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Prostitution poll

Prostitution poll

  • I have hired a prostitute for sex, but it was rare

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • I have hired a lot of prostitutes for sex.

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • I have had sex with a prostitute, but it was free

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Never had sex with a prostitute, but might in the future

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • I have been (or am) a prostitute for sex

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • I have worked in the sex trade industry, but not as a prostitute

    Votes: 7 20.6%

  • I have many close friends who are/were prostitutes

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • I have hired sex indirectly via buying the other person stuff

    Votes: 4 11.8%

  • I would consider marrying an ex prostitute

    Votes: 14 41.2%

  • I would not consider marrying an ex prostitute

    Votes: 10 29.4%
  • Total voters
    34
From what you say the USA has an abysmal sexual marketplace.

What's wrong with Mexico? In Monterrey, at least, many of the prostitutes are single mothers age 18-25 that want only work three or four hours a day so they can be at home to raise their kid. A drug addicted woman wouldn't be fit to be a prostitute in Monterrey. Those single mothers don't have the option of getting a husband because most men wouldn't have a relationship with them. Mexico is a little expensive compared to other countries perhaps costing 1000 MXN ~ USD 55 per hour. That's gotta be a world cheaper than Vegas. Oh, and a bus ride from Dallas to Monterrey is USD 59. That means if you have a four day weekend, you can indulge for maybe USD 500 total cost and enjoy three or four sessions, total cost including meals, lodging and transportation if you don't mind eating at Carl's Jr.

joko104 said:
I understand on legalities you don't care about reality, just how you want things to work in a fantasy reality as for your comment about cop's word versus a drug addict 18 year old forced into "legal" prostitution.

If you can't afford airline tickets to Vegas from within the USA, you can't afford going to a Nevada brothel.

I already posted how many former brothel prostitutes and prostitute rights groups do NOT want what you want. They want legalization, period, not trying to force prostitutes into brothels, often reducing them to little more than sex slaves and having to give a BIG piece of the money instead to the brothel owner.

You certainly are willing to give someone else 50% of your take-home paycheck for your work - and more to others plus another layer of taxes and fees for your employment, correct? And are certain that a woman doing a $10 BJ in a bar would gladly give $5 of it to the bar, another $1 tip to the employees of the bar, $1 for government licensing and fees, and $1 in government taxes - keeping $1 of the $10. She can use that $1 to pay her federal income taxes - keeping 25 cents.



Yeah, you're on prostitute's side. :roll:

Hell, don't rant. Just go to a brothel. Nothing is stopping you. I am not debating brothels. Just spend $300 or $400 for the airline ticket and another $500 to $100 for 30 minutes in the brothel - of which maybe if lucky the prostitute's final share is 1/3rd.
'It's like you sign a contract to be raped' | US news | The Guardian

And those women LOVE being with men like you and others. That's why 80% desperately want out from their "Contract to be raped" as one put it.

There is no ethics in all the requirements you want for prostitutes without having the same requirements - if not more - who use a prostitute. Prostitutes are FAR more at risk than men who hire them.
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vegas giants said:
What other professions do you want to not be regulated?
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Since you refused to answer any question and ignore everything I post, I'll do the same with you.

Name every profession you want regulated to the degree you want prostitutes, but not Johns, regulated?

What about someone working on a lawn crew? What regulations do you want required? What about a grocery store bag boy? What regulations do you want required of them?

How often do you have to renew your professional license and have a government required physical examination to assure you aren't spreading airborne diseases to people? How much in extra taxes do you have to pay because of your profession?

I'm curious if you are truly a 100% total government control freak.
 
joko104 said:
Since you refused to answer any question and ignore everything I post, I'll do the same with you.

Name every profession you want regulated to the degree you want prostitutes, but not Johns, regulated?

What about someone working on a lawn crew? What regulations do you want required? What about a grocery store bag boy? What regulations do you want required of them?

How often do you have to renew your professional license and have a government required physical examination to assure you aren't spreading airborne diseases to people? How much in extra taxes do you have to pay because of your profession?

I'm curious if you are truly a 100% total government control freak.
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Lawn crew and bag boy just pay taxes and be here legally.


Prostitutes in addition get monthly exams to maintain license which can be renewed yearly. To get license the first time must take a class on relevant laws


My license required renewal yearly, 40 CEUs yearly and license fees. No disease check and taxes were paid as income. A whole lot more for me to even apply for my first license



Did I answer everything?
 
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SDET said:
From what you say the USA has an abysmal sexual marketplace.

What's wrong with Mexico? In Monterrey, at least, many of the prostitutes are single mothers age 18-25 that want only work three or four hours a day so they can be at home to raise their kid. A drug addicted woman wouldn't be fit to be a prostitute in Monterrey. Those single mothers don't have the option of getting a husband because most men wouldn't have a relationship with them. Mexico is a little expensive compared to other countries perhaps costing 1000 MXN ~ USD 55 per hour. That's gotta be a world cheaper than Vegas. Oh, and a bus ride from Dallas to Monterrey is USD 59. That means if you have a four day weekend, you can indulge for maybe USD 500 total cost and enjoy three or four sessions, total cost including meals, lodging and transportation if you don't mind eating at Carl's Jr.
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I was in Matamoros Mexico's "Boys Town" years ago out of curiousity with 3 other guys. It was quite interesting. Rates quoted super cheap, trashy women doesn't even begin to describe them (I don't mean that as an insult, just a description for social perceptions) and particularly noticed the federal police with machine guns strolling about. In town a woman offered to fist herself for $10 - we declined as we did all offers..

But the floor shows were humorous to watch and the booze was almost free. We drove across the border, but parked in a paid lot - basically hiring protection - taking a taxi out to Boys Town. It was worth the trip just to see it, but seeing it once is enough.

I was old old men endlessly are trying to figure out how to sneak those women into the USA, the young prostitutes promising to marry him if he does. Libido makes most men extra super stupid. :lol:
 
Very, very true. The border towns are useless. Here's what you can get in Monterrey: 100 times better quality:

Escorts y putas en Monterrey, sexoservidoras - Skokka

joko104 said:
I was in Matamoros Mexico's "Boys Town" years ago out of curiousity with 3 other guys. It was quite interesting. Rates quoted super cheap, trashy women doesn't even begin to describe them (I don't mean that as an insult, just a description for social perceptions) and particularly noticed the federal police with machine guns strolling about. In town a woman offered to fist herself for $10 - we declined as we did all offers..

But the floor shows were humorous to watch and the booze was almost free. We drove across the border, but parked in a paid lot - basically hiring protection - taking a taxi out to Boys Town. It was worth the trip just to see it, but seeing it once is enough.

I was old old men endlessly are trying to figure out how to sneak those women into the USA, the young prostitutes promising to marry him if he does. Libido makes most men extra super stupid. :lol:
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vegas giants said:
Lawn crew and bag boy just pay taxes and be here legally.

Prostitutes in addition get monthly exams to maintain license which can be renewed yearly. To get license the first time must take a class on relevant laws

My license required renewal yearly, 40 CEUs yearly and license fees. No disease check and taxes were paid as income. A whole lot more for me to even apply for my first license

Did I answer everything?
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Yes you did (I think).

Insurance agent?

I think I understand your thinking. It is about you. What do you want required of a brothel or semi-costly escort prostitute for your protection. To hell with the other 99%.

But don't pretend you want this other than for you should you want to hire one of those women. It isn't just about the person offering the service, but also using it. There all all sorts of things customers can buy without complying with regulations. Having a license. Getting a license. Having certifications, degrees, etc etc. So why not for customers of prostitutes?

To rent and ride a motorcycle, you have to have a motorcycle license, pass a motorcycle riding test. Pass a state written test. Have insurance.

Why not the same to ride a prostitute? Have a license allowing hiring a prostitute first? Have to pass quarterly STD testing. Go thru a course on how to legally and safely act with a prostitute? Prove you know how to do that having sex with a sex doll for every type of sex your sex license would allow you to have with a state inspector observing you demonstrating you know how to ride a prostitute safely and legally - to determine what forms of sex you could have with a prostitute.

You would certainly be willing to do that, and requiring everyone else do to, before hiring a prostitute, wouldn't you?

And like an insurance policy, shouldn't both you and the prostitute have to sign a copy of a contract for sex that both you and the prostitute keep for record keeping as protection against false accusations and so a John can't claim" but she agreed to anal sex? Shouldn't you have to provide your DL number to the prostitute to be put into that contract like for an insurance policy?

Prostitutes are far, far more often victimized by customers, than customers victimized by a prostitute. So what do you only want to dump on prostitutes, but nothing for Johns? Seriously, why is that?

I can't think of any profession not regulated that I want regulated. Not one. Including prostitution. I'm ok with regulations about brothels - but that is about the brothel owner - ie the pimp.
 
Follow up... this would be a GREAT way to get free sex and even shake down prostitutes. Just get the sex, then demand to see their license. Almost no street hooker is going to have one. So then you can demand your money back - and more free sex - or you're calling the police. Of course, you did nothing wrong because you going to a prostitute is now legal, but her not having a license would send the prostitute (she or he) to jail.
 
joko104 said:
Yes you did (I think).

Insurance agent?

I think I understand your thinking. It is about you. What do you want required of a brothel or semi-costly escort prostitute for your protection. To hell with the other 99%.

But don't pretend you want this other than for you should you want to hire one of those women. It isn't just about the person offering the service, but also using it. There all all sorts of things customers can buy without complying with regulations. Having a license. Getting a license. Having certifications, degrees, etc etc. So why not for customers of prostitutes?

To rent and ride a motorcycle, you have to have a motorcycle license, pass a motorcycle riding test. Pass a state written test. Have insurance.

Why not the same to ride a prostitute? Have a license allowing hiring a prostitute first? Have to pass quarterly STD testing. Go thru a course on how to legally and safely act with a prostitute? Prove you know how to do that having sex with a sex doll for every type of sex your sex license would allow you to have with a state inspector observing you demonstrating you know how to ride a prostitute safely and legally - to determine what forms of sex you could have with a prostitute.

You would certainly be willing to do that, and requiring everyone else do to, before hiring a prostitute, wouldn't you?

And like an insurance policy, shouldn't both you and the prostitute have to sign a copy of a contract for sex that both you and the prostitute keep for record keeping as protection against false accusations and so a John can't claim" but she agreed to anal sex? Shouldn't you have to provide your DL number to the prostitute to be put into that contract like for an insurance policy?

Prostitutes are far, far more often victimized by customers, than customers victimized by a prostitute. So what do you only want to dump on prostitutes, but nothing for Johns? Seriously, why is that?

I can't think of any profession not regulated that I want regulated. Not one. Including prostitution. I'm ok with regulations about brothels - but that is about the brothel owner - ie the pimp.
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I think that is over regulated. Prostitutes get abused now and cant report or they go to jail. I want them able to report it. This is about protecting women.


I guess you are against that
 
joko104 said:
Follow up... this would be a GREAT way to get free sex and even shake down prostitutes. Just get the sex, then demand to see their license. Almost no street hooker is going to have one. So then you can demand your money back - and more free sex - or you're calling the police. Of course, you did nothing wrong because you going to a prostitute is now legal, but her not having a license would send the prostitute (she or he) to jail.
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Going to a licensed prostitute is legal.


He would go to jail. In fact cops could set up stings where they pose as prostitutes without a license.
 
I like your "list everything that could go wrong" exercise, but it just doesn't work that way. What you're describing is felony extortion from the man compared to a fine a bit bigger than a speeding ticket. Besides, if a man cared about the license, he would ask to see it before the transaction. Again, no guesswork here. The license you speak of is almost exactly how it works in Bolivia. Men like the licenses because it assures being with a healthy woman.

joko104 said:
Follow up... this would be a GREAT way to get free sex and even shake down prostitutes. Just get the sex, then demand to see their license. Almost no street hooker is going to have one. So then you can demand your money back - and more free sex - or you're calling the police. Of course, you did nothing wrong because you going to a prostitute is now legal, but her not having a license would send the prostitute (she or he) to jail.
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SDET said:
Very, very true. The border towns are useless. Here's what you can get in Monterrey: 100 times better quality:

Escorts y putas en Monterrey, sexoservidoras - Skokka
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Quality is highly subjective. While some were attractive (exotic dancers), most were marginal or less. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all women look the same in the dark. I have known and know many across decades from the very bottom of the barrel to the most drop dead gorgeous ex escort that became the trophy wife of multi-billionaire and who could be described as a walking sex pheromone machine. It is not just beauty, there are lots of beautiful women, but facial expression, body language, interaction, subtle touching, even triggering very powerful instincts by subliminals.

She is her husband's first wife and he knew exactly what she did and her skill and reputation from rich friends who had hired her - but none were good enough for her to want to keep. The husband, a womanizer himself and not unknown to hire women either, was not going to be a hypocrite and instead was looking for the best because he could both afford the best and he was a handsome, confident, highly personal, tall and muscular rich guy, easy going with a great smile. From when they first met to when he accepted her proposal of marriage was under an hour - and they married the next day - no pre-nup. She instantly became a billionaire herself. They have been married now about 15 years - happily married. But an unusual marriage in some ways.

As an escort, she went for $25k a weekend. She turned down a quarter million for a week because she would have to travel overseas to a country she feared going to (Muslim). Curiously, in that profession she was searching for her husband - the perfect man, which included being rich. Finding men - Johns so to speak - rich ones - who would marry her was not the challenge. A man she was willing to marry was. Her proposal was interesting, but another story.

She sees her profession as being the perfect trophy wife and remaining so. In world travels, her husband often introduces her as his mistress as that can be more impressive. To friends who ask him where he found such a gorgeous and unique women, he replies "you couldn't afford a wife like her." And probably not. She deliberately blows thru his money big time - because "the more something cost a man, the more he values it." He's free to do whatever he wants, as long as he doesn't flaunt other women in front of her, which she would blame on the other woman. She is free, provided it is with another woman, which the husband thinks is cute, keeps her off him when he's not interested, but has warmed his wife up for him if he is.

While naturally gorgeous by every measure, that is only the tip of the iceberg.

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She is the kind of wife I think you think is how a wife should be.

Her mother is a beautiful former French escort - top dollar - and her husband a very handsome successful man who was a womanizer. They married in their mid-30s, having one child - her. She was born with 2 birth defects. Deaf. Extreme intelligence but along the line of a sevant - she fixed on something analyzing it to the minute degree - to the exclusion of all else. Very early, her mother - fretting over her future - recognized she is going to become a strikingly beautiful woman by every message. The most beautiful deep blue eyes. Coal black hair. Perfect figure. Tall, sleek but full.

So the mother decided her best future was to become a trophy wife to a rich guy. Her entire education - other than just basic academics - was for the purpose. Intense training. She had to learn nearly 200 facial expressions. Over 100 poises and even more rules about her posture, walk etc. How to touch a man. Makeup. Perfume. What a man wants. What he doesn't. Lessons in sexuality. Lessons in sex. Every school day, she was at home for this. The mother hired pros at tutors. Endless practicing.

For example, facial expressions it was by numbers and body poise by letter. The mother would call of "22d...152y...84ee... etc - the daughter learning how to do each and transition seamlessly until it just became who her daughter is - and how to use this skill. Clothing and on and on and on. Her off the charts sevant fixation of that young girl 100 devoted to learning how to be the perfect woman for the right sort of men.

Deafness was a plus. The man she married has a deaf sister, so knows sign language. If he doesn't want to listen to her, just don't look at her. She can't listen in on him. But she can communicate and was taught to make certain sounds, particularly in sex of course. Very beautiful sounds.

She sees her profession and her personal life as identical. She keeps her self in perfect condition, perfectly clean, perfectly dresses. She interacts with her husband no more and no less than he wants, however she figures it. Showers after he leaves and before he returns - every day. He can travel leaving her behind or taking her. She never complains - ever. In fact, she really admires her husband, total loyalty.

But she is a trophy wife and won't be anything else or capable of anything else - deliberately, though covertly. When the husband's mother tried to teach her to cook, she burned everything. Next time she set the kitchen on fire (minor fire). When he tried to show her how to change a tire then for her to show him she understood, she dumped the tools on the hood of his McLaren and absolutely refused to understand, while seemingly trying really hard. She's not a cook. She's not a tire changer. Not a laundry woman. She does know how to make a bed. Not how to change the sheets (there are mansion employees).

To this day, if she walks thru a group of men they'll be tripping over their own feet. So will some of the women. LOL. She told someone I know well who often talks to her, that if within a wide age range and if not super married or super religious, she can seduce anyone, man or female, but the only reason she is seductive in a passing way is so her husband can be glad he's married to her, with her real subtle seduction always aimed at her husband, unless that would bother him or he's busy. She said they've never had an argument of any kind.

She does blow thru his money. Every year she deliberately wrecks the 6 figure car he buys her - acting like it was just an accident and enough to put the car in the body shop - with the billionaire husband chuckling about it and buying her another. She won't touch a glass of wine that didn't come out of a bottle that cost less than a $1000 - only French wines. She doesn't own a T-shirt or any cheap clothing. But she doesn't want a lot of jewelry as that would distract from her. SHE'S the jewelry.

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Odd practices too. She wears very thin wrist length custom made gloves. Usually white, but also has black and tan. Why? Not to touch another man in social settings. Not other women either. Her seductive natures she was taught became 100% who she is. While she can manipulate it for success, for seduction, for beauty, she can't turn it off because that is exactly who and what she is. She loves sex, is never needing it, and describes her life - and profession - as perfect. Her profession is to be - for her husband - the perfect trophy wife. But if her husband wanted another woman for sex? She's buy that woman for him - but making it clear never in her face and if she arrives she better sneak out the back way or she'll beat her up. She is very much into physical fitness to maintain her body and be the best possible in bed.

Multi-million dollar wardrobe, custom made the her design and that of designers. She tends to wear more clothing than less, because men like removing clothing to see what's under there - and it just keeps getting better as he does. Some is sexy but all is classy. To her, Victoria Secret stuff is cheap whore stuff. Frequent minor cosmetic surgery - privately outside her husband's knowledge - mostly for maintenance. Every year on their anniversary he gets to again bust a virgin, due to using such procedures to keep her tight outside and in. Wide rim designer hats in sunlight to avoid skin aging and so all her body matches. Amazing how her mind works. Elegant and sophisticated. Casual and easy going. Calm or high energy. Mysterious or open. She's pretty good at doing pranks on others with a completely straight face so they don't know it. Interacting when wanted or not when not. And other than doing her job of keeping herself perfect, otherwise she does exactly anything she wants to. If she wanted sex and for too long it doesn't happen. She doesn't push. She's got women, including her husband's deaf sister, for that. Her husband thinks that cute. They have two children, but that's another matter.


While she costs him a ton of money, she makes him more. If he's negotiating a mega million dollar deal, if he can't bring it home he'll add her to the setting. Great tactics. This is one of the few times she'll touch a man without gloves. Since she's deaf, to communicate she has to write it out on a little note pad she carries - handing it to the other man/men to respond. Now they're touching. So she can read what the guy is writing and visa versa, it is reason for her to move to standing beside and against, well inside normal distances. Now she can use her subtle soft touching skills - none seemingly sexual, but she knows where the sensual points are. Breast against his arm. Smelling her subtle perfume, her deep blue else inches away, so are their lips, touching back and forth over the note pad. She told my friend there hasn't been such a man who hasn't got an erection. LOL! And her husband gets the contract.

She works at being a trophy wife the way other people go to their job - because that is exactly what she wants to be. Constantly practicing everything from dancing to keeping her figure, makeup and clothing, trying to figure anything and everything to be perfect. But she also pretty much gets her way on everything too. Her power comes from her perfection, flawless at who and what she is - and never anything but. Win win.

Sometimes women (not men) try to give her hell about it - she is definitely not a feminist. But she's got a lot of power in the marriage and in their social circles, probably more than most wives do. She will take no abuse off of anyone, not the slightest. She sees the women who condemn her for being a trophy wife and seeing it as a career - also meaning housewife and stay-at-home mom except with traveling sometimes - as foolish losers. When woman tell her they love their jobs, her reply is that she hates "work."
 
Wow! That is amazing. The never complaining part is crucial. Gratitude is the only thing that I would think that stronger than "hitting the wall".


joko104 said:
She is the kind of wife I think you think is how a wife should be.

Her mother is a beautiful former French escort - top dollar - and her husband a very handsome successful man who was a womanizer. They married in their mid-30s, having one child - her. She was born with 2 birth defects. Deaf. Extreme intelligence but along the line of a sevant - she fixed on something analyzing it to the minute degree - to the exclusion of all else. Very early, her mother - fretting over her future - recognized she is going to become a strikingly beautiful woman by every message. The most beautiful deep blue eyes. Coal black hair. Perfect figure. Tall, sleek but full.

So the mother decided her best future was to become a trophy wife to a rich guy. Her entire education - other than just basic academics - was for the purpose. Intense training. She had to learn nearly 200 facial expressions. Over 100 poises and even more rules about her posture, walk etc. How to touch a man. Makeup. Perfume. What a man wants. What he doesn't. Lessons in sexuality. Lessons in sex. Every school day, she was at home for this. The mother hired pros at tutors. Endless practicing.

For example, facial expressions it was by numbers and body poise by letter. The mother would call of "22d...152y...84ee... etc - the daughter learning how to do each and transition seamlessly until it just became who her daughter is - and how to use this skill. Clothing and on and on and on. Her off the charts sevant fixation of that young girl 100 devoted to learning how to be the perfect woman for the right sort of men.

Deafness was a plus. The man she married has a deaf sister, so knows sign language. If he doesn't want to listen to her, just don't look at her. She can't listen in on him. But she can communicate and was taught to make certain sounds, particularly in sex of course. Very beautiful sounds.

She sees her profession and her personal life as identical. She keeps her self in perfect condition, perfectly clean, perfectly dresses. She interacts with her husband no more and no less than he wants, however she figures it. Showers after he leaves and before he returns - every day. He can travel leaving her behind or taking her. She never complains - ever. In fact, she really admires her husband, total loyalty.

But she is a trophy wife and won't be anything else or capable of anything else - deliberately, though covertly. When the husband's mother tried to teach her to cook, she burned everything. Next time she set the kitchen on fire (minor fire). When he tried to show her how to change a tire then for her to show him she understood, she dumped the tools on the hood of his McLaren and absolutely refused to understand, while seemingly trying really hard. She's not a cook. She's not a tire changer. Not a laundry woman. She does know how to make a bed. Not how to change the sheets (there are mansion employees).

To this day, if she walks thru a group of men they'll be tripping over their own feet. So will some of the women. LOL. She told someone I know well who often talks to her, that if within a wide age range and if not super married or super religious, she can seduce anyone, man or female, but the only reason she is seductive in a passing way is so her husband can be glad he's married to her, with her real subtle seduction always aimed at her husband, unless that would bother him or he's busy. She said they've never had an argument of any kind.

She does blow thru his money. Every year she deliberately wrecks the 6 figure car he buys her - acting like it was just an accident and enough to put the car in the body shop - with the billionaire husband chuckling about it and buying her another. She won't touch a glass of wine that didn't come out of a bottle that cost less than a $1000 - only French wines. She doesn't own a T-shirt or any cheap clothing. But she doesn't want a lot of jewelry as that would distract from her. SHE'S the jewelry.

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One last thing. The husbands family and most friends and associates are all rich. Most the wives were professional women in their pasts (escort). It is an unthinkable breach of their social rules to ever say who you had sex with before marriage or after. It is accepted as fact that any children of a wife that the father is the husband. Any suggestion otherwise intolerable. This is so strong that a man ever mentioning anything otherwise and the other men are duty bound to beat the crap out of him and exclude him socially at least for a while.

Their social structure is very unusual, but that also another matter. Lesbianism is encouraged. Homosexuality is condemned. But in effect that means no tolerance of bisexual men. Once gay, forever must stay gay in their social order. That dates back to rules set to prevent the spread of STDs before there were any cures as they see men as the primary carrier of STDs. STDs testing - men and women - is socially required for those who are not married. It also is expected to be privately done if anyone stepped out of their marriage. They even have ways to indicate where a person is at sexually in many regards other than just wedding rings.

She told my friend there has never been a divorce in the history of her husband's family and clan with the ancestry known going back about 3 centuries and and somewhat for some lineage even longer than that. For this reason, jealousy is never a problem. The patriarch of the family can trace his paternal ancestry back about 800 years, but it is ethnically mixed - white, Native American, Latino, black (rare). The chances any of those women would have ever registered as a prostitute is when-hell-freezes-over and the very concept is unthinkable.

I agree with that.

OK, I'll stop. I though SDET might find this interesting.
 
SDET said:
Wow! That is amazing. The never complaining part is crucial. Gratitude is the only thing that I would think that stronger than "hitting the wall".
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She sees men as extremely simplistic and that they never can be negatively motivated without becoming bitter and distant. But men also are very easily motivated positively. As long as it is realistic, not fake, there is no such thing as building a man's ego too much - but again subtly. To her it is obvious. Give the man no reasons to not want you and he'll go out his way for you - plus then she'll never not want him too.
 
joko104 said:
Pointing out your internal message contradictions and how your messages are detached from reality isn't trolling.
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That's not what you are doing. I mentioned several times YOUR contradictions: one, that legalizing an activity in which currently 100% of participants are illegal, and after legalization only a subset of those will remain illegal by not complying with the new rules, would lead to MORE arrests (given that the number of illegal people would decrease, not increase, it would obviously result in FEWER arrests - still, you say that I hate prostitutes because I'm advocating for more arrests, which is not what I'm doing, so you're employing a straw man); two, your classical slippery slope that this would lead to unwarranted escalating and catastrophic states, an escalation that is debunked by the fact that it never happened in countries that have adopted legalization; but you didn't address any of my points and just insisted with the fallacies, which is a well-known trolling strategy, like my link about trolling demonstrates.

QED

So, maybe you're not a troll (I've enjoyed other interactions with you in the past and although I pretty much disagree frequently with you, at least you present some valid arguments at times), but in this instance, you are ACTING like a troll.
 
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OK, I'll stop. I though SDET might find this interesting.
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I also found it interesting. Too bad it seems like it's a fantasy. First of all, how would you know such details, including various of her states of mind? If she is so careful like she describes, she wouldn't be telling YOU all that. Second, some details don't add up. She is deaf, but she carries a pad to write her lines to men in parties and be written back? You never mentioned that she is also mute. Often deaf people CAN speak. And often they can read lips. With all this education she received to be a perfect trophy wife, one would expect that reading lips would be part of it.

Anyway, you have good writing skills. You could write a novel. The richness in details is impressive. Too bad it's the very thing that betrays your story as a fantasy, since in no possible scenario you would have access to all these details, unless you are that woman and you post here with a pseudonym and a male facade.

Nice try, though.
 
She's absolutely right! I find it odd on this message board that people refer to those bitter and distant men as "incels". No, they are men with decades of experience in the negative motivation you describe. Many independent prostitutes have figured this out. I have met some that don't even ask for money! Maybe that makes them technically not a prostitute, I guess. Her price is "whatever you think I'm worth". From me, that kind gets double the going rate. I don't understand why you have an aversion to prostitution. I am amazed that the ugly and drug addled women are even marketable. All I can say it that American men must be indescribably desperate.

joko104 said:
She sees men as extremely simplistic and that they never can be negatively motivated without becoming bitter and distant. But men also are very easily motivated positively. As long as it is realistic, not fake, there is no such thing as building a man's ego too much - but again subtly. To her it is obvious. Give the man no reasons to not want you and he'll go out his way for you - plus then she'll never not want him too.
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Don't underestimate the power of statistical outliers. Rather than a fantasy, I would call it a one out of 100 million occurrence. That would mean that there are three, count 'em three, people in the whole USA in a similar circumstance.

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I also found it interesting. Too bad it seems like it's a fantasy. First of all, how would you know such details, including various of her states of mind? If she is so careful like she describes, she wouldn't be telling YOU all that. Second, some details don't add up. She is deaf, but she carries a pad to write her lines to men in parties and be written back? You never mentioned that she is also mute. Often deaf people CAN speak. And often they can read lips. With all this education she received to be a perfect trophy wife, one would expect that reading lips would be part of it.

Anyway, you have good writing skills. You could write a novel. The richness in details is impressive. Too bad it's the very thing that betrays your story as a fantasy, since in no possible scenario you would have access to all these details, unless you are that woman and you post here with a pseudonym and a male facade.

Nice try, though.
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GreatNews2night said:
I also found it interesting. Too bad it seems like it's a fantasy. First of all, how would you know such details, including various of her states of mind? If she is so careful like she describes, she wouldn't be telling YOU all that. Second, some details don't add up. She is deaf, but she carries a pad to write her lines to men in parties and be written back? You never mentioned that she is also mute. Often deaf people CAN speak. And often they can read lips. With all this education she received to be a perfect trophy wife, one would expect that reading lips would be part of it.

Anyway, you have good writing skills. You could write a novel. The richness in details is impressive. Too bad it's the very thing that betrays your story as a fantasy, since in no possible scenario you would have access to all these details, unless you are that woman and you post here with a pseudonym and a male facade.

Nice try, though.
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Anyone can believe what they want. I'm being careful in that some of this is in confidence and billionaires aren't all that common.

"Someone I know VERY well" knows her rather well, so most is hearsay though I met her and the person I know is more than someone I've just chatted with time to time. She also was on a different forum (defunct), which lead to the person I know meeting her (some on that forum decided to meet each other in person at a rally), and would sometimes tell her perspectives and some about herself. She wrote poorly and oddly like English wasn't her language, is quasi illiterate or mentally handicapped. However it could be understood what she was saying.

As stated, her home education was highly specialized and her thinking is not entirely normal in that she fixates to the exclusion of other matters. So it's like saying a sevant can't be intelligent because he doesn't know how to tie his shoes. But actually he might be able to do calculus in his head or play the piano like a master.

I don't know why she was not taught to precisely read lips or learn how to speak well. I would think both are very difficult. Her parents are French, so maybe she did learn as a child, but learned French, not English. I don't much about her parents. Her writing on the notepad is simplistic words and broken, but that might be to write shorter and can be in backwards order. As analogy, she would probably write "store going" rather than "I'm going to the store." Again, that could because she is converting French to English, being briefer, or just doesn't have high language skilled as a handicap. I don't know what I don't know. Possibly she can read lips and speak somewhat but opts not to because deaf people can sound mentally retarded and she uses her note pad tactically as I explained. Maybe some combination of that.

There are more details I could write, particularly about the family/clan she married into, but I've written enough. SDET likes to write about women, beautiful woman, and about different women specifically so I thought he might find it interests. The relevancy to this topic is prostitution, which is what made me think of her and this.
 
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Don't underestimate the power of statistical outliers. Rather than a fantasy, I would call it a one out of 100 million occurrence. That would mean that there are three, count 'em three, people in the whole USA in a similar circumstance.
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Of the prostitutes south of the border you have knowledgeable opinions on, how many do you think would pay the money and go thru the steps to register, carry an prostitution license, pay $150 every 3 months for an STDs test, go thru prostitution classes, and given the government a cut of their money?
 
SDET said:
She's absolutely right! I find it odd on this message board that people refer to those bitter and distant men as "incels". No, they are men with decades of experience in the negative motivation you describe. Many independent prostitutes have figured this out. I have met some that don't even ask for money! Maybe that makes them technically not a prostitute, I guess. Her price is "whatever you think I'm worth". From me, that kind gets double the going rate. I don't understand why you have an aversion to prostitution. I am amazed that the ugly and drug addled women are even marketable. All I can say it that American men must be indescribably desperate.
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I have zero aversion to prostitution. Never hiring one even while working with them isn't aversion. My tastes are different as for my comments on the pictures on the link you provided. Plus friends don't charge friends. (I think you can figure that sentence out.)

My opinion is simple. Keep prostitution off the streets - mostly for the sake of young teenage boys (STD concern) and the prostitutes (violence). Otherwise leave them alone rather than piling criminal regulations on them, which wouldn't work anyway.
 
In Bolivia, most of them, except I'm sure it's much less than 1,000 BOB for a license. There are no classes, only a MONTHLY medical exam.

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Of the prostitutes south of the border you have knowledgeable opinions on, how many do you think would pay the money and go thru the steps to register, carry an prostitution license, pay $150 every 3 months for an STDs test, go thru prostitution classes, and given the government a cut of their money?
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