72 of the convicted terrorist came from countries on the Travel Restriction List.

[Kurmugeon]

In Black and White:

Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order | Center for Immigration Studies

Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order

By Jessica Vaughan, February 11, 2017

A review of information compiled by a Senate committee in 2016 reveals that 72 individuals from the seven countries covered in President Trump's vetting executive order have been convicted in terror cases since the 9/11 attacks. These facts stand in stark contrast to the assertions by the Ninth Circuit judges who have blocked the president's order on the basis that there is no evidence showing a risk to the United States in allowing aliens from these seven terror-associated countries to come in.

In June 2016 the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest, then chaired by new Attorney General Jeff Sessions, released a report on individuals convicted in terror cases since 9/11. Using open sources (because the Obama administration refused to provide government records), the report found that 380 out of 580 people convicted in terror cases since 9/11 were foreign-born. The report is no longer available on the Senate website, but a summary published by Fox News is available here.

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[Kurmugeon]

The Judge who placed the suspend on the Travel Restrictions admits he was ignorant of this fact at the time he issued the order.

Seattle Judge Was Ignorant About Jihad Convictions Prior to Imposing Refugee Reform Ban - Breitbart

Seattle Judge Was Ignorant About Jihad Convictions Prior to Imposing Refugee Reform Ban

The Seattle judge who temporarily banned the White House’s refugee reform plan acted after mistakenly claiming the federal government has not arrested jihadi migrants from the seven Muslim countries covered by the reform.

But the federal government has arrested and jailed at least 76 people since 2001 from the seven countries covered in the first stage of the president’s reform, which was announced late January.

Now you might make the case, that 200 of the Terrorist attackers were American Born Muslims.

Yeah, that is true... BUT!


I believe I read it was 82% of the American Born Muslim Terrorist did not become radicalized until they came into signifcant contact with Foreign Born Muslims. I know it was over 80%.



The Orlando shooter is a great case in point.

Google:Orlando shooter ISIS recruitment story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e2bb11375be2

He did not go radical until he met with foreign born Muslims at a Mosque, they talked him into visiting their web site online, then he journied to the Middle East, and Swore his life to ISIS, then Returned.




If a foreign born Muslim who comes into the U.S., posing as a Refugee, but is acting as an ISIS Terror RECRUITER, he has a job to do.

The ISIS Recruiter is tasked with Recruiting Americans to join the Jihad and commit acts of terrorism against their countrymen, that is their primary job.

The ISIS Recruiter is NOT going to commit violent Terror Acts themselves, it would disable them from doing their primary job.

Dugh!



You might be able to make the case that additional countries, namely Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be added to the list, because those countries are often the source of the Jihadist Recruiters, but you cannot say that the "Home Grown" Muslim Terrorists are independent from the Foreign Born Muslims, because almost always, the gateway into the world of Jihad, is by contact with foreign born Muslims in an American Soil Mosque.




Given these facts, how can the Lefties, the Dems, and the Courts continue justify Blocking the Temporary Travel Restrictions?!

When the next Orlando Shooting or Boston Bombing occurs, do they think the common, Working, American People will not hold their politics accountable?

-

 

[Lutherf]

None of that matters. The ONLY goal the left has right now is to oppose anything and everything Trump does. If he signed and Executive order to bring sight to the blind, wealth to the poor and peace on earth the left would oppose it because it was issued by Trump.

 

[truthatallcost]

But our vetting process is so much more sophisticated than Germany, right? That's what my sociology professor says anyway.

 

[Yarff]

In Black and White:

Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order | Center for Immigration Studies



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Which is exactly why the Obama Administration put restrictions on all of those countries to begin with.

Funny how the Left seems to have forgotten that all of the sudden, eh?

 

[chromium]

"arrested" and "convicted" and "terrorist" are far from the same, yet this summary uses these terms interchangeably. Your headline says 72 "terrorists" yet buried in there is the fact only 33 were convicted, and i hardly think "very serious terror related crime" would lead to a 3 year sentence. So something in the details is way off. Since there's been 0 attacks from any of them here, i'm going with they were not at all an insurmountable threat. In fact, if this is true it's simply intelligence and law enforcement working as intended. There's bad apples in every group, doesn't justify extreme reactions that can only encourage revenge. The ultimate number that matters - 0 attacks in the past 40 years by citizens of those countries

I am interested in the following and not just selective information used for political purposes - how many of these 33 would have actually been stopped by this travel ban, and how many Saudi, Afghan, Egyptian, Pakistani nationals were similarly convicted? Actually it tells me some of that right there - 62 from Pakistan almost equals the entire list on the ban put together, oh and they harbored bin laden. Wonder what business dealings Trump has there to keep them off the list

 

[chromium]

The Judge who placed the suspend on the Travel Restrictions admits he was ignorant of this fact at the time he issued the order.

Seattle Judge Was Ignorant About Jihad Convictions Prior to Imposing Refugee Reform Ban - Breitbart



Now you might make the case, that 200 of the Terrorist attackers were American Born Muslims.

Yeah, that is true... BUT!


I believe I read it was 82% of the American Born Muslim Terrorist did not become radicalized until they came into signifcant contact with Foreign Born Muslims. I know it was over 80%.



The Orlando shooter is a great case in point.

Google:Orlando shooter ISIS recruitment story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e2bb11375be2

He did not go radical until he met with foreign born Muslims at a Mosque, they talked him into visiting their web site online, then he journied to the Middle East, and Swore his life to ISIS, then Returned.




If a foreign born Muslim who comes into the U.S., posing as a Refugee, but is acting as an ISIS Terror RECRUITER, he has a job to do.

The ISIS Recruiter is tasked with Recruiting Americans to join the Jihad and commit acts of terrorism against their countrymen, that is their primary job.

The ISIS Recruiter is NOT going to commit violent Terror Acts themselves, it would disable them from doing their primary job.

Dugh!



You might be able to make the case that additional countries, namely Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be added to the list, because those countries are often the source of the Jihadist Recruiters, but you cannot say that the "Home Grown" Muslim Terrorists are independent from the Foreign Born Muslims, because almost always, the gateway into the world of Jihad, is by contact with foreign born Muslims in an American Soil Mosque.




Given these facts, how can the Lefties, the Dems, and the Courts continue justify Blocking the Temporary Travel Restrictions?!

When the next Orlando Shooting or Boston Bombing occurs, do they think the common, Working, American People will not hold their politics accountable?

-

Please don't use Orlando tragedy to advocate for discriminatory purposes here. The killer was radicalized as a young kid, when he stood up on the bus and celebrated 9/11. Have you ever seen a video by his crazed father? Madmen have bad influences, go figure. Later on, he never met "ISIS recruiter." He may have met fellow losers who had nothing to do with ISIS except admiring them. It's like conflating Dylan Roof with the KKK. Also i recall you mocking lgbt here so again, please don't use this like you care about anything but the politics

 

[joG]

"arrested" and "convicted" and "terrorist" are far from the same, yet this summary uses these terms interchangeably. Your headline says 72 "terrorists" yet buried in there is the fact only 33 were convicted, and i hardly think "very serious terror related crime" would lead to a 3 year sentence. So something in the details is way off. Since there's been 0 attacks from any of them here, i'm going with they were not at all an insurmountable threat. In fact, if this is true it's simply intelligence and law enforcement working as intended. There's bad apples in every group, doesn't justify extreme reactions that can only encourage revenge. The ultimate number that matters - 0 attacks in the past 40 years by citizens of those countries

I am interested in the following and not just selective information used for political purposes - how many of these 33 would have actually been stopped by this travel ban, and how many Saudi, Afghan, Egyptian, Pakistani nationals were similarly convicted? Actually it tells me some of that right there - 62 from Pakistan almost equals the entire list on the ban put together, oh and they harbored bin laden. Wonder what business dealings Trump has there to keep them off the list

This is not a case for 'in dubio pro', in any event. We have usually vetted persons entering the US and we have always handled natiinals of different countries differently. Every nation does.
So EO concerning a temporary travel ban for individuals from these states that sponsor terrorism or have failed from domestic terror, until our present administration is confident that the vetting procedures are good enough.

One can be of different opinions and against the EO. But one should then be informed of the reality. So it is disturbing that you do not seem to have any robust evidence. After all, the burden of proof could be expected to lie on the side asking we take the risk.

 

[joG]

In Black and White:

Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order | Center for Immigration Studies



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Well, maybe that is one reason a judge of the Tenth Circuit said on BBC yesterday that the Tenth would have come to an other decision than Ninth had done.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Well, maybe that is one reason a judge of the Tenth Circuit said on BBC yesterday that the Tenth would have come to an other decision than Ninth had done.

Yes, and it is probably also the reason that the 9th has stated it will go back and look at the Trump Temporary Travel Restriction as well.

In around 90 days, the issue is moot... because the new vetting system will be up and running.

In the mean time, everyone who comes through the non-vetted system from these countries, will be placed on a special "Watch List", and probably re-vetted after the fact, and deported as needed.

The Lefties are making lots of Political wailing out of the Trump "Muslim Ban", which is not based on Religion, and is not a ban either. I think most of the people who are not already in the Anti-Trump camp see this for what it is, and are getting very disgusted at the Lefties for pulling the political manipulations and deceptions.

No vetting system is going to be fool proof, so we'd be allot better off figuring out how to set up protective enclaves inside or nearby the warzones for these "Refugees" to flee into for protection, than bring them HERE.

Among other things, it puts the "Refugees" in the threatre, to work on fixing what is wrong with their home countries.

In the end, just plain fiscal limits will force America to do this anyway, since the world has way more people who would like to Immigrate into America, than the country could possibly support.

 

[joG]

Yes, and it is probably also the reason that the 9th has stated it will go back and look at the Trump Temporary Travel Restriction as well.

In around 90 days, the issue is moot... because the new vetting system will be up and running.

In the mean time, everyone who comes through the non-vetted system from these countries, will be placed on a special "Watch List", and probably re-vetted after the fact, and deported as needed.

The Lefties are making lots of Political wailing out of the Trump "Muslim Ban", which is not based on Religion, and is not a ban either. I think most of the people who are not already in the Anti-Trump camp see this for what it is, and are getting very disgusted at the Lefties for pulling the political manipulations and deceptions.

No vetting system is going to be fool proof, so we'd be allot better off figuring out how to set up protective enclaves inside or nearby the warzones for these "Refugees" to flee into for protection, than bring them HERE.

Among other things, it puts the "Refugees" in the threatre, to work on fixing what is wrong with their home countries.

In the end, just plain fiscal limits will force America to do this anyway, since the world has way more people who would like to Immigrate into America, than the country could possibly support.

There are such protected enclaves near the war zones. All of Jordan or large areas in Lebanon, all through Africa and over in Asia there are such areas. But they were overstuffed and people like Trudeau or Merkel told them they had a right to safety in our countries. Obama made similar noises and didn't help install more capacity or help the countries enough that had hundreds of thousands of refugees in their camps and cities.

 

[eohrnberger]

Please don't use Orlando tragedy to advocate for discriminatory purposes here. The killer was radicalized as a young kid, when he stood up on the bus and celebrated 9/11. Have you ever seen a video by his crazed father? Madmen have bad influences, go figure. Later on, he never met "ISIS recruiter." He may have met fellow losers who had nothing to do with ISIS except admiring them. It's like conflating Dylan Roof with the KKK. Also i recall you mocking lgbt here so again, please don't use this like you care about anything but the politics

You make a good point there.

While hopefully the US vetting process will deny entry into the US of already radicalized Islamists. Problem is that we have congressional testimony from the heads of FBI and DHS (and others) that the US cannot properly and fully vet immigrants and refugees from these nations.



FBI Director Admits US Can’t Vet All Syrian Refugees For Terror Ties [VIDEO]

Senior Obama officials have warned of challenges in screening refugees from Syria

Ex-House Intelligence chairman: Refugees can’t be fully vetted

We also have statements from ISIS that they intend to use the immigrants and refugees from these nations as a means for infiltrating their terrorist operatives.

Islamic State finds success infiltrating its terrorists into refugee flows to West

How ISIS Smuggles Terrorists Among Syrian Refugees

Extremists have targeted refugee program to enter US, McCaul says

Specific to your point about in-country radicalization, what can be done to prevent those attackers and the damage, death and maiming of US citizens?
What would you do? What policies or procedures can be implemented?

 

[chromium]

This is not a case for 'in dubio pro', in any event. We have usually vetted persons entering the US and we have always handled natiinals of different countries differently. Every nation does.
So EO concerning a temporary travel ban for individuals from these states that sponsor terrorism or have failed from domestic terror, until our present administration is confident that the vetting procedures are good enough.

One can be of different opinions and against the EO. But one should then be informed of the reality. So it is disturbing that you do not seem to have any robust evidence. After all, the burden of proof could be expected to lie on the side asking we take the risk.

No, as the courts have decided, the burden of proof is on those demanding that the lives of 1 million iranian-americans (for example) are disturbed, after being promised they could come here for work/school/whatever. Zero attacks in 40 years is the kind of "evidence" only an intolerant coward would present

 

[chromium]

Yes, and it is probably also the reason that the 9th has stated it will go back and look at the Trump Temporary Travel Restriction as well.

In around 90 days, the issue is moot... because the new vetting system will be up and running.

In the mean time, everyone who comes through the non-vetted system from these countries, will be placed on a special "Watch List", and probably re-vetted after the fact, and deported as needed.

The Lefties are making lots of Political wailing out of the Trump "Muslim Ban", which is not based on Religion, and is not a ban either. I think most of the people who are not already in the Anti-Trump camp see this for what it is, and are getting very disgusted at the Lefties for pulling the political manipulations and deceptions.

No vetting system is going to be fool proof, so we'd be allot better off figuring out how to set up protective enclaves inside or nearby the warzones for these "Refugees" to flee into for protection, than bring them HERE.

Among other things, it puts the "Refugees" in the threatre, to work on fixing what is wrong with their home countries.

In the end, just plain fiscal limits will force America to do this anyway, since the world has way more people who would like to Immigrate into America, than the country could possibly support.

My ass it's not on based on religion. He even had the gall to the next day go on a *christian* talk show and clarify that the new refugee program will give preference to christians, as if other groups don't face persecution there, like atheists, muslim minorities, and lgbt (see yet why i don't want you using orlando to get what you want?)

 

[chromium]

You make a good point there.

While hopefully the US vetting process will deny entry into the US of already radicalized Islamists. Problem is that we have congressional testimony from the heads of FBI and DHS (and others) that the US cannot properly and fully vet immigrants and refugees from these nations.



FBI Director Admits US Can’t Vet All Syrian Refugees For Terror Ties [VIDEO]

Senior Obama officials have warned of challenges in screening refugees from Syria

Ex-House Intelligence chairman: Refugees can’t be fully vetted

We also have statements from ISIS that they intend to use the immigrants and refugees from these nations as a means for infiltrating their terrorist operatives.

Islamic State finds success infiltrating its terrorists into refugee flows to West

How ISIS Smuggles Terrorists Among Syrian Refugees

Extremists have targeted refugee program to enter US, McCaul says

Specific to your point about in-country radicalization, what can be done to prevent those attackers and the damage, death and maiming of US citizens?
What would you do? What policies or procedures can be implemented?

Nah the problem is the "vetting process" will be just a sham to try and allow Trump to ban muslims and extend the list to additional muslim countries that Trump doesn't have personal business with (like Saudi). Just look at those he put in charge of it - it'll clearly be his version of a show trial, kind of like the article in the OP conflates "arrested" with "terrorist" Some kind of test for applicants like "say derka derka three times fast = banned, terrorist scum!"

I wouldn't do anything except continue trying to weed out the extremists who don't share our values on a case by case. There's been 0 attacks in 40 years by nationals from those countries. I also highly doubt that a committed and funded terrorist won't just find another way in. That's just the reality of global travel. There's no going back to the 16th century. Even several westerners sneak into that highly paranoid craphole north korea every year. The real work, the real point of government, is to protect us once they get in. Less access to guns and explosives comes to mind. Even 9/11 itself should've been prevented by better intelligence, and these 33 convictions in the OP were made after all. And if he's going to mention those failed attempts, i'm going to mention the christian extremists in kansas who nearly blew up an apartment building as an excuse to ban christian majority countries. Only i don't want that, because i'm rational, and i value diversity. Just start trying to weed out the christian extremists who don't share our values on a case by case. Problem with that is also describes 1/3 of Americans! See, i've been onto them since i was a little kid, and i see no reason to feel safer around them than i do an extreme muslim who isn't (yet) plotting something. But i truly don't believe in thought crimes, or guilt by association

There is no need for this, and as some republicans are saying, it will create recruitment fodder for the real terrorists. But Trump, worried he will be a one term wonder if he doesn't placate his base that thinks every muslim is a terrorist, and figuring if an actual attack does happen he'll be able to spin anything to his favor with a scared ****less public even if he's partly to blame (a lot like Bush after 9/11), couldn't care less. At least that's my assessment of it

 

[eohrnberger]

Nah the problem is the "vetting process" will be just a sham to try and allow Trump to ban muslims and extend the list to additional muslim countries that Trump doesn't have personal business with (like Saudi).

So 'Nah, congressional testimony doesn't matter', it isn't true ? An interesting position to take. Not one that I'd share with you.

Just look at those he put in charge of it - it'll clearly be his version of a show trial, kind of like the article in the OP conflates "arrested" with "terrorist" Some kind of test for applicants like "say derka derka three times fast = banned, terrorist scum!"

As to the administration's choice of who 'he put in charge of it', have you forgotten that he's working short handed? Being denied his cabinet?

Isn't it the considered position that a president deserves to have his cabinet?



I suppose that's only supposed to count when it's a Democrat president then?

I wouldn't do anything except continue trying to weed out the extremists who don't share our values on a case by case. There's been 0 attacks in 40 years by nationals from those countries. I also highly doubt that a committed and funded terrorist won't just find another way in. That's just the reality of global travel.

I see you are ignoring the inconvenient fact ISIS has already declared the intent to use the refugees and immigrants as a means to infiltrate their operatives into other countries. Yes, it is the reality of global travel, which also means that securing the southern border isn't an option, but rather a requirement.

Smuggling network guided illegals from Middle East terror hotbeds to U.S. border

Report: Middle Eastern Immigrants Smuggled Across U.S. Border

“Islamic Refugee” With Gas Pipeline Plans Arrested in New Mexico Border County

There's no going back to the 16th century. Even several westerners sneak into that highly paranoid craphole north korea every year. The real work, the real point of government, is to protect us once they get in.

So what are proposals specific to this?

Less access to guns and explosives comes to mind.

A gun ban? :lamo Yeah, I'm seeing leftist talking points being walked down one by one.

Even 9/11 itself should've been prevented by better intelligence, and these 33 convictions in the OP were made after all.

72 convictions BTW. With that many, doesn't one have to think about the ones that weren't caught?

And if he's going to mention those failed attempts, i'm going to mention the christian extremists in kansas who nearly blew up an apartment building as an excuse to ban christian majority countries. Only i don't want that, because i'm rational, and i value diversity. Just start trying to weed out the christian extremists who don't share our values on a case by case. Problem with that is also describes 1/3 of Americans!

Oh how terrible! There are others in this free country that opinions different than you! Oh those deplorables! (How sad for you). But agreed, there's nothing redeeming about anyone who takes to violence, such as the Berzerley rioters who's sole purpose is to suppress free speech and free thought that they don't agree with. Yet another typical leftist position.

See, i've been onto them since i was a little kid, and i see no reason to feel safer around them than i do an extreme muslim who isn't (yet) plotting something. But i truly don't believe in thought crimes, or guilt by association

There is no need for this, and as some republicans are saying, it will create recruitment fodder for the real terrorists. But Trump, worried he will be a one term wonder if he doesn't placate his base that thinks every muslim is a terrorist, and figuring if an actual attack does happen he'll be able to spin anything to his favor with a scared ****less public even if he's partly to blame (a lot like Bush after 9/11), couldn't care less. At least that's my assessment of it

Yeah, You've dutifully recited the leftist talking points, point by point.

 

[Fearandloathing]

So 'Nah, congressional testimony doesn't matter', it isn't true ? An interesting position to take. Not one that I'd share with you.



As to the administration's choice of who 'he put in charge of it', have you forgotten that he's working short handed? Being denied his cabinet?

Isn't it the considered position that a president deserves to have his cabinet?



I suppose that's only supposed to count when it's a Democrat president then?



I see you are ignoring the inconvenient fact ISIS has already declared the intent to use the refugees and immigrants as a means to infiltrate their operatives into other countries. Yes, it is the reality of global travel, which also means that securing the southern border isn't an option, but rather a requirement.

Smuggling network guided illegals from Middle East terror hotbeds to U.S. border

Report: Middle Eastern Immigrants Smuggled Across U.S. Border

“Islamic Refugee” With Gas Pipeline Plans Arrested in New Mexico Border County



So what are proposals specific to this?



A gun ban? :lamo Yeah, I'm seeing leftist talking points being walked down one by one.



72 convictions BTW. With that many, doesn't one have to think about the ones that weren't caught?


Oh how terrible! There are others in this free country that opinions different than you! Oh those deplorables! (How sad for you). But agreed, there's nothing redeeming about anyone who takes to violence, such as the Berzerley rioters who's sole purpose is to suppress free speech and free thought that they don't agree with. Yet another typical leftist position.


Yeah, You've dutifully recited the leftist talking points, point by point.

I was wondering if you could supply more details on that horrible terrorist attack in Bowling Green announced by the White House. Was it in Bowling Green, Ohio? And how many people were killed? Did they "get" the terrorists?

Oh wait....am I confusing that with a Trump Christmas?

 

[holbritter]

No, as the courts have decided, the burden of proof is on those demanding that the lives of 1 million iranian-americans (for example) are disturbed, after being promised they could come here for work/school/whatever. Zero attacks in 40 years is the kind of "evidence" only an intolerant coward would present

Wouldn't an Iranian-American be born/naturalized here already? How many people does everyone think the US can hold anyway?

 

[eohrnberger]

I was wondering if you could supply more details on that horrible terrorist attack in Bowling Green announced by the White House. Was it in Bowling Green, Ohio? And how many people were killed? Did they "get" the terrorists?

Oh wait....am I confusing that with a Trump Christmas?

I'm not aware of a 'terrorist attack in Bowling Green', but I am aware of 'terrorist arrests in Bowling Green'.

[h=3]Terrorism-related arrests in Bowling Green[/h] In 2011, two Iraqi men who entered the country as refugees were arrested in Bowling Green, Kentucky.[SUP][2][/SUP] They were charged with federal terrorism because they had attempted to send both money and weapons to al-Qaeda in Iraq.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] They were convicted of supporting attacks on U.S. troops while they were still in Iraq as well as attempting to provide material support to al-Qaeda in Iraq after they had moved to the United States.[SUP][3][/SUP] Arrests were made on various charges including "attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to al Qaeda in Iraq."[SUP][1][/SUP]
Before entering the U.S., both had used improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in Iraq,[SUP][4][/SUP] although this had not been known at the time of their admission to the United States. The men both pleaded guilty; one is serving a life sentence while the other is serving 40 years in federal prison.[SUP][3][/SUP] The two men never attacked anyone in the United States,[SUP][2][/SUP] and there was no evidence that the men had traveled back to the Middle East or had any contact with ISIS after being admitted to the United States. Neither of the two was ever charged with plotting attacks inside the United States.[SUP][4][/SUP]
As a direct response to their arrests, the administration of then-president Barack Obama re-vetted 58,000 refugees already in the country, imposed vetting on 25,000 other Iraqi citizens still in Iraq, and significantly tightened the processing of Iraqi visa/refugee applications for six months.[SUP][5][/SUP] Obama also instituted a requirement for new background checks on visa applicants from Iraq; as a result, Iraq travel visas were issued more slowly.[SUP][6][/SUP] The changes in visa verification were temporary, and some Iraqi refugees continued to be admitted to the United States throughout the period.[SUP][5][/SUP]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Green_massacre#Terrorism-related_arrests_in_Bowling_Green

Is that what you are talking about?

Probably a worthwhile thing to re-vet the 58,000 refugees already in the country. If this re-vetting uncovered any additional Islamic extremists, I've not heard.

I'd also point out that we have congressional testimony after that event, which took the position that it wasn't possible to sufficiently vet incoming immigrants and refugees from a number of countries.

Funny. It was the same countries that were in Trump's temporary immigration pause. Imagine that.

 

[joG]

No, as the courts have decided, the burden of proof is on those demanding that the lives of 1 million iranian-americans (for example) are disturbed, after being promised they could come here for work/school/whatever. Zero attacks in 40 years is the kind of "evidence" only an intolerant coward would present

I didn't see that Americans were unduly impacted by a 90 day delay in their friends entry. But there will be people that will gripe. Not that I support the EO. It could have been handled more elegantly. But it certainly did cause a lot of people to concentrate on what Trump's theatrics instead of issues.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I'm not aware of a 'terrorist attack in Bowling Green', but I am aware of 'terrorist arrests in Bowling Green'.



Is that what you are talking about?

Probably a worthwhile thing to re-vet the 58,000 refugees already in the country. If this re-vetting uncovered any additional Islamic extremists, I've not heard.

I'd also point out that we have congressional testimony after that event, which took the position that it wasn't possible to sufficiently vet incoming immigrants and refugees from a number of countries.

Funny. It was the same countries that were in Trump's temporary immigration pause. Imagine that.

I have no idea, all I know is I heard Trump's press flunky justifying harassing people because of a "terrible incident."

I should have guessed he'd be digging up a six year old nothing.

So, i other words, there have been no attacks by refugees that you can prove.

I don't know, but locking all the gates seven years later doesn't seem like sound judgment to me, especially since the overly verbose reality show celebrity hadn't said a ****ing word about Bowling Green.....


"where have all the bodies gone, Bowling Green....."

 

[chromium]

Wouldn't an Iranian-American be born/naturalized here already? How many people does everyone think the US can hold anyway?

They are now banned from ever returning to their home country, and if they leave this country they will be either denied entry even with a greencard or accosted by the professional gropers at the airport who will search their belongings and interrogate them for hours. This has been the experience so far

Then others consider themselves iranian-american because they've been living here for many years with a visa, and now they're told they can't finish their degree or whatever. This is not the 'land of opportunity' to be sure

 

[chromium]

I didn't see that Americans were unduly impacted by a 90 day delay in their friends entry. But there will be people that will gripe. Not that I support the EO. It could have been handled more elegantly. But it certainly did cause a lot of people to concentrate on what Trump's theatrics instead of issues.

There was a daughter who wanted to visit her sick mother before she died, a stanford phD student who was detained for hours on a return flight despite she had been here for years, and tons of google employees who were told to return quickly before they're blocked from ever returning. I don't scour the news for examples, but that's just those i came across. I'm sure there's countless more and that makes it a real issue that warrants the griping about his theatrics of inventing security issues. "Liberty for all" and whatnot dictates that those who dismiss their suffering in favor of their own imagined security threat are selfish cowards

 

[eohrnberger]

I have no idea, all I know is I heard Trump's press flunky justifying harassing people because of a "terrible incident."

I should have guessed he'd be digging up a six year old nothing.

So, i other words, there have been no attacks by refugees that you can prove.

There have been quite a number of reports from EU who have accepted refugees into their midst.

BKA: 2016 crime rates show Germany continues to be dangerous for ...
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Dec 20, 2016 - In the wake of yet another suspected terrorist attack, discourse about violence, the refugee crisis, and immigration is back in the headlines.
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Why allow this into your country when you have a choice to not?

I don't know, but locking all the gates seven years later doesn't seem like sound judgment to me, especially since the overly verbose reality show celebrity hadn't said a ****ing word about Bowling Green.....


"where have all the bodies gone, Bowling Green....."

Well, you're the one who brought Bowling Green up.

 

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There was a daughter who wanted to visit her sick mother before she died, a stanford phD student who was detained for hours on a return flight despite she had been here for years, and tons of google employees who were told to return quickly before they're blocked from ever returning. I don't scour the news for examples, but that's just those i came across. I'm sure there's countless more and that makes it a real issue that warrants the griping about his theatrics of inventing security issues. "Liberty for all" and whatnot dictates that those who dismiss their suffering in favor of their own imagined security threat are selfish cowards

A few cases are not a reasonable argument against a national measure. A court decision on those situations concerning exemptions would be the way to go. But if it hate that one wanted to whip up in order to rally one's political followers, then one will do, what is now happening.