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Masterpiece Cakeshop owner in court again for denying LGBTQ customer

Michael Johnson said:
Nobody is forcing Colorado to be anti-religious dip****s.
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Demanding business to not be gay hating dip**** asswipes is not anti-religious. All it is is anti-intolerance. Religious people might try it instead of supporting intolerance.
 
Peter King said:
Demanding business to not be gay hating dip**** asswipes is not anti-religious. All it is is anti-intolerance. Religious people might try it instead of supporting intolerance.
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I get it LOL! You hate religion with a passion. Still doesn't remove the fact that SCOTUS correctly judged that Calirado was biased and trumped on Phillips' religious freedom.
 
Peter King said:
Then you must not know about public accommodation laws and about laws that govern other business practices.
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yes I'm not aware of any public accommodation law that says that you must do things that are against your religion. I don't believe such a lot would exist because it would be a clear violation of the First Amendment.
You cannot say it is against my wishes to clean my restaurant, I am a member of the dirty bums church (not a real thing, I know) and it is against my convictions to clean my restaurant daily.
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that's reasonable cleanliness is in public interest. As well as food handling and safety code.

Such things could end in someone dying.

A trans person's feelings getting hurt doesn't.
 
Peter King said:
Demanding business to not be gay hating dip**** asswipes is not anti-religious. All it is is anti-intolerance. Religious people might try it instead of supporting intolerance.
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So it's about thought control which is what I suspected in the beginning.

people are not allowed to think these things that you disapprove up because if they do their ass wipes.

I don't care that their ass wipes I'm against thought policing.
 
Michael Johnson said:
I get it LOL! You hate religion with a passion. Still doesn't remove the fact that SCOTUS correctly judged that Calirado was biased and trumped on Phillips' religious freedom.
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I am an atheist, I do not care about religion one way or another, I do care about intolerance, don't matter why people are intolerant but when it comes to baked goods intolerance is just not acceptable. Now if people want a specially designed cake the baker does not sell off book/off pictures as examples, sure, he has creative license to refuse. But if he sells blue/orange/green/yellow/red cupcakes and someone wants to buy 100 of them, it is none of the bakers business if he wants to use his cupcakes as target practice, to feel the poor, to jump into buck naked or give out at a gay wedding. Intolerance and discrimination for normal food items is just unacceptable.

And it is Colorado, not Calirado, I am Dutch and even I know that one :lol:
 
Peter King said:
I am an atheist, I do not care about religion one way or another, I do care about intolerance, don't matter why people are intolerant but when it comes to baked goods intolerance is just not acceptable. Now if people want a specially designed cake the baker does not sell off book/off pictures as examples, sure, he has creative license to refuse. But if he sells blue/orange/green/yellow/red cupcakes and someone wants to buy 100 of them, it is none of the bakers business if he wants to use his cupcakes as target practice, to feel the poor, to jump into buck naked or give out at a gay wedding. Intolerance and discrimination for normal food items is just unacceptable.

And it is Colorado, not Calirado, I am Dutch and even I know that one :lol:
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LOL well thankfully we don't have you serving as a Supreme Justice, because it was not up for you to decide.

Calirado is a deserving term for such a fluff cake state.
 
CLAX1911 said:
yes I'm not aware of any public accommodation law that says that you must do things that are against your religion. I don't believe such a lot would exist because it would be a clear violation of the First Amendment.
that's reasonable cleanliness is in public interest. As well as food handling and safety code.

Such things could end in someone dying.

A trans person's feelings getting hurt doesn't.
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So if a muslim baker would only serve to other muslims, maybe christians but would not serve to jews that is perfectly fine to you?

And if your baker is a member of the Aryan Church and does not want to serve blacks/latino's or jews, that is fine in your views?

Or a church that frowns upon handicapped people, if someone started that, they would be fine to refuse a handicapped customer service?

If you allow intolerance to be the centerpiece of your religion, you are not on a slippery slope, you have slid into downright evil IMO.

Also, did Jesus ask if anyone who he gave his bread and fish to if they were gay? Please point me towards the verse in the bible that says you can simply ignore the local laws? Or refuse to bake cakes for a gay wedding?
 
CLAX1911 said:
So it's about thought control which is what I suspected in the beginning.

people are not allowed to think these things that you disapprove up because if they do their ass wipes.

I don't care that their ass wipes I'm against thought policing.
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Since when is thought control something? Just not discriminating is the only thing I care about. Internally he can be thinking people will go to hell, but if he asks them for 100 pink cupcakes, there should not be a legal reason to refuse that customer his order. That has nothing to do with thoughts, but with not being an intolerant dickhead.

People are allowed to think what they want, just when they get an order for a white wedding cake, off book or a children's birthday cake off menu for their transgendered child, it is none of the baker's business what they do with that cake.
 
Michael Johnson said:
LOL well thankfully we don't have you serving as a Supreme Justice, because it was not up for you to decide.

Calirado is a deserving term for such a fluff cake state.
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Well, the laws of Colorado are what they are and if this bakery keeps on behaving like an asswipe for normal orders, I hope he gets sued every single week if he has refused an off the menu/book/not creative specially designed item purely because of sexual preferences.
 
Peter King said:
Well, the laws of Colorado are what they are and if this bakery keeps on behaving like an asswipe for normal orders, I hope he gets sued every single week if he has refused an off the menu/book/not creative specially designed item purely because of sexual preferences.
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So because you don't like him exercising his religious freedom you wish ill will because he rejected the type of cake a trans wanted.

Gotcha.
 
Michael Johnson said:
If her hairs are gay LOL that makes absolutely no sense.

If said customer asked the barber to shave LGBTQ in her public hairs then yes that barber would correct in rejecting her retarded request. That's rejecting a service request he doesn't provide based on religious rights he still has in the country (which I know you abhor).
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Good. Neither does your argument.
The baker got sued because he said his religious views don't allow him to make a gay wedding cake. Discrimination. Nothing else.

Barbers don't shave pubic hairs. So it can't be discrimination to refuse shaving pubic hairs.
 
Peter King said:
So if a muslim baker would only serve to other muslims, maybe christians but would not serve to jews that is perfectly fine to you?
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Why would a Jew want to support an anti semetic business?
And if your baker is a member of the Aryan Church and does not want to serve blacks/latino's or jews, that is fine in your views?
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Why would blacks Latinos and Jews want to support such a person?
Or a church that frowns upon handicapped people, if someone started that, they would be fine to refuse a handicapped customer service?
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I'm a freelance part time mechanic. If a handicapped person brought me a Jaguar to repair for them if refuse. I don't fix those cars. Should that be allowed?
If you allow intolerance to be the centerpiece of your religion, you are not on a slippery slope, you have slid into downright evil IMO.
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Intolerance is the center piece to any and all belief systems. I believe it is wrong to mistreat children. I do not tolerate those that mistreat children.
Also, did Jesus ask if anyone who he gave his bread and fish to if they were gay? Please point me towards the verse in the bible that says you can simply ignore the local laws? Or refuse to bake cakes for a gay wedding?
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Why?
 
Peter King said:
Since when is thought control something?
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Since the first society created laws.
Just not discriminating is the only thing I care about.
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there is no law saying bakeries can't make wedding cakes for same sex weddings, in fact I'm willing to bet there are some that specialize in it. So what discrimination?
Internally he can be thinking people will go to hell, but if he asks them for 100 pink cupcakes, there should not be a legal reason to refuse that customer his order. That has nothing to do with thoughts, but with not being an intolerant dickhead.
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If he doesn't make pink cupcakes for anybody, it isn't discrimination against any person if he provides it to no person. And her has every right to be a dickhead.
People are allowed to think what they want, just when they get an order for a white wedding cake, off book or a children's birthday cake off menu for their transgendered child, it is none of the baker's business what they do with that cake.
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Doubt the bakery would have had a problem with a generic item or even a customized item as long as he doesn't have to say something that he doesn't want to say.

Just because someone has a business that is open to the public doesn't mean you can compel their speech.
 
dairyair said:
Good. Neither does your argument.
The baker got sued because he said his religious views don't allow him to make a gay wedding cake. Discrimination. Nothing else.

Barbers don't shave pubic hairs. So it can't be discrimination to refuse shaving pubic hairs.
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Again your posts are bitter because you don't like the correct judgement SCOTUS handed to the scumbag.
 
Michael Johnson said:
Again your posts are bitter because you don't like the correct judgement SCOTUS handed to the scumbag.
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What judgement is that?
How is following the law a bitter post? Fn funny.
 
dairyair said:
What judgement is that?
How is following the law a bitter post? Fn funny.
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SCOTUS followed the law and you still hate it. This isn't about the law, with you. It's about your personal bias towards religious freedom and the rights of business owners. There are asswipe customers who just don't get served. Period.
 
Michael Johnson said:
SCOTUS followed the law and you still hate it. This isn't about the law, with you. It's about your personal bias towards religious freedom and the rights of business owners. There are asswipe customers who just don't get served. Period.
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Your stupid ass projection is laughable. Worthless.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Why would a Jew want to support an anti semetic business?
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Well he would not know it was anti-semetic until he would be refused, and you are trying to shift the goalposts rather than answer.

CLAX1911 said:
Why would blacks Latinos and Jews want to support such a person?
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Just as above, shifting the goalposts to avoid answering.

CLAX1911 said:
I'm a freelance part time mechanic. If a handicapped person brought me a Jaguar to repair for them if refuse. I don't fix those cars. Should that be allowed?
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So why should a person who does not fix cars be forced to fix cars? I don't go to my local butchers and demand he bakes me a bread in his oven now do I. Moving goalposts again.

CLAX1911 said:
Intolerance is the center piece to any and all belief systems. I believe it is wrong to mistreat children. I do not tolerate those that mistreat children.
Why?
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Yes, but that is not a religious belief, that is a personal belief. The bible has no issue with mistreating kids, so that can hardly be a religious view.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Since the first society created laws.
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Yeah, that is nonsense. Nobody forbade the first christians to privately in their own mind be christians. So it has nothing to do with thought control. Laws are there to control behaviors.

CLAX1911 said:
there is no law saying bakeries can't make wedding cakes for same sex weddings, in fact I'm willing to bet there are some that specialize in it. So what discrimination?
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And again avoiding the answer I see. I asked you a question and you diverted from that question. If a baker sells a stock wedding cake to all customer, why refuse to do it for a gay woman. What if the woman paid for the cake (coming in with her brother to order it) and when she and her future wife come and pick it up the baker refuses to hand over what they paid for? What then? That is the issue with discrimination, it is not to be tolerated.

CLAX1911 said:
If he doesn't make pink cupcakes for anybody, it isn't discrimination against any person if he provides it to no person. And her has every right to be a dickhead.
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Except then it NOT discrimination as it is his free will to not make pink cupcakes for anyone. But if you sell them to mrs. A who buys them because her daughter is giving birth to a little girl, then you should sell it to mrs. A when she and her gay wife are going to have a baby girl. Because that would be discrimination.

When you don't sell it you cannot be found to be guilty of discriminating BECAUSE!!!!! you would not be discriminating.

CLAX1911 said:
Doubt the bakery would have had a problem with a generic item or even a customized item as long as he doesn't have to say something that he doesn't want to say.
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Except then his freedom of speech comes into play and his artistic freedom. If someone wants 2 men on top of the cake or say mr. A is going to marry mr. B. Then it is a specialized item and then artistic freedom comes into play and to some degree freedom of speech.

CLAX1911 said:
Just because someone has a business that is open to the public doesn't mean you can compel their speech.
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Yes, you can, in Colorado and in many other states (as well as federally) there are public accommodation laws that come for specific services. If you are a religious candle maker you have nothing to worry about, you are not a public accommodation IMO. But a bakery is there to sell baked goods, if people buy baked goods, it is none of the bakers business what they do with his product. I could not care if they use it in a satanic orgy, it is none of his business as long as he does not have to create something specifically for that satanic orgy (for example).
 
Peter King said:
Well he would not know it was anti-semetic until he would be refused, and you are trying to shift the goalposts rather than answer.
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So people would rather support such a person than know?
When did I shift the goal posts?


Just as above, shifting the goalposts to avoid answering.
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Not sure how I'm shifting goalposts. Maybe you just didn't like my answer.


So why should a person who does not fix cars be forced to fix cars?
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A mechanic does fix cars. Please read carefully.


Yes, but that is not a religious belief, that is a personal belief.
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Fair enough, show me in the first amendment where that distinction is made.
The bible has no issue with mistreating kids, so that can hardly be a religious view.
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You don't get to dictate to others how they interpret their views and beliefs.
 
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