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College Football 2018-2019 Season

poweRob said:
This weekend coming should be a test. Texas A&M who hung with Clemson to the end.
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Texas will be a good test. They have a decent offense and defense. However that game will be played in Alabama Bryant Denny Stadium. I give the edge to Alabama.
 
poweRob said:
Yup. We are all college football fans and this really stupid system has us at each others' throats and not for on-the-field competition but for off the field politics.
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I think some fans just need to learn how to deal with their conferences being less then a match for other conferences,
 
ObamacareFail said:
Because the SEC is dominant these days, right?
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One team in the SEC has been extraordinarily dominant. The rest of the conference...meh. Fact is that college football has about 10 "great" programs with some history and longevity and maybe 25 consistently good ones (although good is relative), out of a pool of roughly 50 teams total. Then there are the over a 100 programs which are so bad you wonder why they even bother fielding a team. But...

Sometimes one of the 100 move into the 50. Then, a miracle happens and that team slides into the top 25. That's when everyone gets excited. Every once in a great while that team goes top ten. And now we have the Oregon Ducks, a phenomenon that generates ratings and jersey sales for a few years until...well, until they remember they are the Ducks and not the Spartans, Trojans, Irish, Tide, etc.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Looks like a cupcake convention.
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So instead of acknowledging you were very VERY wrong by making up some cockamamy story about how it can't be done, you go insult the teams to prove you don't know what you are talking about even further.

It's far more exciting than what the FBS has to offer by far. If the FBS did this it'd make March Madness look stale by comparison.

Should just admit you're wrong when you are that wrong. But alas, you are who you are.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
it's actually more about recruitment....not just athletes, but students and teaching talent. However I see that you are just sour on college football over your preferred team or conference not winning these days.
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ObamacareFail said:
Because the SEC is dominant these days, right?
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Well, no. You're going to have to rise above your narrow personal prejudice. You are projecting it onto others.
 
calamity said:
:lamo

You say that as if the ranking system hasn't been a joke for our entire lives.


We need an 8 to 16 team playoff. Not some rigged selection committee garbage.
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I'll support an 8 team playoff. The five major conference winners and 3 at large. More than 8 would necessitate (IMO) dropping a game from the regular season schedule and you can bet the FCS teams ain't a gonna like losing that payday.
 
Jack Hays said:
I don't think the NCAA is the problem in this case. It's the five "power" conferences and their determination to protect the cash machines their football programs have become.
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Those cash machines support, wholly or partially, every sport offered by the universities, except the B'Ball programs at some schools.
 
ObamacareFail said:
An 8 game playoff would obliterate the bowl game system for those teams not good enough to make it into the playoffs. A 16 game playoff would obliterate college football. These student athletes put their bodies through enough already with the regular season combined with the existing playoffs. As for the suggestion of rigging....that sounds like: "MFTDNW" (My favorite team did not win) syndrome.
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Probably not, FCS has a 24 team playoff, Dll has 32 as does Dlll, they haven't been obliterated.
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, and . . . ?
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Of course they protect their cash machines. Dl schools offer at least 14 sports: seven for men and seven for women, or six for men and eight for women. Without those cash machines those sports offered would have to be cut.
 
hanger4 said:
Of course they protect their cash machines. Dl schools offer at least 14 sports: seven for men and seven for women, or six for men and eight for women. Without those cash machines those sports offered would have to be cut.
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Yes, and why is that important?
 
Jack Hays said:
Are scholarships awarded in those non-revenue sports?
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I know someone who’s husband went to college on a bowling scholarship. I had no idea there was a such thing as college bowling, let alone scholarships awarded for it. Lol
 
calamity said:
One team in the SEC has been extraordinarily dominant. The rest of the conference...meh. Fact is that college football has about 10 "great" programs with some history and longevity and maybe 25 consistently good ones (although good is relative), out of a pool of roughly 50 teams total. Then there are the over a 100 programs which are so bad you wonder why they even bother fielding a team. But...

Sometimes one of the 100 move into the 50. Then, a miracle happens and that team slides into the top 25. That's when everyone gets excited. Every once in a great while that team goes top ten. And now we have the Oregon Ducks, a phenomenon that generates ratings and jersey sales for a few years until...well, until they remember they are the Ducks and not the Spartans, Trojans, Irish, Tide, etc.
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Certainly there are teams on occasion that excel and jump into the top 25. I am not suggesting that UCF is not a good tem or did not earn their way into the rankings. However when it comes to the top 4 for the sake of the playoffs, UCF was simply nowhere close to deserving a spot in the playoffs. The committee takes much into consideration, including who you play in your own conference. There are no powerhouses in UCF's conference. Other then an undefeated season, their highlight was beating Auburn in an invitation bowl game that had no bearing on standings. Auburn's defense was also devastate by taking on Alabama once and Georgia twice. And Alabama is not the only dominant team in the SEC Georgia is close behind. Do i think the rankings are always fair? No. I don't think Notre Dame should have been given a shot at the BCS championship game they played against Alabama.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Certainly there are teams on occasion that excel and jump into the top 25. I am not suggesting that UCF is not a good tem or did not earn their way into the rankings. However when it comes to the top 4 for the sake of the playoffs, UCF was simply nowhere close to deserving a spot in the playoffs. The committee takes much into consideration, including who you play in your own conference. There are no powerhouses in UCF's conference. Other then an undefeated season, their highlight was beating Auburn in an invitation bowl game that had no bearing on standings. Auburn's defense was also devastate by taking on Alabama once and Georgia twice. And Alabama is not the only dominant team in the SEC Georgia is close behind. Do i think the rankings are always fair? No. I don't think Notre Dame should have been given a shot at the BCS championship game they played against Alabama.
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UCF laid 34 points on Auburn, winning by a TD. That's pretty solid, and it justifies the argument that they should have been in the conversation. But, that's not really what my post was about.

My post was more about elite programs versus the now and thens. Alabama is the only elite SEC team. GA, Auburn, LSU, etc are now and thens. Hell, not long ago Florida and Tennessee were supposedly elite.

The Big Ten has an elite program in Ohio State. On the verge is Penn State, usually a top ten but now and then they are not. Michigan was elite, but lately they are not.

After Alabama and Ohio State come a lot of now and thens. ND, USC, Clemson, Wisconsin, a slew of SEC teams, a few in the Big Twelve like TX, OK, OK State, etc. Here and there a Stanford, Tx A&M, MSU, Miami and, yes, the UCFs, Oregans, Louisvilles, West Virginias make splash. Not too often though.
 
poweRob said:
So instead of acknowledging you were very VERY wrong by making up some cockamamy story about how it can't be done, you go insult the teams to prove you don't know what you are talking about even further.

It's far more exciting than what the FBS has to offer by far. If the FBS did this it'd make March Madness look stale by comparison.

Should just admit you're wrong when you are that wrong. But alas, you are who you are.
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That's quite a tangent you just went on. What you are not grasping is that College football and NFL football are not the same. College football teams have considerably more teams then the NFL and they are all student athletes. It's not a matter of division winners, it's a matter of ranking. the best teams overall are the teams that go to the playoffs. The 4 team playoff system was instituted primarily to mollify those who hate Alabama's dominance. Yet even with the playoff system, Alabama has been in all for playoffs and won the championship in two of them. Do you really think their success would end if it went to an 8 team playoff, a 16 team playoff, a 32 team playoff, etc.?
 
calamity said:
UCF laid 34 points on Auburn, winning by a TD. That's pretty solid, and it justifies the argument that they should have been in the conversation. But, that's not really what my post was about.

My post was more about elite programs versus the now and thens. Alabama is the only elite SEC team. GA, Auburn, LSU, etc are now and thens. Hell, not long ago Florida and Tennessee were supposedly elite.

The Big Ten has an elite program in Ohio State. On the verge is Penn State, usually a top ten but now and then they are not. Michigan was elite, but lately they are not.

After Alabama and Ohio State come a lot of now and thens. ND, USC, Clemson, Wisconsin, a slew of SEC teams, a few in the Big Twelve like TX, OK, OK State, etc. Here and there a Stanford, Tx A&M, MSU, Miami and, yes, the UCFs, Oregans, Louisvilles, West Virginias make splash. Not too often though.
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Sorry....however beating a beat up Auburn in an invitation bowl game does not figure into the standintgs does not qualify UCF for a spot in the top 4. It's not who you beat in one game, it's who you beat during the regular season and how many good teams you beat. Had UCF played and beat Auburn in the regular season, it would have meant more, however still would not have been enough. And the SEC now and then teams that you mentioned, even on "then" years would likely beat UCF in a game that matters. Last season was a "then" year for Auburn, yet they still managed to beat Alabama and Georgia(in one of two games). If you really think that UCF was a better team then Georgia or Alabama last year, I find it hard to take you seriously. And after playing Alabama once and Georgia twice, Auburn had little to nothing left for UCF. Congrats to UCF for beating a power house team under any conditions, however, self claiming a championship over it makes them look like they belong in a pee wee league.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Sorry....however beating a beat up Auburn in an invitation bowl game does not figure into the standintgs does not qualify UCF for a spot in the top 4. It's not who you beat in one game, it's who you beat during the regular season and how many good teams you beat. Had UCF played and beat Auburn in the regular season, it would have meant more, however still would not have been enough. And the SEC now and then teams that you mentioned, even on "then" years would likely beat UCF in a game that matters. Last season was a "then" year for Auburn, yet they still managed to beat Alabama and Georgia(in one of two games). If you really think that UCF was a better team then Georgia or Alabama last year, I find it hard to take you seriously. And after playing Alabama once and Georgia twice, Auburn had little to nothing left for UCF. Congrats to UCF for beating a power house team under any conditions, however, self claiming a championship over it makes them look like they belong in a pee wee league.
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We'll never know if UCF was better than Alabama in a one and done or not. The Committee made sure of it.

I thought you hated the "Deep State." In reality, I wish they had a 16-team playoff with UCF in it. Then we would have known for sure.
 
ObamacareFail said:
That's quite a tangent you just went on. What you are not grasping is that College football and NFL football are not the same. College football teams have considerably more teams then the NFL and they are all student athletes. It's not a matter of division winners, it's a matter of ranking. the best teams overall are the teams that go to the playoffs. The 4 team playoff system was instituted primarily to mollify those who hate Alabama's dominance. Yet even with the playoff system, Alabama has been in all for playoffs and won the championship in two of them. Do you really think their success would end if it went to an 8 team playoff, a 16 team playoff, a 32 team playoff, etc.?
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Talk about tangents. I said nothing about trying to derail alabmas success. I'm merely stating that a four team playoff is still too much of a man-made pick-em instead of letting them play it out. You brought up bama... not me. Sounds like you might be scared off it.

Also your tangent... NFL. WTF does the NFL have to do with anything I posted? Why aren't you addressing anything I said that you quoted. It's like you have this prewritten bot response already set to say no matter what anyone else says.

As far as you calling Division II playoffs "cupcake" in your previous post... probably tougher than any team bama has played so far this year.
 
calamity said:
We'll never know if UCF was better than Alabama in a one and done or not. The Committee made sure of it.

I thought you hated the "Deep State." In reality, I wish they had a 16-team playoff with UCF in it. Then we would have known for sure.
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The committee is now a deep state? That is highly irrational. The committee is not some deep seated conspiracy. It is made up of primarily former coaches, hall of famers university presidents, athletic directors etc.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2017/10/16/selection-committee.aspx

They simply meet and using all parameters pick the four best teams. And that does mean simply an undefeated season. And as I recall, in this thread last season some of you were pushing for two loss Ohio to be picked over one loss Alabama. And they go out of their way to be fair. As much as I was against a playoff system, I think the committe is more fair then the ranking system that picked the teams for the BCS Championship games. Those were decided by votes of active coaches, some of which did have a dog in the hunt. And nonne of you cared about UCF until Alabama was picked for the fourth spot. if it had not been Alabama, it would have been another power house team, probably in the Big Ten or 12. UCF simply does not play enough powerhouse teams to show they were worthy of getting into the playoffs. The committee would have been laughed off the planet if they had put UCF in the top four.

As for an 8 or 16 game playoff, I think that at the most, I think the college football world may at some point accept an 8 game playoff. Anything past that and it ceases to be college football.
 
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