15 Year Old German Girl Stabbed to Death by her Afghan Refugee Boyfriend

[truthatallcost]

This German girl broke up with the Afghan refugee in December, which was the prime motive of the heinous crime. The boy in custody should at least be jailed for 10 years. An identical incident has just happened in northern Virginia.

What part of Europe is northern Virginia in?

 

[truthatallcost]

Germans have been at the epicenter of mass herding via atrocity propaganda, much worse than white Americans have been. Part of that propaganda is that "we're all the same," so it doesn't matter.

Never mind that the "all the same" line was never qualified with evidence. You either believe it or you're Hitler.

Interesting. You'd almost come to think that the merchants of atrocity propaganda are profiting enormously from it. I wonder if the same people who invented modern day advertising techniques are the same ones who push atrocity propaganda?

 

[truthatallcost]

Asinine is blaming all Muslim refugees because some commit crimes.

It's even more asinine to pretend that refugees are an asset to Germany, when no evidence validates that idea.

 

[calamity]

It's even more asinine to pretend that refugees are an asset to Germany, when no evidence validates that idea.

I don't run Germany. But I do read that they have a need for people and have some plans on how to develop the refugees into a valuable human resource. Time will tell.

What will not work? Being racists and blaming the whole for the improper actions of a few :roll:

 

[HowardBThiname]

Asinine is blaming all Muslim refugees because some commit crimes.

I agree. We cannot blame all Muslim refugees for the crimes of a handful. We can never punish the innocent for what the guilty do.

That said, we can't really ignore cultural differences that increase the risk of some types of crimes. The western world has come too far, and struggled too hard, to allow cultural differences to negatively impact our progress.

We're seeing immigrants that do not feel the same way we do about women's rights and gay's rights, but we can't allow ourselves to let them get by with those attitudes, it's not fair to their victims. Now, I know what you're saying -- that a crime is a crime -- and you're right, but we do know that prevailing attitudes can lead to higher incidences of some crimes.

I, personally, have a big problem when I see women covered from head to toe in fabric, with nothing but a slit for their eyes. That's not fair to them. Some will say that they willingly dress like that -- and probably so -- but it's still not right that we accept it, because it subordinates them. I remember when men used to get away with abusing their wives, because their wives refused to press charges. We understood as a society that those women were too subordinated to stand up for their own rights so we took the choice of whether or not to prosecute their husbands away from them. Now, the state prosecutes them.

We have to stand up for those least able to stand up in our societies, and that means females. We have to insist that every citizen, migrant, refugee or immigrant know that we demand a certain level of respect and behavior. When we see trends we have to act to reduce them. We don't have to blame the innocent to do that -- we just have to make it very clear that some behaviors and ideas are not welcome and that they won't be tolerated.

 

[truthatallcost]

I don't run Germany. But I do read that they have a need for people and have some plans on how to develop the refugees into a valuable human resource. Time will tell.

What will not work? Being racists and blaming the whole for the improper actions of a few :roll:

It's your kind of thinking that got Germany into this mess. Looking after the interests of Germans by denying refugees free everything is racist to you. Yes, free everything, because once they enter Germany, they aren't capable of doing anything else besides have all their needs taken care of by Germany.

What possible favorable outcome is there for Germany in that? Absolutely none.

 

[calamity]

It's your kind of thinking that got Germany into this mess. Looking after the interests of Germans by denying refugees free everything is racist to you. Yes, free everything, because once they enter Germany, they aren't capable of doing anything else besides have all their needs taken care of by Germany.

What possible favorable outcome is there for Germany in that? Absolutely none.

The goal, I am sure, is to impart on these people, especially their offspring, a German work ethic. Maybe the German leaders aren't as cynical as you and have higher expectations of their fellow man. Just a thought.

 

[calamity]

I agree. We cannot blame all Muslim refugees for the crimes of a handful. We can never punish the innocent for what the guilty do.

That said, we can't really ignore cultural differences that increase the risk of some types of crimes. The western world has come too far, and struggled too hard, to allow cultural differences to negatively impact our progress.

We're seeing immigrants that do not feel the same way we do about women's rights and gay's rights, but we can't allow ourselves to let them get by with those attitudes, it's not fair to their victims. Now, I know what you're saying -- that a crime is a crime -- and you're right, but we do know that prevailing attitudes can lead to higher incidences of some crimes.

I, personally, have a big problem when I see women covered from head to toe in fabric, with nothing but a slit for their eyes. That's not fair to them. Some will say that they willingly dress like that -- and probably so -- but it's still not right that we accept it, because it subordinates them. I remember when men used to get away with abusing their wives, because their wives refused to press charges. We understood as a society that those women were too subordinated to stand up for their own rights so we took the choice of whether or not to prosecute their husbands away from them. Now, the state prosecutes them.

We have to stand up for those least able to stand up in our societies, and that means females. We have to insist that every citizen, migrant, refugee or immigrant know that we demand a certain level of respect and behavior. When we see trends we have to act to reduce them. We don't have to blame the innocent to do that -- we just have to make it very clear that some behaviors and ideas are not welcome and that they won't be tolerated.

Oh, on that (the bold) I agree. But, I certainly am not disillusioned enough to think that only refugees from Muslim countries have this problem. White, born American males, for example, do their own share of killing the women who try to break off a relationship. It is certainly not a Muslim only thing.

As for the headdress and other stupid cultural restrictions Muslims put on female equality, yeah. That **** needs to be left at the border. But, blaming all Muslims for family honor killings is not really fair play. It would be like blaming all military veterans for blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Oh, on that (the bold) I agree. But, I certainly am not disillusioned enough to think that only refugees from Muslim countries have this problem. White, born American males, for example, do their own share of killing the women who try to break off a relationship. It is certainly not a Muslim only thing.

As for the headdress and other stupid cultural restrictions Muslims put on female equality, yeah. That **** needs to be left at the border. But, blaming all Muslims for family honor killings is not really fair play. It would be like blaming all military veterans for blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.

You're right, we have to be careful not to blame an entire culture when the majority have every intention of behaving.

 

[eohrnberger]

Opinion: Murder of German girl will have political consequences | Germany | DW | 29.12.2017

Apparently she dated the guy for a while, and when she tried to break it off, he became territorial of her. Imagine that. The girl's parents contacted police, who promptly let her be killed, as most European police forces are impotent and tame as ***** cats.

This story is newsworthy, as German law states that a juvenile can only be sentenced to a maximum of 10 years in prison, but authorities are in doubt that the Afghan refugee is actually a 'boy' at all, but rather a grown man who claimed to be underage in order to gain entry to Germany and their naive females.

The parents of the dead 15 year old girl also stated that they believed the Afghan refugee was actually a full grown adult pretending to be a juvenile.

43% of refugees admitted into Germany by claiming to be unaccompanied minors are actually full grown adults.

Thank the good lawds that there's been no negative side effects of the Refugee Surge though! All those softies with 'Refugees Welcome' signs have proven themselves to have the foresight of a potato. And the intellect of a baked potato.

There's going to be quite a bit of this crap going on in the EU nations (especially Sweden - from what I occasionally see on the Internet) which threw their door and arms wide open, and not knowing what they were welcoming into their countries.

I guess it serves them right for being fundamentally stupid and agenda driven about an important issue. Here in the US, the political left would make the same decision, but have run into some resistance, thank goodness.

 

[truthatallcost]

The goal, I am sure, is to impart on these people, especially their offspring, a German work ethic. Maybe the German leaders aren't as cynical as you and have higher expectations of their fellow man. Just a thought.

Merkel was opposed to welcoming refugees at first. Since she flip-flopped, the results of the refugee surge into Germany have almost single handedly motivated many Germans to vote for the AfD party, which represents the far-right in Deutschland.

When do you stop being a dreamer, and start being pragmatic?

 

[calamity]

Merkel was opposed to welcoming refugees at first. Since she flip-flopped, the results of the refugee surge into Germany have almost single handedly motivated many Germans to vote for the AfD party, which represents the far-right in Deutschland.

When do you stop being a dreamer, and start being pragmatic?

Why would I be a dreamer? I never said I agree with the German move. I only say that lumping in the whole for the bad acts of the few is bad.

Personally, I believe Germany is overcrowded. They can use a little depop.

 

[truthatallcost]

There's going to be quite a bit of this crap going on in the EU nations (especially Sweden - from what I occasionally see on the Internet) which threw their door and arms wide open, and not knowing what they were welcoming into their countries.

I guess it serves them right for being fundamentally stupid and agenda driven about an important issue. Here in the US, the political left would make the same decision, but have run into some resistance, thank goodness.

Agree with everything you said, except the bit about Germans deserving this. Average Germans were forced into this, victims of bad governance. They've also been victim of a 70 year campaign to strip them of their natural human pride in who they are, by the merchants of guilt, who feel it's appropriate to blame Germans living today for what their grandparents or great-granparents may have been forced to do.

 

[eohrnberger]

Agree with everything you said, except the bit about Germans deserving this. Average Germans were forced into this, victims of bad governance. They've also been victim of a 70 year campaign to strip them of their natural human pride in who they are, by the merchants of guilt, who feel it's appropriate to blame Germans living today for what their grandparents or great-granparents may have been forced to do.

But then, who elected the present governmnet? The same government that allowed all these refugees in.

No, the entire thing has its roots in the liberal / progressive agenda with a good dose of 'white privilege' thrown in, something that's been going on in Germany, and other EU nations for that matter, for some 20 years, and the results of this is the thinking and decision making process that led to this set of circumstances.

So who fell into this pattern of thinking and decision making? All of the populations of these EU nations.

The US, and it's liberal / progressive indoctrination centers (AKA Higher education) might be about 10 years behind the EU nations. The question is whether those 10 years are enough to avert the same disastrous thinking and decision making process, or not.

As to blaming, no, I don't think I'm blaming "Germans living today for what their grandparents or great-granparents may have been forced to do", as per the thinking and decision making they themselves were party to in allowing and promoting.

 

[truthatallcost]

Why would I be a dreamer? I never said I agree with the German move. I only say that lumping in the whole for the bad acts of the few is bad.

Personally, I believe Germany is overcrowded. They can use a little depop.

How do you propose Germany manage that? By admitting people who have 4-5 kids a piece? Your posts are facepalming each other now.

 

[calamity]

How do you propose Germany manage that? By admitting people who have 4-5 kids a piece? Your posts are facepalming each other now.

I said in my opinion they could use some depop. In their opinion, they rather not.

I suspect it's because they fear running out of money to feed their retirement welfare state. I believe in robots. So, I have no fear of running out of money just because you are running a bit short on young people.

 

[ThirdTerm]

The Afghan boy arrived in Germany as an unaccompanied minor and stayed at a youth detention center for some time. I think Germany should send these unaccompanied children back home to be reunited with their families. Without parental supervision, they are more likely to commit crimes. This can be said about illegal immigrants from Mexico arriving at the US border as unaccompanied minors, who are gaming the system.

 

[Evilroddy]

Truthatallcosts:

You should really rename yourself "spreadfearatallcosts". Your apparent hate and need to spread distrust and religious-based xenophobia cause me to recall this incident:

A troll demanded a Muslim man show examples of 'Christian terrorists.' He delivered.

I pity you for demonstrating such a poisoned and isolationist world view. Raise your head up and learn about the world around you rather than demonising it to reinforce your splendid isolation and wilfully maintained ignorance. Travel to a Muslim majority country which is not racked by foreign war and speak to the people living there. They may surprise you.

Evilroddy.

 

[Soopairik]

So what's your take on stopping this? Ban all refugees, or more restrictions?

 

[truthatallcost]

Truthatallcosts:

You should really rename yourself "spreadfearatallcosts". Your apparent hate and need to spread distrust and religious-based xenophobia cause me to recall this incident:

A troll demanded a Muslim man show examples of 'Christian terrorists.' He delivered.

I pity you for demonstrating such a poisoned and isolationist world view. Raise your head up and learn about the world around you rather than demonising it to reinforce your splendid isolation and wilfully maintained ignorance. Travel to a Muslim majority country which is not racked by foreign war and speak to the people living there. They may surprise you.

Evilroddy.

Your country is spending $35 million to reintegrate ISIS terrorists into Canada, and I've a sneaking suspicion that you're fine with that by your attitude here. Some people never learn.

 

[truthatallcost]

So what's your take on stopping this? Ban all refugees, or more restrictions?

We need the government to release an honest accounting of whether or not migration from the Muslim world is benefitting the country as a whole, or not. We can't keep running our immigration like a homeless shelter and not expect poverty, overcrowding, and higher crime as a result.

 

[Evilroddy]

Truthatallcosts:

More fear mongering and you just confirm my point. Have a nice day.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[Soopairik]

We need the government to release an honest accounting of whether or not migration from the Muslim world is benefitting the country as a whole, or not. We can't keep running our immigration like a homeless shelter and not expect poverty, overcrowding, and higher crime as a result.

I think it's more about empathy. These guys lost their homes, so some Americans feel the need to help them.

 

[truthatallcost]

Truthatallcosts:

More fear mongering and you just confirm my point. Have a nice day.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

What is your point? Ad hom? You expect that to change anyone's mind?

 

[Evilroddy]

What is your point? Ad hom? You expect that to change anyone's mind?

Truthatallcosts:

I am not attacking you so no ad hominem applies here. I am criticising your methodology and tactics. You seem determined to spread fear and distrust about Muslims in many of your posts on DP, including on this thread. In a thread about a 15 year old German girl being stabbed you decided to raise the spectre of Canada trying to deradicalise and disengage former ISIL members who have returned home to North America at a cost of $ 35 million. What has that got to do with the topic of your thread, a 15 year old German girl who was stabbed by a Muslim an ocean away? The only reasons I can see for posting that tangent is to spread a climate of fear and distrust of all Muslims and to indirectly disctedit a Camadian poster for calling you out on a perceived pattern of fear mongering and dehumanising of Muslims. Just say'in it seems a pretty transparent and a somewhat shabby debating strategy. Persuasion by debate is an art and is not served well by a repetitive Jack-hammer approach.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.