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4-year-old boy shot dead allegedly by 5-year-old sibling while mom slept in another room: Police

Nope. Can't do that because it would result in a database of gun owners, and that is a slippery slope to tyranny, dontchaknow?

No, you don't want it because it would probably increase gun ownership and save lives at the same time. You weighed the costs and benefits and realized you prefer more dead as along as there are less gun owners.
 
Nope. Can't do that because it would result in a database of gun owners, and that is a slippery slope to tyranny, dontchaknow?

Having a free class anyone can take isn't the slippery slope, it's when you require one as a prerequisite to purchase a fire arm that approaches it IMO. If you want to require a fire arms safety class in order to exercise a right then tie it into a requirement to vote then everyone will get it without creating a database specifically targeting gun owners.
 
you are making up stuff I never said. I am merely saying that you are an anti gun extremist and you are engaged in the disgusting activity of using this tragedy to try to advance your hatred of the second amendment. You know that the second amendment has nothing to do with this. It is as stupid as blaming the repeal of the amendment banning booze with say the infamous Carroll Ky, bus fire, where a drunk driver slammed into a school bus and a bunch of students died in the fire.

Then tell me, will this woman be charged with a crime? Again, I give you even odds that she will not be prosecuted. "She's suffered enough," is what they will tells us.

No matter how the next tragedy unfolds, whether it is a mass killing by a madman or a baby being blown away with a gun for self protection, you will once again stand up for our beloved 2nd amendment. No matter how many innocents die needlessly, we must never, ever do anything to curtail access to firearms under any circumstances.
 
Then tell me, will this woman be charged with a crime? Again, I give you even odds that she will not be prosecuted. "She's suffered enough," is what they will tells us.

No matter how the next tragedy unfolds, whether it is a mass killing by a madman or a baby being blown away with a gun for self protection, you will once again stand up for our beloved 2nd amendment. No matter how many innocents die needlessly, we must never, ever do anything to curtail access to firearms under any circumstances.

well she lost a child--should the other child be deprived of her mother? If the purpose of punishment is revenge-than maybe she should go to jail but that punishes the child who remains more. If the purpose is deterrence, than its stupid since if the idea of losing a child if you leave a gun out doesn't deter you then a short stint in jail won't

I do note that gun banners are big on punishing people like this but they don't seem too keen on punishing felons caught with firearms or those who use firearms to harm others.

In fact, most gun banners see the NRA and gun owners as the enemy, not violent criminals

Your silly hatred of the Second Amendment is duly noted
 
Then tell me, will this woman be charged with a crime? Again, I give you even odds that she will not be prosecuted. "She's suffered enough," is what they will tells us.

No matter how the next tragedy unfolds, whether it is a mass killing by a madman or a baby being blown away with a gun for self protection, you will once again stand up for our beloved 2nd amendment. No matter how many innocents die needlessly, we must never, ever do anything to curtail access to firearms under any circumstances.

Would you suggest that she be charged with "access to firearms"? Reasonable folks do not leave their gun(s) accessible to young children but the news story does not mention who owned the gun or where it was kept. No law can fix stupid, yet the stupidity of some is not cause to remove the rights of all.
 
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Well, what can be said? Simply another sacrifice on the sacred altar of the 2nd amendment.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, etc., etc.

What the hell was the parent doing sleeping while her youngsters were roaming the house playing with mommy dearest's gun?

All kinds of things the mother of these two children could have done and as a result because she didn't she'll be charged appropriately with criminal negligence.

Why don't you like the law?

Under Texas law, if a child under 17 years of age gains access to a readily dischargeable firearm (i.e., loaded with ammunition, whether or not a round is in the chamber), a person is criminally liable if he or she, “with criminal negligence:”

Failed to secure the firearm (i.e., to take steps a reasonable person would take to prevent the access to a readily dischargeable firearm by a child, including but not limited to placing a firearm in a locked container or temporarily rendering the firearm inoperable by a trigger lock or other means); or
Left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known the child would gain access.1

Child Access Prevention: State by State | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
 
What the hell was the parent doing sleeping while her youngsters were roaming the house playing with mommy dearest's gun?

All kinds of things the mother of these two children could have done and as a result because she didn't she'll be charged appropriately with criminal negligence.

Why don't you like the law?



Child Access Prevention: State by State | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

From the OP link we don't even know who owned the gun or where/how it was stored.
 
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Well, what can be said? Simply another sacrifice on the sacred altar of the 2nd amendment.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, etc., etc.
We have laws against leaving guns available to kids.
 
How many kids drowned this summer because idiot parents left the pool unsecured?

How many died in hot cars because some idiot parent left them there on a 95 degree day?

How many kids died this year of chemical poisoning because an idiot parent didn't lock up the cabinet?

This list could be quite long.

Kids die every day from preventable accidents. This summer a neighbor kid died, a 5 year old, fell off the ladder his father had left leaning against the house.

Let's hold ALL these parents accountable and give out some severe prison sentences to teach them a good lesson !!!!!!
More kids die from pools than guns.
 
We have laws against leaving guns available to kids.

We have laws against running stop signs, exceeding the posted speed limit and distracted driving too, yet such "accidents" are rarely prosecuted as crimes.
 
We have laws against running stop signs, exceeding the posted speed limit and distracted driving too, yet such "accidents" are rarely prosecuted as crimes.
They prosecute people who speed and kill all the time. If you blow through a stop sign you may well get prosecuted.
 
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Bad thing happens; liberals hysterically demand that Constitution be burned...

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They prosecute people who speed a kill all the time.

??? Try finding links for the prosecution of the estimated 10K killed in speeding caused "accidents" every year.
 
??? Try finding links for the prosecution of the estimated 10K killed in speeding caused "accidents" every year.
We had a kid who lived with us for 3 or 4 months. He had been speeding and blew through a stop light an T bone a family of 3 and killed them all. He got probation but had to wear a ankle bracelet and had a probation officer he had to see. He later got caught running from the cops on a motorcycle which violated his probation and landed him in jail. So yeah accidents that kill while you are breaking the law can land you in prison.
 
??? Try finding links for the prosecution of the estimated 10K killed in speeding caused "accidents" every year.

In general, the difference between murder and manslaughter is that murder requires an intent to kill (or to inflict great bodily injury), but manslaughter does not. Thus, a defendant does not have to intend to kill or injure anyone in order to be guilty of vehicular manslaughter. To be convicted of vehicular manslaughter in most jurisdictions, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that:

the driver operated a motor vehicle in a reckless or grossly (severely) negligent manner, and
the driver’s conduct caused a fatality.
Reckless or grossly negligent conduct poses a more severe and obvious threat of death than mere carelessness or simple negligence. Recklessness and gross negligence can be shown in a variety of ways, such as driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol or violating certain traffic laws, like speeding, texting while driving, or deliberately running a red light. Ignoring a warning not to drive while taking prescription medication could also constitute reckless and gross negligence, and so could driving with a known medical condition that could affect your ability to drive safely. The extent of the danger created by the driver’s actions will usually determine whether the defendant is charged with simple or aggravated (meaning more serious) vehicular manslaughter. Aggravated felonies carry stiffer penalties.
Driving Deaths and Manslaughter - Lawyers.com
 
This is why I support safe storage laws for any home with children under age 16 in them. The mother is to blame here not the 2nd Amendment.

At least the OP didn't claim an UBC or Assault weapons ban could of prevented this.

The only problem with that, is some people can't afford a gun safe. That's an infringement on their rights. It deprives poor people of the ability to defend themselves; the very folks that need to be able to defend themselves the most.
 
The only problem with that, is some people can't afford a gun safe. That's an infringement on their rights. It deprives poor people of the ability to defend themselves; the very folks that need to be able to defend themselves the most.
Trigger locks are cheap and some organizations give them away.
 
We had a kid who lived with us for 3 or 4 months. He had been speeding and blew through a stop light an T bone a family of 3 and killed them all. He got probation but had to wear a ankle bracelet and had a probation officer he had to see. He later got caught running from the cops on a motorcycle which violated his probation and landed him in jail. So yeah accidents that kill while you are breaking the law can land you in prison.

In rare cases yes, but as a rule nope. Even your own anecdote mentions no jail time for the intitial 3 homicides.
 
You need to take a training course in order to learn not to leave a loaded firearm around small children?

It doesn't have to be a requirement. Why not offer a free firearm training course to anyone who wants it?

Training is a good idea, however you set it up. What training does is create a mindset. If it is safety training, of any type, and most all industries do it now; it's like muscle memory for your mind. Go over and over it until it becomes second nature. So yes, safety training directed at keeping guns away from small children would have a beneficial effect.
 
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Well, what can be said? Simply another sacrifice on the sacred altar of the 2nd amendment.

Oh yeah, almost forgot: Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, etc., etc.

The five-year-old boy lost a brother (by killing him) and a mother (who should go to prison for child endangerment, child neglect, and negligence). She shouldn't have been sleeping with two young children unattended in the house anyway, but on top of that, she left a loaded gun within their reach? This is so sad.
 
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