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3D-printed gun blueprints can be downloaded starting next month, ending lengthy legal battle

vegas giants said:
I suppose we can cross that bridge when we get there. I'm sure you would agree they are not a factor now.
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Right this very second, nope they're not. They will be though. I'd suggest you change your strategy before then though. ;)

vegas giants said:
Is gun powder and ammo 3D printed?
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Gun powder is easy to make from materials that you can find in any grocery store. And the casings..well...if a 3D printer can make a gun I'm pretty sure that casings can be made also.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Right this very second, nope they're not. They will be though. I'd suggest you change your strategy before then though. ;)



Gun powder is easy to make from materials that you can find in any grocery store. And the casings..well...if a 3D printer can make a gun I'm pretty sure that casings can be made also.
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Until this becomes a problem....it is not a problem. Guns can be made in any machine shop....no 3 d printer required. That has been true for many decades. 3 D is a non issue
 
Now all you need is a cheap, $150,000 metal 3d printer.
 
vegas giants said:
Gun powder can be 3 d printed???
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The components can be printed. Gunpowder can be printed into different physical configurations for custom burn rate and pressure propagation. Fine powders could be made into solid or semi-solid forms just through printing. Further different materials which would not ordinarily be considered for bullet propulsion can be now because of the nature of additive manufacturing processess.

Literally, anything that burns naturally or through modified physical property or form can be considered for bullet propulsion.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Right this very second, nope they're not. They will be though. I'd suggest you change your strategy before then though. ;)



Gun powder is easy to make from materials that you can find in any grocery store. And the casings..well...if a 3D printer can make a gun I'm pretty sure that casings can be made also.
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Don't need primers or casings. Alternatives exist for both.
 
PirateMk1 said:
The components can be printed. Gunpowder can be printed into different physical configurations for custom burn rate and pressure propagation. Fine powders could be made into solid or semi-solid forms just through printing. Further different materials which would not ordinarily be considered for bullet propulsion can be now because of the nature of additive manufacturing processess.
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Which requires a lot of specialized expertise. Quicker and cheaper to make a gun in a machine shop. Which is not a factor now
 
vegas giants said:
Until this becomes a problem....it is not a problem. Guns can be made in any machine shop....no 3 d printer required. That has been true for many decades. 3 D is a non issue
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So no thinking ahead to the future? You can only think short term?

And there is a VAST difference between a machine shop making a gun and a 3D Printer. In order to make a gun in a machine shop you actually have to know what the heck you're doing. A skill set that only a relatively few has. Once 3D metal Printers become mainstream all you need is a blue print or a scanner to scan another gun. And to know where to hit the "print" button. That's it. Even a child could print a 3D gun.
 
vegas giants said:
Which requires a lot of specialized expertise. Quicker and cheaper to make a gun in a machine shop. Which is not a factor now
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Nope, because you can buy it already pre-mixed. And since the materials are in raw form and can be used for multiple things...good luck banning that.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So no thinking ahead to the future? You can only think short term?

And there is a VAST difference between a machine shop making a gun and a 3D Printer. In order to make a gun in a machine shop you actually have to know what the heck you're doing. A skill set that only a relatively few has. Once 3D metal Printers become mainstream all you need is a blue print or a scanner to scan another gun. And to know where to hit the "print" button. That's it. Even a child could print a 3D gun.
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And as I said then we just control gun powder and primers. Can you 3 D print them?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nope, because you can buy it already pre-mixed. And since the materials are in raw form and can be used for multiple things...good luck banning that.
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You understand all that can be controlled by law......don't you?
 
vegas giants said:
And as I said then we just control gun powder and primers. Can you 3 D print them?
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And as I said, they can be made using materials found in most grocery stores. Or as PirateMk1 said, alternatives can be used that can be 3D Printed.
 
Kal'Stang said:
And as I said, they can be made using materials found in most grocery stores. Or as PirateMk1 said, alternatives can be used that can be 3D Printed.
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As I said that requires specialized training. Not an issue now and people could have been doing this for decades so I am not really worried about the future
 
Kal'Stang said:
How is the law going to stop the raw materials? The same raw materials that can be used to make tons of other things that have nothing to do with guns.
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Not stop them. Control them. This is a non issue and if it would have been a problem it would have been a problem when the drill press and metal lathe was invented. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
As I said that requires specialized training. Not an issue now and people could have been doing this for decades so I am not really worried about the future
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No it doesn't. The raw materials come in cartridges just like ink for a printer. The computer and printer mixes it into the appropriate compound. All you need is a computer. Like I said, kids could do it.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No it doesn't. The raw materials come in cartridges just like ink for a printer. The computer and printer mixes it into the appropriate compound. All you need is a computer. Like I said, kids could do it.
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And none of that can be regulated???
 
vegas giants said:
Not stop them. Control them. This is a non issue and if it would have been a problem it would have been a problem when the drill press and metal lathe was invented. LOL
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Control them how? I don't think you're getting it. The raw materials do not need to come mixed already. Just like how a color printer has more than one cartridge so to does a 3D printer. The individual raw materials can be combined via a computer and the 3D Printer to make compounds. The individual raw materials can be used to make thousands of other objects that have nothing to do with guns. How are you going to control the raw materials when you have no clue who is going to make what what?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Control them how? I don't think you're getting it. The raw materials do not need to come mixed already. Just like how a color printer has more than one cartridge so to does a 3D printer. The individual raw materials can be combined via a computer and the 3D Printer to make compounds. The individual raw materials can be used to make thousands of other objects that have nothing to do with guns. How are you going to control the raw materials when you have no clue who is going to make what what?
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Again can they make gun powder and primers. To make that requires specialized training. Hell we control the raw materials to make meth NOW. I am not worried in the slightest. If this is a problem it is 50 years away at best.

We have children that need saving today. Gun control works
 
vegas giants said:
And none of that can be regulated???
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Let's put it this way. It would actually be easier to ban 3D Printers than it would be to control the raw materials. But banning 3D printers would be a huge mistake considering that they are using them to make thousands of products right now. Right this very instant. And by thousands I literally mean THOUSANDS. They are even using 3D Printers to make food. And they're figuring out how to make organs that can be transplanted into humans with 3D Printers.

Face it Vegas, the cat is out of the bag and its NOT going back in.
 
Alright, so those in the know...

Has the technology improved to make these things more reliable?

Are they still more proof of concept?

How is the arms industry reacting to this?

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Kal'Stang said:
Let's put it this way. It would actually be easier to ban 3D Printers than it would be to control the raw materials. But banning 3D printers would be a huge mistake considering that they are using them to make thousands of products right now. Right this very instant. And by thousands I literally mean THOUSANDS. They are even using 3D Printers to make food. And they're figuring out how to make organs that can be transplanted into humans with 3D Printers.

Face it Vegas, the cat is out of the bag and its NOT going back in.
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Face it Kal. You want it both ways. If you say all this won't be affected by regulation then who cares if they pass those laws....but you don't want them to pass those laws.


This is a non issue
 
Kal'Stang said:
Thanks to Master Po for providing this link in another thread. I thought that it deserves its own thread.

3D-printed gun blueprints can be downloaded starting next month, ending lengthy legal battle



While I applaud this I seriously wonder why the government actually thought that it was possible to actually stop blueprints for guns from being made. Anyone with the right coding skills can easily make such a blueprint. Add to that the fact that anyone (even those without coding experience) can 3D scan items into computers such a battle would be impossible to enforce to ANY degree of success.

Dummies ~ How to Scan Objects for 3D Printing
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Old news.
 
Linc said:
And with this will come the latest round of ‘unintended’ consequences from the NRA.
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....no.

If anything, this is perhaps an unintended consequence of our vibrant liberal to social libertarian Silicon Valley.

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