5 Questions Nunes Memo Must Answer

[tres borrachos]

The FBI has reviewed the material in the memo and declared it factual.

Link?

 

[iliveonramen]

Ouch. As a lifelong Republican that article stung, but there is so much truth to it that I had to read it twice. He's right. Everything he said was right.

This part really made me almost cry:

Form Submission 1649” led to numerological kookspiracy speculation that would have made Louis Farrakhan proud. I kid you not, whackjobs were saying Hannity’s “1649” tweet was about the year when Charles the 1st was beheaded for treason by Cromwell. Uh huh. Sean Hannity knows about as much about Cromwell and Charles the 1st as he does about string theory.

Geezuschristonacracker. And you know what? It doesn't surprise me. How sad is that? It doesn't surprise me at all.

And he is SPOT ON that one of the people, in fact the only person inside the workings of DC, who can put a stop to this is Speaker Ryan. Where the hell is his head? This was the guy I was giddy as a schoolgirl to see Romney tap for his running mate. This was a young man I thought had such a brilliant future, no matter what happened. Since Trump came about he has been reduced to a caricature of his once admirable self, and an absolute whore for Trump and Nunes. It shocks and saddens me.

The Trump election was a major pivot and the party looks drastically different. I think Ryan leaving has a lot to do with that.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Ouch. As a lifelong Republican that article stung, but there is so much truth to it that I had to read it twice. He's right. Everything he said was right.

This part really made me almost cry:

Form Submission 1649” led to numerological kookspiracy speculation that would have made Louis Farrakhan proud. I kid you not, whackjobs were saying Hannity’s “1649” tweet was about the year when Charles the 1st was beheaded for treason by Cromwell. Uh huh. Sean Hannity knows about as much about Cromwell and Charles the 1st as he does about string theory.

Geezuschristonacracker. And you know what? It doesn't surprise me. How sad is that? It doesn't surprise me at all.

And he is SPOT ON that one of the people, in fact the only person inside the workings of DC, who can put a stop to this is Speaker Ryan. Where the hell is his head? This was the guy I was giddy as a schoolgirl to see Romney tap for his running mate. This was a young man I thought had such a brilliant future, no matter what happened. Since Trump came about he has been reduced to a caricature of his once admirable self, and an absolute whore for Trump and Nunes. It shocks and saddens me.

Paul Ryan is probably not cut out for leadership or for governing. He is probably the embodiment of the Peter principle, of a man promoted to a position he was not prepared for.

 

[iliveonramen]

Link?

I'd like a link as well. As of a few days ago both the DOJ and FBI were saying releasing the memo without either of them able to review it could be dangerous.

 

[tres borrachos]

I'd like a link as well. As of a few days ago both the DOJ and FBI were saying releasing the memo without either of them able to review it could be dangerous.

I haven't been glued to my telly admittedly, but I'd like to know when this happened. I haven't heard that the FBI declared anything to be "factual". Last I heard was that Nunes shared it with Wray on Sunday. I don't recall seeing any proclamations from Wray after that, but I'm sure that poster will let us know.

 

[JANFU]

That was terrible. It was nothing but a screed. How could you take any of that seriously? Who the hell is that?

Congress has oversight authority of the Executive branch.
And the Nunes memo is said to be based on classified DOJ/FBI material.

That link was an ignorant rant that makes Hannity look tame.

Did you read any or just skim thru?

 

[DamnYankee]

The FBI has reviewed the material in the memo and declared it factual.

Yep. As long as the memo is factual, and it is according to two FBI officials, those responsible for abuses should be given a fair trial and proper sentencing. None of this would be happening if the left wouldn't have corrupted the Bureau, DOJ, IRS, EPA, and every other damn thing they get their grubby hands on. They don't call it the Party of Corruption for nothing.

 

[holbritter]

So it's a vague paper written by a Republican Congressman? Nothing that can be fact checked. Nothing that is validated by anyone. Sounds legit.

That's a bit extreme. All I'm saying is it won't be a disertation like the writer of that article appears to insist it must be in order to have any validity.

 

[holbritter]

...So we end up with only the word of Benedict Arnold Nunes.

It wasn't written by Nunes.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

It wasn't written by Nunes.

It was released by the house intelligence Committee, which he is the chairman of.

 

[VanceMack]

There sure are a lot of people eager to try to first block the release of but in lieu of blocking, minimize the impact of the pending 'memo'.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yep. As long as the memo is factual, and it is according to two FBI officials, those responsible for abuses should be given a fair trial and proper sentencing. None of this would be happening if the left wouldn't have corrupted the Bureau, DOJ, IRS, EPA, and every other damn thing they get their grubby hands on. They don't call it the Party of Corruption for nothing.

Which two officials? Link? He didn't produce one and a few of us asked. Can you please give us a link?

 

[JMR]

I know her intention was to detail the rigorous FISA requirements.
She did that.
But what she didn't do was address why the history and lack of corroboration of the dossier should preclude it from even being mentioned in a warrant request at all.
If Nunes can show evidence that the dossier was used in a warrant application, even in part, then that's a problem.
The followon would then require who was involved in making the application at the beginning.
And it wouldn't have to implicate the entire DOJ & FBI in a conspiracy.

I have an idea about the denouement and the response to it ... but that's for another thread.

Some of the dossier has been corroborated. The dossier contained information that the FBI also had been previously investigating. Page was well known to the FBI, and he turned up in the dossier also.
So it appears that Nunes would like to muddy the trail a bit and likely gain the attention of Trump supporters.

 

[JMR]

Trump wants the memo released, but not till after his Speech. Does not want to be distracted. Excellent time for a leak.:mrgreen: 3 hours and counting.....

 

[Casper]

A former FBI talks about the Nunes memo and what needs to be in it for it to implicate anything.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in FISA warrants and most likely most people only know they exist and what they are used for. The author goes a bit deeper and gives context. Well worth the read.

https://www.justsecurity.org/51630/five-questions-nunes-memo-answer/

Excellent Post, thanks for providing that for our reading and informational digestion. Well Done.

 

[Casper]

Yep. As long as the memo is factual, and it is according to two FBI officials, those responsible for abuses should be given a fair trial and proper sentencing. None of this would be happening if the left wouldn't have corrupted the Bureau, DOJ, IRS, EPA, and every other damn thing they get their grubby hands on. They don't call it the Party of Corruption for nothing.

You actually believe the "Big Conspiracy" nonsense, don't ya..............Good Grief:roll:

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Exactly, all of those people have to be complicit....then...none of them can leak what just happened.


The election of Donald Trump has opened my eyes to a lot of things. The fact such a sizable number of Republicans have not only supported Trump but cast aside SO MANY core values they claimed they stood for. It's crazy.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with Rick Wilson but this is a good article where he dives into the conspiracy theory angle of the Republican party and how it's changed.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-gop-a-conspiracy-of-dunces?source=twitter&via=desktop

That's pretty funny - and scary. The fact that most of the GOP isn't exploding from the absurdity or from cognitive dissonance is baffling. It's like they sold their minds, hearts and souls. Wonder what they got in exchange for being slaves to the orange buffoon?

From the link:

Secret societies, government agents of dubious loyalties, dark cabals who work from shadowy bureaucracies seeking to overthrow the president of the United States, sinister masterminds exercising fell powers to serve a diabolical conspiracy, occult powers that shift the levers of control in mysterious ways—no, it’s not X-Files fan fiction or some modern-day Lovecraft reboot. It’s today’s GOP.

The Republican Party’s head-first dive into breathless conspiratorial fantasies in defense of Donald Trump is a brand-defining moment as the Party of Lincoln morphs into the Party of LaRouche. Listening as members of Congress, the Fox News/talk-radio world and the constellation of bat****-crazy people drawn to Esoteric Trumpism adopt increasingly baroque theories to protect The Donald isn’t just depressing; it’s tragic. A diseased slurry of fake news, post-Truth Trumpism, and Russkie agitprop infects the Republican Party. It’s an ebola of wild-eyed MK-ULTRA paranoiac raving, spreading to every organ of the Republican body politic.

This loon-centric new world of crazy talk has dissolved the old ideological skeleton of the GOP and reduced it from the Conservative Party of Ideas to the Crackpot Party of Infowars. Covering up the connections among Donald Trump, his campaign officials, and family members with Russia, and this president’s efforts to obstruct justice and derail special counsel Robert Mueller will come at a still-untallied cost to our nation, our institutions, and the dignity and reputation of the GOP. It’s going to get worse as Mueller closes in.

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The second problem with the memo is that Team Fredo broke the central rule of politics: Underpromise and over-deliver. If the Nunes Grimoire of Eldritch Deep State Perfidy was radioactive and contained evidence of an immediate and existential threat to our democracy posed by rogue FBI agents wielding bogus FISA applications, why won’t Nunes share it with his Senate counterparts? Why won’t he allow the Trump Justice Department to examine it? Why did he whip the intelligence committee to prevent the release of a rebuttal? It’s simple: There’s so little there that no serious person would blow out U.S. intelligence sources and methods to win a political point defending Donald Trump. No one, except Nunes, his cronies, and the House leadership who allow his continued depredations on the rule of law.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Yep. As long as the memo is factual, and it is according to two FBI officials, those responsible for abuses should be given a fair trial and proper sentencing. None of this would be happening if the left wouldn't have corrupted the Bureau, DOJ, IRS, EPA, and every other damn thing they get their grubby hands on. They don't call it the Party of Corruption for nothing.

Not really. Facts removed from context can be made to indicate something entirely different than they would in the original context. And, who are these

As long as the memo is factual, and it is according to two FBI officials

FBI folks who have signed off on this thing Nune's peeps wrote as being "factual"?

I'm not impressed. Maybe you can change that, but I doubt it.

I love that you think the "left"

corrupted the Bureau, DOJ, IRS, EPA, and every other damn thing

while Republicans controlled the house, senate and SCOTUS. Man, what are you on???

 

[humbolt]

Link?

It's Patrick Ward - Chris Wallace's producer. He tweeted: “Two Senior FBI officials have now reviewed the Republican staff memo,” the Devin Nunes memo “a source familiar with the matter tells Fox News, adding that the officials ‘could not point to any factual inaccuracies,'”

I trust Wallace and his team. This is part of the WH review of the document in the five day window. I'm sure we'll hear more. Given that much of what is included has it's origination at the FBI and DOJ, this shouldn't be surprise. Now, I'll grant there's an un-named source(s) here, but entire constructions and many threads here have been devoted to less.

 

[bubbabgone]

The DOJ would have to approve a FISA application and a Judge would have to rule on it. The idea that the Dossier with not evidence would be accepted would mean that all of them either failed at their job or were apart of the "conspiracy".

Like I said "It just takes the right people in the right places at the jump."
And the judge doesn't have to be one of them.

 

[humbolt]

Yep. As long as the memo is factual, and it is according to two FBI officials, those responsible for abuses should be given a fair trial and proper sentencing. None of this would be happening if the left wouldn't have corrupted the Bureau, DOJ, IRS, EPA, and every other damn thing they get their grubby hands on. They don't call it the Party of Corruption for nothing.

I'm sure that at this juncture, nothing not factual would've been discarded. It's a serious matter. It's given that the upper levels of such agencies will promote the agenda of the Executive. That's normal. When it comes to political warfare, as we see here, it's gone too far. I'd prefer that all of it, including the Schiff memo, be released. I want it all out in the open. If heads need to fall, regardless of who it may be, so be it. From what I've read so far, nobody but Schiff seems to know what's in his memo. All I can say is to send it to Comey. He'll leak it. According to Priebus, who I trust, Comey and McCabe set him up. It ain't pretty. None of it.

 

[azgreg]

FBI officials review surveillance memo, could not cite 'any factual inaccuracies': source | Fox News

 

[bubbabgone]

Did you read any or just skim thru?

I read it.
In addition to exposing the guy as ignorant as noted, it also would tend to leave any reader with the image of a whirling dervish spewing spittle all over his keyboard.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

He lost me at “Hardcore tin foil hats”. Everyone aside from CNN and MSNBC should expect the democrats to try to blunt the veracity of “the Memo”. This is only the first of many reports of this kind you can expect to see.

LOL! No veracity of the memo has been ascertained yet. You're talking about something not yet proven (and very unlikely) to exist.

 

[bubbabgone]

Some of the dossier has been corroborated. The dossier contained information that the FBI also had been previously investigating. Page was well known to the FBI, and he turned up in the dossier also.
So it appears that Nunes would like to muddy the trail a bit and likely gain the attention of Trump supporters.

The only thing corroborated was that Carter Paige went to Russia ... corroborated because he never tried to hide it. What he was accused of doing there was never corroborated.
Something has been corroborated?
What?