58,000 illegals in Texas voted

[poweRob]

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[bubbabgone]

You are correct hundreds of investigations have proven 100% that voter fraud happens so rarely that is has zero effect elections.

And yet the right still clings to anything and everything to suppress voters rights.

Why, because they are the minority...

Then why the big fight over 900 votes in North Carolina?

And 58,000 times ain't rarely.

 

[Deuce]

Then why the big fight over 900 votes in North Carolina?

And 58,000 times ain't rarely.

1) over 22 years, it isn’t.
2) it’s not 58000 times.-

 

[bubbabgone]

1) over 22 years, it isn’t.

who says it's over 22 years and who says it's rarely?

2) it’s not 58000 times.-

you're right ... according to the article 58,000 is the voter count ... 58,000 vote count is the minimum.
"58,000 of them have voted in one or more elections"

 

[Middleground]

Lol ! The1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which made it a federal crime for non-citizens to vote in a US election, was signed by Clinton

Democrats want as many illegal alien's voting in US elections because that's the only way they can hold onto and or gain power.

Thank God Texas is cracking down on illegals that vote, because everyone of their votes wipes out the vote of a US citizen.

The article is deceiving. And Republicans have long been lying about it. Their goal is to surprise Democratic voters and to get gullible people to believe it.

 

[BWG]

Sam Taylor, a spokesman for the secretary of state, said the announcement on Friday did not mean that the authorities had discovered 95,000 registered voters who it knew for a fact were noncitizens.

Instead, the office was advising local officials to ask these voters via mail to provide proof of their citizenship. Mr. Taylor noted that it is a felony for noncitizens to vote in Texas, and a misdemeanor for them to register.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/us/noncitizens-voting-texas.html

I take no credit for this link as it was in another thread on the same subject.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...ally-voted-post1069603497.html#post1069603497

 

[SLC]

For the record - "non-citizen" does NOT mean illegal!

With that said....Perhaps it's time TX got its act together and STOP sending out voter registration cards and jury duty notices to ANY person with a drivers license/SSN. You are not required to be a citizen to get a DL in this state and unfortunately this incompetent segment of our government provides the list of people that should be sent voter registration cards or jury summons. When I 1st came here and got my SSN and drivers license within in a month I was sent my 1st jury duty summons....I was only a resident not a citizen at the time! Thanks goodness I understood this was a mistake and not something I was authorized to do unless I was a citizen but I can also see how someone may not understand the process to make them eligible to vote or required to appear for jury duty.

What makes you assume Texas sends out voter registration cards. You have to pick up a forum and fill it out. And to get a forum you are clearly told you must be a citizen. So the 95,000 that filled out forms and were not citizens did it fraudulently. Jury summons are sent base on DL because it encourages a more diverse jury pool than the old system of using voter registration cards for the jury list.

 

[notquiteright]

Yeah we know liberals could care less about 58,000 illegals voting in just one state when those votes go to them.

Yeah we all know so-called conservatives could care less when their voter officials have long term voter fraud- such as North Carolina... :roll:

But then again what time frame are we discussing when claiming- as yet unverified- 58,000 NON-CITIZENS could have voted????

How many times have Republican't election officials WRONGLY purged eligible voters from the rolls or used petty excuses to deny a voter???

Try and keep it real for the time being- let's have others examine the 'evidence'.... eace

 

[upsideguy]

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/5...d-in-Texas-state-official-says-504881122.html


Perhaps this will help us better understand why Pelosi, Schumer and many Democrats are reluctant to build a Wall.

Sorry, you are selling this as something that it is not.

The article is NOT about illegal immigrants illegally voting. The article is about problems in the voting registration system. I talks about non-citizens being registered to vote, of which 55,000 actually voted.

"...A yearlong investigation involving the Texas Department of Public Safety revealed that 95,000 non-citizens are registered to vote in the state and that 58,000 of them have voted in one or more elections, Secretary of State David Whitley announced Friday...."

If you vote when you are registered to vote, its not a problem of the voter, its a problem of the system.

1) the people that voted were registered to vote, so their voting was not illegal. It speaks to issues with Texas voter registration system
2) it never tell us whether the problem is with US citizenship OR Texas citizenship. When these types of issues have happened in the past, they usually deal with deficiencies within the voter registration system to keep up with changes in residency within the US (US citizens moving from one state to another, no longer residents of the state they were in, but still registered to vote in that state.)
3) the article remained vague as to the actual problem (see #2). They really tell us very little about this study, what specifically they discovered, and what the specific problem actually is. This is nothing more sloppy or sensational journalism. Reacting to it's supposed conclusions and/or extrapolating those conclusions as many have here in, frankly, shallow or intellectually dishonest

There is no story here worthy of debate.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I take no credit for this link as it was in another thread on the same subject.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...ally-voted-post1069603497.html#post1069603497

The plot thickens...

 

[Kreton]

Yeah we know liberals could care less about 58,000 illegals voting in just one state when those votes go to them.

There is nothing that says 58,000 illegals voted, even in your own post. The only one claiming that is you, not the organization you are misquoting.

 

[Deuce]

who says it's over 22 years and who says it's rarely?

People who looked into this in greater detail than the OP. 58,000 over 22 years is not significant in Texas. Furthermore, Texas has voter ID laws that did not prevent this.

you're right ... according to the article 58,000 is the voter count ... 58,000 vote count is the minimum.
"58,000 of them have voted in one or more elections"

It’s actually a hypothetical maximum. Since it was over 22 years, it is probable that a number of these individuals gained citizenship during that period. Furthermore, the matches were “weak” to begin with, meaning there are probable mismatches. (Most commonly, from people with the same name or very similar names)

 

[straykatz]

What makes you assume Texas sends out voter registration cards. You have to pick up a forum and fill it out. And to get a forum you are clearly told you must be a citizen. So the 95,000 that filled out forms and were not citizens did it fraudulently. Jury summons are sent base on DL because it encourages a more diverse jury pool than the old system of using voter registration cards for the jury list.

I never filled out a form to vote...period! Now I did need to send mine back because they had my name incorrect on it and they sent me a new one....other than that...I filled out no form to register. Maybe if you register with one party or another you need to complete a form...but in TX you do not have to register with a party you simply state what party you are voting for at the poll station if voting in a primary.

 

[bubbabgone]

People who looked into this in greater detail than the OP. 58,000 over 22 years is not significant in Texas. Furthermore, Texas has voter ID laws that did not prevent this.


It’s actually a hypothetical maximum. Since it was over 22 years, it is probable that a number of these individuals gained citizenship during that period. Furthermore, the matches were “weak” to begin with, meaning there are probable mismatches. (Most commonly, from people with the same name or very similar names)

And it's still voter fraud.

 

[SLC]

I never filled out a form to vote...period! Now I did need to send mine back because they had my name incorrect on it and they sent me a new one....other than that...I filled out no form to register. Maybe if you register with one party or another you need to complete a form...but in TX you do not have to register with a party you simply state what party you are voting for at the poll station if voting in a primary.

I have lived in Texas all my life except a couple of years while in college. I and my wife had to register to vote as did my son his wife and my niece that I know about. I am not sure how you were allowed to vote without a voter registration card. There is no check to see if you are a citizen others than you saying you are on the
Voter registration form. If you lie about that you can register to vote if you present a state ID or other forms of ID.

 

[SLC]

And it's still voter fraud.

Trump won with a total of about 80,000 votes in key states.

 

[SLC]

People who looked into this in greater detail than the OP. 58,000 over 22 years is not significant in Texas. Furthermore, Texas has voter ID laws that did not prevent this.


It’s actually a hypothetical maximum. Since it was over 22 years, it is probable that a number of these individuals gained citizenship during that period. Furthermore, the matches were “weak” to begin with, meaning there are probable mismatches. (Most commonly, from people with the same name or very similar names)

So they lied to vote . They canceled out the vote of citizens and you think that is i any way OK? Pathetic

 

[j-mac]

Yeah we know liberals could care less about 58,000 illegals voting in just one state when those votes go to them.

Wait, wasn't their argument before this that there is NO fraudulent voting, and you can't prove it? Now, it changed to no big deal.

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[Kreton]

Wait, wasn't their argument before this that there is NO fraudulent voting, and you can't prove it? Now, it changed to no big deal.

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Has anyone ever said that there is no fraudulent voting in the United States or are you just making that up? I feel like you are just fabricating that in an attempt to use blatant falsehoods in an attempt to make a political point. Also the OP assertion is based on the lie, refuted even by his own source, that this is proof of illegals voting running rampant in the US. There is nothing true in any of this, including your post. When your entire position is based falsehoods and can only be supported with lies and deception perhaps it is time to reevaluate your position.

 

[Top Cat]

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/5...d-in-Texas-state-official-says-504881122.html


Perhaps this will help us better understand why Pelosi, Schumer and many Democrats are reluctant to build a Wall.

Perhaps you should read the article you posted. Your thread title is patently false.

Under Texas law, non-citizens may obtain driver’s licenses by providing proof that they’re in the state lawfully

 

[straykatz]

I have lived in Texas all my life except a couple of years while in college. I and my wife had to register to vote as did my son his wife and my niece that I know about. I am not sure how you were allowed to vote without a voter registration card. There is no check to see if you are a citizen others than you saying you are on the
Voter registration form. If you lie about that you can register to vote if you present a state ID or other forms of ID.

I was automatically sent a voter card the year I became eligible to vote after getting citizenship. I never said I did not have a voter card to take with me to the polls...I said I never had to fill out a form to get that card nor did I declare party affiliation to get it.

 

[Amelia]

58,000 possible noncitizen residents in a database of 15 million registered voters cast a vote at some point in the past 22 years.

Well under 1% and unconfirmed.


This is getting weaker and weaker.


But if it matters to Texas, they can invest the money into researching the problem, and they can report back with their findings as they learn more.

 

[Helix]

58,000 possible noncitizen residents in a database of 15 million registered voters cast a vote at some point in the past 22 years.

Well under 1% and unconfirmed.


This is getting weaker and weaker.


But if it matters to Texas, they can invest the money into researching the problem, and they can report back with their findings as they learn more.

smells like bull**** to me. i live in a red state, and they love trying to kick voters off of the rolls.

 

[The Mark]

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I actually went and found the same story.


https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01/25/texas-flags-tens-thousands-voters-citizenship-check/

The Texas secretary of state's office announced Friday it would send local election officials a list of 95,000 registered voters who the state says counties should consider checking to see whether they are U.S. citizens and, therefore, legally eligible to vote.

In an advisory released Friday afternoon, the office said it was flagging individuals who had provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with some form of documentation — including a work visa or a green card — that showed they were not a citizen when they were obtaining a driver’s license or an ID card. Among the individuals flagged, about 58,000 individuals cast a ballot in one or more elections from 1996 to 2018, the secretary of state's office said.

That article linked to this: https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/advisory2019-02.shtml


Basically, the Texas SecState office is staying "here, take a look at these, they might be non-citizens voting."

But that's not the same thing as confirming there are non-citizens voting.

 

[SLC]

I actually went and found the same story.


https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01/25/texas-flags-tens-thousands-voters-citizenship-check/



That article linked to this: https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/laws/advisory2019-02.shtml


Basically, the Texas SecState office is staying "here, take a look at these, they might be non-citizens voting."

But that's not the same thing as confirming there are non-citizens voting.

Didnt later articles say 58000 of those names were illegal for sure.