63 yr old family man detained in Alligator Alcatraz

[Hamish Howl]

What has me baffled is that he still can self deport from within detention. He needs to pay his way, but his daughter just raised 6k, so that should be doable.

So why isn't he taking that option? The family seems to want him to be released so they can continue to Mexico on their own terms.

That's not how concentration camps work.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Actually the only evidence I've been able to find is his testimony.

But others have a similar tale to tell.

Also, the poor conditions could be a function of the facility being so new and kinks needing to be worked out.

They could also be a function of building a facility in the Everglades.

 

[MaryJoLisa]

concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.

The term concentration camp is so divisive and I don't think it's accurate. This is a detainment center and occupants are given the opportunity to leave, apparently at DHS expense. They are not there because of their race or ethnic group, they are not political prisoners, and they are not asked their political affiliation. They are not being exploited or punished. They are there because they are in the country illegally and we need a place to keep them if they wish to fight their case before a judge. Alternatively, they can just go home.

They could also be a function of building a facility in the Everglades.

Absolutely. In either case, the facility needs to be fixed or shut down. I don't think it rises to the level of being a concentration camp, though.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The term concentration camp is so divisive and I don't think it's accurate.

It is absolutely accurate. It perfectly matches the description @Bodi posted, and it is precisely in the mold of the Japanese internment camps and the Boer concentration camps, and building one that guarantees everyone inside will drown if there's even just a tropical storm puts it even closer to gulags.

 

[Fearandloathing]

If only you libs would stop using stupid, incendiary and dishonest words like 'concentration camp.' But that would require more honesty than the typical liberal is capable of.

"you libs"

Very enlightened

 

[Fearandloathing]

I think it's relevant to consider that people sent to detention facilities like this have broken a long-standing law by failing to have proper documentation, they likely deliberately put themselves into the line of fire (so to speak), when they did not have to come here in the first place, and they can leave any time they like by choosing to go home.

Still, the conditions need to be better.

The people of the United States must share that responsibility AND that blame.

It's not like illegal immigration just happened, that it's a new trend.

Illegals have been an issue in the country since the 60's for **** sake and until Trump no one has done anything about it. This is the ONE TIME I'm on his side. For 70 years I've been hearing tales of people living there illegally and often not even speaking English! And often they work tax free

So now something is being done.

 

[CaughtInThe]

To be honest, it's easy to make people (even if they're working hard in our fields gathering our food) want to self deport when they see that Trump is snatching people off the street and sending them to be tortured.

 

[Fletch]

"you libs"

Very enlightened

Why would a lib like you be bothered by being referred to as a lib?

 

[Fletch]

To be honest, it's easy to make people (even if they're working hard in our fields gathering our food) want to self deport when they see that Trump is snatching people off the street and sending them to be tortured.

Well, well, well look who is starting to figure things out. But the program wouldnt be anywhere near as successful if it werent for dumbass laftists scaring the crap out of illegals by claiming that a 'fascist army' is going to round up people here illegally and send them off to 'concentration camps' to die.

 

[ClaraD]

Do we usually let people with warrants out on them, to decide what they want to do?

Yes, it’s called a bond

 

[Mason66]

What has me baffled is that he still can self deport from within detention. He needs to pay his way, but his daughter just raised 6k, so that should be doable.

So why isn't he taking that option? The family seems to want him to be released so they can continue to Mexico on their own terms.

Why would Argentinians be allowed into Mexico?

 

[Mason66]

IMO, it really doesn't matter what he or his family want. He has more than demonstrated his willingness to break immigration law before his detention, so I see now reason why he should be given the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

It was more than immigration law he broke.

He doesn't have a drivers license but was caught driving twice.

He put untold numbers of people at risk.

No license also means no insurance.

No he cannot be let out.