5 Questions Nunes Memo Must Answer

[bubbabgone]

HaHa. Yes Manafort did lobbying work for the Podesta Group. Along with lobbying for other groups.
He also had other extensive contact with Russian agents, lots of financial dealings, and indictments for dealings with players that continued to play in the campaign.

The Hill:

I think you might be confused as to who is mixed up. Obviously Manafort is very mixed up...you, even, may be mixed up.

And just so you know, I will probably not depend on you for information about the dossier. We can still be friends, no?

Right. Manafort's a sleaze.
And none of Manafort's legal problems has anything to do with the Trump campaign.
As for the dossier you should depend on me. I would never do you wrong.
We can still be friends, yes. Send me a request. I like friends.

 

[iliveonramen]

You dont know who Bruce Ohr is ???

Bruce Ohr was Obama's deputy assistant AG and met with Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson both before the election and after the election.

Bruce Ohr's wife, Nellie Ohr was hired by Fusion GPS to conduct anti-Trump oppo-research. Nellie Ohr is also a expert in Russian affairs and can also speak Russian fluently.

Bruce Ohr was a senior Obama DOJ official with direct ties to a oppo-research firm that was being funded by Hillary and the DNC.

Thats all anyone knows about Ohr and his wife, because no reason has been given for his 2 demotions

Once the memo is released we'll learn why Ohr was demoted, because he's one of the people mentioned in the memo.

Ive been saying for some time the dossier is absolutely toxic...to the Democrats.

For the sake of argument....

What is Ohr's endgame? What exactly is the payoff for him to risk his career in order to get a 3 month FISA warrant served? FISA applications are a result of investigations not written up by someone in the DOJ. So this is an Ohr + FBI conspiracy. They also need to get the judge to sign off so there's another co-conspiracy. This is a lot of work to just listen in on phone calls......

Why wouldn't they leak the fact that Trump was under investigation? These warrants happened months before the election. Leaking the fact Trump was under investigation for collusion would of had a huge impact. Why wasn't taped phone calls leaked? That would of been another thing that could of resulted in a payoff for all that work that could of impacted the election.

You get at the crux of why this logically makes no sense...this conspiracy benefits no one...except for Donald Trump. Sure is weird how right wing conspiracies typically work out that way.

 

[iliveonramen]

Then that explains a great deal. You should look up Bruce & Nellie Ohr and who arranged the meeting with Don Jr.

And it sounds like your research might still be wanting concerning some of the circumstances surrounding Hillary's other problems too.

To be honest, debunking the BS you hear on this site is a full time job. I really don't have time to look up every string that leads no where that has been thrown out by the various conspiracies that tend to pop up.

 

[Fenton]

For the sake of argument....

What is Ohr's endgame? What exactly is the payoff for him to risk his career in order to get a 3 month FISA warrant served? FISA applications are a result of investigations not written up by someone in the DOJ. So this is an Ohr + FBI conspiracy. They also need to get the judge to sign off so there's another co-conspiracy. This is a lot of work to just listen in on phone calls......

Why wouldn't they leak the fact that Trump was under investigation? These warrants happened months before the election. Leaking the fact Trump was under investigation for collusion would of had a huge impact. Why wasn't taped phone calls leaked? That would of been another thing that could of resulted in a payoff for all that work that could of impacted the election.

You get at the crux of why this logically makes no sense...this conspiracy benefits no one...except for Donald Trump. Sure is weird how right wing conspiracies typically work out that way.

What was Ohr's endgame ? Thats pretty clear.
Use his position and authority to undermine Trumps candidacy and then Trumps Presidency

His wife was hired by Fusion GPS for Christ sake.
Ohr obviously never thought his career would be in jeopardy because no one thought Trump would win

Or, he's one of many Left wing ideologues placed in positions of power under a administration that was known for weaponizing and politizing Federal agencies.

The IRS comes to mind. Holders shake down fund that gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Left wing activist groups also comes to mind

The Obama DOJ charged a American journalist as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage Act so they could hack into his phone records and emails

They were definitely capable of doing something this corrupt

 

[bubbabgone]

To be honest, debunking the BS you hear on this site is a full time job. I really don't have time to look up every string that leads no where that has been thrown out by the various conspiracies that tend to pop up.

It's critical to the story and it's your decision how much you care to learn but it's all out there.

 

[iliveonramen]

What was Ohr's endgame ? Thats pretty clear.
Use his position and authority to undermine Trumps candidacy and then Trumps Presidency

How? If you were going to undermine his candidacy you'd leak the fact he was under investigation or that a FISA warrant was issued. We only found this out because Trump himself told everyone!! In fact, there would be no special prosecutor if Trump wouldn't of fired Comey. This whole situation would of been occurring with no one knowing about it. What exactly was the impact of the investigation on the election? None! Because know one knew except those investigating. No one would of known if numbnut wouldn't of tweeted that Obama wire tapped his phone.

His wife was hired by Fusion GPS for Christ sake.
Ohr obviously never thought his career would be in jeopardy because no one thought Trump would win

What? So we have a multi-agency conspiracy for something they assume will never be needed? Where's the logic in that. All it would take is one person to find out and leak that Ohr illegally obtained a FISA warrant and he would of lost his job.

Or, he's one of many Left wing ideologues placed in positions of power under a administration that was known for weaponizing and politizing Federal agencies.

:roll: And the crux of the whole conspiracy...you basically have to believe all the other conspiracies peddled by Fox News. Throw out all critical think skills and completely buy everything force fed you and sure...it all makes sense.

The IRS comes to mind. Holders shake down fund that gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Left wing activist groups also comes to mind

The Obama DOJ charged a American journalist as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage Act so they could hack into his phone records and emails

They were definitely capable of doing something this corrupt

The middle one I'm pretty sure is Obama going after leakers which I agree was an issue. Obama had a horrible record in going after journalists to find their sources and is something I don't like about his presidency.

The rest just aren't true.

 

[iliveonramen]

It's critical to the story and it's your decision how much you care to learn but it's all out there.

Just give me the facts other than that Ohr's wife worked with GPS and Ohr met with the GPS owners. What did Ohr do to get the FISA warrant. Who was he working with. How did he convince a judge to sign the FISA warrant. What was his end game. What exactly does Ohr gain by having a 3 month FISA for Trump.

 

[GDViking]

As the writer pointed out, there would have to be many dozens of people involved in this conspiracy. That's where my knee jerked. That and the judge with low sugar. It's like 9/11 conspiracies. Do you realize how many people would have to be involved for that to be pulled off as an inside job? Dozens. Hundreds. That's what makes it so implausible as a conspiracy.

I guess time will tell here. But the purveyors and supporters of the Patriot Act wanted the government to basically have whatever authority it wanted to spy on whomever it wanted to at any time. Why are all those people all of a sudden opposed to this?

Yup remember " if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?

 

[GDViking]

Ouch. As a lifelong Republican that article stung, but there is so much truth to it that I had to read it twice. He's right. Everything he said was right.

This part really made me almost cry:

Form Submission 1649” led to numerological kookspiracy speculation that would have made Louis Farrakhan proud. I kid you not, whackjobs were saying Hannity’s “1649” tweet was about the year when Charles the 1st was beheaded for treason by Cromwell. Uh huh. Sean Hannity knows about as much about Cromwell and Charles the 1st as he does about string theory.

Geezuschristonacracker. And you know what? It doesn't surprise me. How sad is that? It doesn't surprise me at all.

And he is SPOT ON that one of the people, in fact the only person inside the workings of DC, who can put a stop to this is Speaker Ryan. Where the hell is his head? This was the guy I was giddy as a schoolgirl to see Romney tap for his running mate. This was a young man I thought had such a brilliant future, no matter what happened. Since Trump came about he has been reduced to a caricature of his once admirable self, and an absolute whore for Trump and Nunes. It shocks and saddens me.

Oh you don't know Ryan as I do.

He grew up living off social security, and there would nothing wrong with that if he was not so dead set on taking away the same benefit he received from others.

He claims he wants smaller government but the only legitimate checks he has ever received were government checks, except for one summer when he drove the Oscar Meyer wiener mobile.

I'm not kidding, look it up.

 

[GDViking]

That's what I said.
Paige went to Moscow and never denied it.
What else was corroborated?

That is specifically why the doj and tbe fbi did not want the memo released.

Not because of corruption but because it comprises an ongoing investigation.

Precisely the reason trump will release it at the Friday night news dump tomorrow.

 

[JMR]

Right. Manafort's a sleaze.
And none of Manafort's legal problems has anything to do with the Trump campaign.
As for the dossier you should depend on me. I would never do you wrong.
We can still be friends, yes. Send me a request. I like friends.

Though the point you tried to make was that none of the dossier has been verifed. Pretty much all of Manafort's appearance in the dossier has been verified. As has Carter Page's appearance.

Now, if you have some inside information about the dossier that you have not disclosed to the intelligence community and can prove that, I would I agree, that I should depend on you.

I like friends too!

 

[chuckiechan]

I thought so too. I'll definitely be reading the memo with this article in hand.

It was so long it had to be true, and everyone except democrats are making everything up! Wowser!

You might as well stow in until the actual document comes out. BTW, the memo is just a synopsis. There are several pages in the actual report.

Maybe Trump demanded it be released because it helped the democrats? Either way, the left will demand a standard of proof from the republicans than is no where near the rickety case the Mueller investigation is using as it bumbles along.

 

[bubbabgone]

Though the point you tried to make was that none of the dossier has been verifed. Pretty much all of Manafort's appearance in the dossier has been verified. As has Carter Page's appearance.

Now, if you have some inside information about the dossier that you have not disclosed to the intelligence community and can prove that, I would I agree, that I should depend on you.

I like friends too!

We're talking about the dossier implications for Trump ... not Manafort's prior connections to the Podesta crime family or his prior business dealings with Russia before he joined the Trump campaign.
Inside information?
That's not necessary.
The dossier was political opposition research paid for by Hillary and the DNC, and since it was unverified (e.g. the author and Comey said that) if any of it found its way into a FISA warrant application it points to what everyone is calling the weaponization of the Intel community and it can mean big trouble for anyone involved.
Who knows, we may find out that it was presented to the FISA judge as material gathered & verified by previously reliable British Intelligence personnel.
That would be deception.
But we'll find out who was behind it and how it was used.
You interested to find out?

 

[JMR]

We're talking about the dossier implications for Trump ... not Manafort's prior connections to the Podesta crime family or his prior business dealings with Russia before he joined the Trump campaign.
Inside information?
That's not necessary.
The dossier was political opposition research paid for by Hillary and the DNC, and since it was unverified (e.g. the author and Comey said that) if any of it found its way into a FISA warrant application it points to what everyone is calling the weaponization of the Intel community and it can mean big trouble for anyone involved.
Who knows, we may find out that it was presented to the FISA judge as material gathered & verified by previously reliable British Intelligence personnel.
That would be deception.
But we'll find out who was behind it and how it was used.
You interested to find out?

The dossier began as political research first by the GOP, and then by the DNC. That fact does not disqualify Steele or his abilities to put together research.

Your first point was that the dossier has not been verified. The fact is that much of the dossier HAS been verified. It is also true that much of the information in the dossier was information already had by the FBI....as early as 2013.

Now if we are talking about the dossier's implications for Trump..it seems apparent that Trump's only card to play is insisting that the FBI is compromised and that FISA warrants were illegal. Not surprising the extent to which his supporters will go, actually undermining the intelligence agencies of our country, assumed patriots, to save his sorry ass. If they fail he is a dead duck.

The idea that the FBI was in on some secret cabal to discredit Trump, and had a federal judge sign off on unverified information from a foreign source is a little out of the credible realm.

I seriously doubt that Nunes has anything relevant to say about how it was used. He is a useful pawn.

I'm always interested in the ending.

 

[HowardBThiname]

That is specifically why the doj and tbe fbi did not want the memo released.

Not because of corruption but because it comprises an ongoing investigation.

Precisely the reason trump will release it at the Friday night news dump tomorrow.

You seem to know an awful lot about a classified memo that hasn't been made public yet -- I suppose we'll see if you are right -- or wrong, today.

 

[bubbabgone]

The dossier began as political research first by the GOP, and then by the DNC. That fact does not disqualify Steele or his abilities to put together research.

Your first point was that the dossier has not been verified. The fact is that much of the dossier HAS been verified. It is also true that much of the information in the dossier was information already had by the FBI....as early as 2013.

Now if we are talking about the dossier's implications for Trump..it seems apparent that Trump's only card to play is insisting that the FBI is compromised and that FISA warrants were illegal. Not surprising the extent to which his supporters will go, actually undermining the intelligence agencies of our country, assumed patriots, to save his sorry ass. If they fail he is a dead duck.

The idea that the FBI was in on some secret cabal to discredit Trump, and had a federal judge sign off on unverified information from a foreign source is a little out of the credible realm.

I seriously doubt that Nunes has anything relevant to say about how it was used. He is a useful pawn.

I'm always interested in the ending.

Oh dear Lord, not that again.
The dossier did NOT begin with the GOP. Not the GOP. The Free Beacon hired FUSION during the primary season to look into some Republican candidates. The Fusion work product for the Free Beacon was not the start of the dossier. It relied on public information and the Free Beacon said none of it appeared in the dossier.
The Free Beacon's association with Fusion ended in May and then the DNC started paying Fusion. Fusion brought in Steele because of his background and Russian contacts. The dossier was Steele's baby alone.
And Hillary and the DNC paid for it.
You really do need me.

The dossier has NOT been verified and even Comey and damn near everyone else, including Simpson and Steele himself, has acknowledged that.
It looks like you've resorted to regurgitating Adam (the Schriaffe) Schiff talking points and that's a bad look for anyone.
But if all this ever gets resolved I hope you remember that it was guys like him you placed your trust in.
Perhaps it will start today but then the only question is whether certain people have enough integrity to admit they've been snookered.
Given what we've found out so far hasn't seemed to register with them, I kinda doubt it.

But you can still be a friend ... no one has to know.

 

[iliveonramen]

It was so long it had to be true, and everyone except democrats are making everything up! Wowser!

What exactly are Democrats "making up"? The whole conversation is about a memo and a conspiracy theory on the right. I guess Dems are making up...that a large conspiracy doesn't exist?

You might as well stow in until the actual document comes out. BTW, the memo is just a synopsis. There are several pages in the actual report.

Well that's responsible of Congress...release a synopsis so that a lack of specifics can be waved away and fact checking is basically impossible? What is the actual document? Why not release that now? Why the rush to release the memo before the actual report? Is the report the result of an investigation or is the investigation going on?

Maybe Trump demanded it be released because it helped the democrats? Either way, the left will demand a standard of proof from the republicans than is no where near the rickety case the Mueller investigation is using as it bumbles along.

The Mueller investigation is an actual investigation. Please provide me with the proof that Mueller has because if you pretend to know, then you are just BS'ing. In real life investigations, the investigator doesn't right memo's or share their information until it's completed and the whole story is put together.

 

[JMR]

Oh dear Lord, not that again.
The dossier did NOT begin with the GOP. Not the GOP. The Free Beacon hired FUSION during the primary season to look into some Republican candidates. The Fusion work product for the Free Beacon was not the start of the dossier. It relied on public information and the Free Beacon said none of it appeared in the dossier.
The Free Beacon's association with Fusion ended in May and then the DNC started paying Fusion. Fusion brought in Steele because of his background and Russian contacts. The dossier was Steele's baby alone.
And Hillary and the DNC paid for it.
You really do need me.

The dossier has NOT been verified and even Comey and damn near everyone else, including Simpson and Steele himself, has acknowledged that.
It looks like you've resorted to regurgitating Adam (the Schriaffe) Schiff talking points and that's a bad look for anyone.
But if all this ever gets resolved I hope you remember that it was guys like him you placed your trust in.
Perhaps it will start today but then the only question is whether certain people have enough integrity to admit they've been snookered.
Given what we've found out so far hasn't seemed to register with them, I kinda doubt it.

But you can still be a friend ... no one has to know.

The Free Beacon (friends of the GOP) hired Fusion to do opposition research. When Trump was the obvious candidate the Free Beacon left the scene, and the DNC was offered the ability to continue research. As word of Russian dealings, hackings and other sitings became more public, Fusion turned to a Russia specialist, Steele, to join their team. So both sides were paying Fusion at one point. It is actually not illegal for information gathered for political purposes to be used by justice agencies. So I'm not seeing any need for you yet.

I would like to see your evidence that NONE of the information in the dossier has been verified. No one has ever claimed that it all had been verified. It has been shown that much information included in the dossier has been verified. A little light reading for you: Collusion by Luke Harding.

Having read all the press coverage today, I think it looks bad for Nunes to kiss ass for the president and release misstatements and missing context. Other than Trump, and his lying mouthpiece Sanders, no one is jumping in to defend this latest attempt to end the investigation.

Trump thinks this gives him enough cover to fire Rosenstein and put his own boy in there. Funny thing Rosenstein was his pick. And nothing in this memo proves any secret, illegal behavior by the FBI. Innuendo is all, disputed by McCabe, and everyone else mentioned in it.

It's gonna take a whole lot of truckloads of bulls*** to bury the truth in this matter, but I think it will eventually see the light of day. I guess as you say we will see who has been snookered and what they will admit. Til then I'll just keep the friends I have. No need for secret ones. :nails

 

[bubbabgone]

The Free Beacon (friends of the GOP) hired Fusion to do opposition research. When Trump was the obvious candidate the Free Beacon left the scene, and the DNC was offered the ability to continue research. As word of Russian dealings, hackings and other sitings became more public, Fusion turned to a Russia specialist, Steele, to join their team. So both sides were paying Fusion at one point. It is actually not illegal for information gathered for political purposes to be used by justice agencies. So I'm not seeing any need for you yet.

I would like to see your evidence that NONE of the information in the dossier has been verified. No one has ever claimed that it all had been verified. It has been shown that much information included in the dossier has been verified. A little light reading for you: Collusion by Luke Harding.

Having read all the press coverage today, I think it looks bad for Nunes to kiss ass for the president and release misstatements and missing context. Other than Trump, and his lying mouthpiece Sanders, no one is jumping in to defend this latest attempt to end the investigation.

Trump thinks this gives him enough cover to fire Rosenstein and put his own boy in there. Funny thing Rosenstein was his pick. And nothing in this memo proves any secret, illegal behavior by the FBI. Innuendo is all, disputed by McCabe, and everyone else mentioned in it.

It's gonna take a whole lot of truckloads of bulls*** to bury the truth in this matter, but I think it will eventually see the light of day. I guess as you say we will see who has been snookered and what they will admit. Til then I'll just keep the friends I have. No need for secret ones. :nails

Good grief, do you get ALL of your news from Schiraffe and MSNBC?
You're just repeating what they've said.
Think for yourself.
Expose yourself to more than those sources.
Read the memo, determine what you can show to be false and report your findings here.
But when you find that you can't, remember that I told you so.

 

[haymarket]

And he is SPOT ON that one of the people, in fact the only person inside the workings of DC, who can put a stop to this is Speaker Ryan. Where the hell is his head? This was the guy I was giddy as a schoolgirl to see Romney tap for his running mate. This was a young man I thought had such a brilliant future, no matter what happened. Since Trump came about he has been reduced to a caricature of his once admirable self, and an absolute whore for Trump and Nunes. It shocks and saddens me.

Sadly, Ryan has sold his political soul to Trump and made his deal with the devil and now stinks of sulphur. For some reason, the entire GOP in Congress with the exception of a very small number of people like John McCain have made a collective decision that their own elections and success hinge on the survival and success of Trump. Somebody sold them that bill of goods and they are now invested in it and own it. We have seen them go from opposition to Trump to acquiescence to Trump, to accepting the inevitability of Trump, to grudgingly voting for Trump , to all out support and enthusiasm for Trump. It has been a sad and discouraging transformation in which these Republicans have betrayed decades of principles and long standing beliefs just for Trump.

I thought Trump was a great pick for the GOP because he would lose and be the enema that the party needed to purge itself of the infection of right libertarians and tea party know nothings who had infected it and tried to hijack it. But then Trump won proving me wrong. But now it looks like Trump may still be than enema but it will just take a lot longer and water even hotter and higher in use to take effect and lots of others in the GOP will be purged along with the wing nuts.

Either that or the GOP does not survive as we know it.

 

[JMR]

Good grief, do you get ALL of your news from Schiraffe and MSNBC?
You're just repeating what they've said.
Think for yourself.
Expose yourself to more than those sources.
Read the memo, determine what you can show to be false and report your findings here.
But when you find that you can't, remember that I told you so.

And there you go, it seems you get your news from Fox. Are you screaming yet along with Hannity?

The memo is false, in that it is not inclusive of all information needed to make its case. Just for fun, how about you report your findings on this situation:

Carter Page has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he wasn't anybody, he did that before campaign, no collusion.

George Papodoupolis has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he was coffee boy, he did that before campaign, no collusion.

Paul Manafort has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he was here short time, he did that before campaign, no collusion.

Michael Flynn has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he must have lied to me, he he he he he's fired, no collusion.

Jeff Sessions meets with Russian diplomats during transition - He forgot! Trump didn't know! No collusion! No reason to recuse himself!!!

Donald Trump Jr. meets with Russians in Trump Tower - Trump didn't know, Jr. took a good meeting, Dad writes false statement regarding meeting.

Just a few head scratchers for you.

Then there is Putin's wish to have sanctions lifted, NATO weakened, and an unhampered ability to play in the Ukraine - Trump says yes sure ok.

Eagerly awaiting your report. :roll:

 

[bubbabgone]

And there you go, it seems you get your news from Fox. Are you screaming yet along with Hannity?

The memo is false, in that it is not inclusive of all information needed to make its case. Just for fun, how about you report your findings on this situation:

Carter Page has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he wasn't anybody, he did that before campaign, no collusion.

George Papodoupolis has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he was coffee boy, he did that before campaign, no collusion.

Paul Manafort has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he was here short time, he did that before campaign, no collusion.

Michael Flynn has extensive dealings with Russia - Trump says I didn't know, he must have lied to me, he he he he he's fired, no collusion.

Jeff Sessions meets with Russian diplomats during transition - He forgot! Trump didn't know! No collusion! No reason to recuse himself!!!

Donald Trump Jr. meets with Russians in Trump Tower - Trump didn't know, Jr. took a good meeting, Dad writes false statement regarding meeting.

Just a few head scratchers for you.

Then there is Putin's wish to have sanctions lifted, NATO weakened, and an unhampered ability to play in the Ukraine - Trump says yes sure ok.

Eagerly awaiting your report. :roll:

Is that really the reputation you want to develop for yourself here on DP? A Schiraffe parrot? Shallow off-topic talking points?
The topic is the memo.

I said ...
Think for yourself.
Expose yourself to more than those sources.
Read the memo, determine what you can show to be false.

You said "The memo is false, in that it is not inclusive of all information needed to make its case."
What was false?
If you don't have anything and need to careen off the topic then you don't have to respond.

 

[JMR]

Is that really the reputation you want to develop for yourself here on DP? A Schiraffe parrot? Shallow off-topic talking points?
The topic is the memo.

I said ...
Think for yourself.
Expose yourself to more than those sources.
Read the memo, determine what you can show to be false.

You said "The memo is false, in that it is not inclusive of all information needed to make its case."
What was false?
If you don't have anything and need to careen off the topic then you don't have to respond.

I am beginning to think that having you criticize my posts might aid my reputation.

If you do not care for my posts, don't read them, stop answering.

I have no obligation to write reports for you or to answer your questions to your liking.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yup remember " if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?

I do. And unlike the Trump devotees, I'm not hypocritical enough to have said that then and then say something different now.

 

[tres borrachos]

No, I didn't. I saw the link someone else provided on another thread that was valid.

Here, I found it

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...accuracies-in-controversial-gop-memo-n2441862

Not sure what that link has to do with this. It doesn't name any names at the FBI. Where's the validity?