 men thrown off Ryanair flight for shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’

[MaggieD]

I doubt they were even Muslims. According to this story it was a Belgian man and his 8 friends who were all drunk...

Bomb squad called after man shouts 'Allahu Akbar' on Ryanair flight - getting him and his friends thrown off | The Independent

You believe their behavior was a result of being Muslim?

How do you know they were Muslims and not just some rowdy Belgium tourists?

Islam is the second largest religion in Belgium. You're right. We don't know that they were. But it is certainly not unreasonable to dislike people who behave in this manner. If, in your minds, that makes one racist against Belgiums, Islam or Muslims, then so be it. The problem is yours.

 

[ecofarm]

Islam is the second largest religion in Belgium. You're right. We don't know that they were. But it is certainly not unreasonable to dislike people who behave in this manner.

Let's presume they are Muslims. Do you believe their behavior was a result of being Muslim?

 

[MaggieD]

Let's presume they are Muslims. Do you believe their behavior was a result of being Muslim?

I don't claim to know the workings of anyone's mind.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Disliking these PARTICULAR Muslims certainly isn't racist.

What makes you think that they were (drunk?) Muslims and not simply pranksters trying to cause some serious mayhem?

Spokesperson for the Halle-Vilvoorde region, Carol Vercarre, said the passenger was presumably under the influence of alcohol “and wanted to make a funny joke.”

“Despite the fact that we suspect that the passenger would never perform his threat, we can’t take this lightly,” Vercarre added.

 

[ecofarm]

I don't claim to know the workings of anyone's mind.

If they were sports fans, chanting a cheer, should one conclude their behavior is a result of their sports affiliation?

 

[joG]

Let's presume they are Muslims. Do you believe their behavior was a result of being Muslim?

Or it was kkk kids roaring drunk and having a childishly great time of it?

 

[joG]

Let's presume they are Muslims. Do you believe their behavior was a result of being Muslim?

This seemes to be the case in parts of Europe.

 

[ecofarm]

Or it was kkk kids roaring drunk and having a childishly great time of it?

Their behavior would be a result of being in the kkk?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Their behavior would be a result of being in the kkk?

Screw it, I'm biting. The Muslims are saying Allahu Ackbar because they're Muslims, the sports fans are cheering because they're sports fans, and the KKK members are, well, they're also saying Allahu Ackbar, because they're... in the KKK, I guess. Weird.

Regardless, what is the point you wanted to make about this theoretical causation?

 

[Roadvirus]

They should have been shot.

They're lucky they weren't. In the US, they probably would have.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Screw it, I'm biting. The Muslims are saying Allahu Ackbar because they're Muslims, the sports fans are cheering because they're sports fans, and the KKK members are, well, they're also saying Allahu Ackbar, because they're... in the KKK, I guess. Weird.

Regardless, what is the point you wanted to make about this theoretical causation?

Ignoring the reality that the men were drunk Belgians............... Muslims are BaaaaaD! MMkay?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Ignoring the reality that the men were drunk Belgians............... Muslims are BaaaaaD! MMkay?

Oh be quiet, I'm asking Ecofarm about a question he has rephrased three different times. Go fart out subpar one-liners somewhere else.

 

[joG]

Their behavior would be a result of being in the kkk?

Who knows? People are funny.

 

[ecofarm]

Screw it, I'm biting. The Muslims are saying Allahu Ackbar because they're Muslims, the sports fans are cheering because they're sports fans, and the KKK members are, well, they're also saying Allahu Ackbar, because they're... in the KKK, I guess. Weird.

Regardless, what is the point you wanted to make about this theoretical causation?

Don't blame objects.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Don't blame objects.

...What objects? Do you mean the groups in each example?

 

[ecofarm]

...What objects? Do you mean the groups in each example?

Religion, ideology, abstract social objects. It's no different than blaming a table or a tool.

 

[joG]

Ignoring the reality that the men were drunk Belgians............... Muslims are BaaaaaD! MMkay?

Belgians? They can be really mean! I know. My wife's mother comes from there.

 

[Mason66]

Religion, ideology, abstract social objects. It's no different than blaming a table or a tool.

You can't be serious.

An ideology or religion that teaches people to act a certain way is not the same as a table.

What has your table taught you lately?

 

[ecofarm]

You can't be serious.

An ideology or religion that teaches people to act a certain way is not the same as a table.

What has your table taught you lately?

The Old Testament "teaches" to stone people. Do we blame it when a Christian wacko does something terrible? Do we say "it's because of the Bible!" No, we don't. But for some reason, it's okay to do that regarding other religions?

People teach people. Objects don't teach us. Further, an object cannot force someone to be a criminal. Criminals use objects as excuses.

Blaming an abstract object is no different than blaming a physical object. Have you no sense of responsibility? Blaming objects is absurd.

 

[Mason66]

The Old Testament "teaches" to stone people. Do we blame it when a Christian wacko does something terrible? Do we say "it's because of the Bible!" No, we don't. But for some reason, it's okay to do that regarding other religions?

People teach people. Objects don't teach us. Further, an object cannot force someone to be a criminal. Criminals use objects as excuses.

Blaming an abstract object is no different than blaming a physical object. Have you no sense of responsibility? Blaming objects is absurd.

When was the last time you had somebody, anybody say they stoned somebody because of the old testament?

There are hundreds of thousands or millions of followers of the Muslim faith that use their book to justify violence.

You cannot compare the two and you are rediculos for even trying.

 

[Manc Skipper]

When was the last time you had somebody, anybody say they stoned somebody because of the old testament?

There are hundreds of thousands or millions of followers of the Muslim faith that use their book to justify violence.

You cannot compare the two and you are rediculos for even trying.

Shooting abortion doctors may not be bibilical, but the self-justifications....

 

[volsrock]

The Old Testament "teaches" to stone people. .

link to the last Christian stoning......lets compare Christian and Muslim stoning last 20 yrs shall we?

 

[Manc Skipper]

Oh be quiet, I'm asking Ecofarm about a question he has rephrased three different times. Go fart out subpar one-liners somewhere else.

Touched a nerve there.

 

[ecofarm]

When was the last time you had somebody, anybody say they stoned somebody because of the old testament?

There are hundreds of thousands or millions of followers of the Muslim faith that use their book to justify violence.

You cannot compare the two and you are rediculos for even trying.

People use the convenient excuse to justify crimes. When someone claims the devil, or the US or a group of people for what they've done, we don't take their word for it. When someone blames the Bible or the Constitution for a horrible act, we don't take their word. When a terrorist claims they did it because the US did something or because Allah commands, we ought not take their word for it.

Crimes are always rationalized according to the convenient excuse. That excuse varies with socioeconomics and geography.

Criminals try to blame objects, but that's not intellectually acceptable because blaming objects is nonsense. Blaming an object is giving an object power, isn't that idolatry in Christianity?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Religion, ideology, abstract social objects. It's no different than blaming a table or a tool.

I'm all good with not blaming an entire group for one person's actions, but there is a world of difference between an object and an ideology. Furthermore, the "don't blame ideology or religion" slogan is flawed from the very get-go. Here's a few examples!

Do you think those Nazis killed 14 million innocent people in concentration camps because they were Nazis (Godwin mother****ers)?

Do you think those Stalinists killed over 20 million dissidents in the gulags because they were Stalinists?

Do you think those Wahhabi Islamists rejected scientific thought in the Muslim world in favor of religious zealotry because they were Wahhabi Islamists?

Do you think those Aztecs sacrificed thousands and thousands of people to the sun because they were Aztecs?

Groups share common traits and behavios. That's one of the most basic concepts of sociology. Sure, groups are abstract, and of course, not every member of a group matches the criteria that group is defined by perfectly, but that doesn't mean that these... "social objects" are no more responsible than a table or a tool in affecting the members of said "social objects."

Are we going to see a #NotAllNazis movement soon? Are you and the rest of the grammar relativists going to champion the cause of German supremacy now, to make sure that people don't erroneously ascribe the bad behavior of a few bad apples to the Nazi movement as a whole?