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Should Intersexed people be forced into a gender/sex at birth?

roguenuke said:
No one has said that we would raise them a society with no gender or sex.
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sex comes in only two categories. Male and female. so to race them as some imaginary sex that doesn't exist is to raise them sexless. You might as well tell them they are a leprechaun.

It would be including a sex/gender, both or none or intersexed, in with male and female.
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to raise a child who sex is none or gender is none that is raising them without sex or gender.

So the both thing doesn't make sense how do you raise a child that has both a boy and a girl. The child is one person.

There is no real evidence that they would be crippled, particularly in this day and age of inclusiveness in schools around the country.
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Yeah, so it's experimentation in a child. Again that's extremely unethical.

What part of intersexed people are naturally born that way did you not understand? It is doctors and parents who have to perform surgeries or give hormones to the children to raise them differently.
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No part of it I understand that just fine.
 
How would one raise an intersexed child?
 
CLAX1911 said:
sex comes in only two categories. Male and female. so to race them as some imaginary sex that doesn't exist is to raise them sexless. You might as well tell them they are a leprechaun.

to raise a child who sex is none or gender is none that is raising them without sex or gender.

So the both thing doesn't make sense how do you raise a child that has both a boy and a girl. The child is one person.

Yeah, so it's experimentation in a child. Again that's extremely unethical.


No part of it I understand that just fine.
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They are both sexes, and there is no legitimate reason to not raise them as both until they are old enough to decide to change or continue to be intersexed.

It is not experimenting on children. It is raising them as they are naturally born rather than placing societal expectations on them that match a sex/gender chosen by their parents. Research has shown that such expectations are bad, and can lead to serious negative consequences.

'''You can'''t undo surgery''': More parents of intersex babies are rejecting operations

Three U.S. surgeons general, the United Nations, the World Health Organization, Physicians for Human Rights, the American Academy of Family Physicians, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have condemned medically unnecessary surgery on these children.
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That is a lot of medical people who disagree with your stance.
 
AProudLefty said:
How would one raise an intersexed child?
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The only way I think you can do it is to be honest with the child. This doesn't mean telling them that gender and sex is arbitrary. This would mean explain to them that they are fundamentally different from the other children. The other side of that is that it's okay to be different. And if one day they want to choose to be male it female they can.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The only way I think you can do it is to be honest with the child. This doesn't mean telling them that gender and sex is arbitrary. This would mean explain to them that they are fundamentally different from the other children. The other side of that is that it's okay to be different. And if one day they want to choose to be male it female they can.
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Good. One thing though, identity isn't a choice.
 
AProudLefty said:
How would one raise an intersexed child?
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What would be an issue? The only one I can think of would be restrooms, and accommodations could be made. Hell my children used the women's restroom until they were about 5-6. And by that time, either they can choose to identify as male or female or continue to be intersexed. I don't see what would be so hard about this. It would require other people looking at sex differently and working to accomodate that. But it still is better for them than what we currently do, force them into being one or the other because of social pressure at birth, failure to accept that they exist and are not defective.
 
roguenuke said:
They are both sexes, and there is no legitimate reason to not raise them as both until they are old enough to decide to change or continue to be intersexed.
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they would continue to be intersexed regardless that is in their DNA and you can't change that.

They can't be both sexes that would require them to be two people.

It is not experimenting on children.
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But you said there wasnt any evidence that they would be socially crippled. So if you try something without any idea that it will work that by definition is experimenting.

It is raising them as they are naturally born rather than placing societal expectations on them that match a sex/gender chosen by their parents. Research has shown that such expectations are bad, and can lead to serious negative consequences.
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How would you raise someone as Intersex? What does that mean?



That is a lot of medical people who disagree with your stance.
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as far as I know my stance on how you would raise an intersex child is I don't know. You were the one with a definite idea you raise them as both or neither sex I'm asking you how do you do that. What does that mean?
 
AProudLefty said:
Sure.

MRI scans suggest transgender people’s brains resemble their identified gender: study - National | Globalnews.ca
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So identity is not a choice. Okay i identify as Christian, this it isn't a choice to worship Christ.

I know there are studies on brain chemistry and development of religious people vs non religious people.

So to make fun of Christians or to tell them they are stupid for believing in God and Jesus is just as bad as telling trans people that shouldn't be trans?
 
CLAX1911 said:
So identity is not a choice. Okay i identify as Christian, this it isn't a choice to worship Christ.

I know there are studies on brain chemistry and development of religious people vs non religious people.

So to make fun of Christians or to tell them they are stupid for believing in God and Jesus is just as bad as telling trans people that shouldn't be trans?
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I was a Christian. My family is Christian. Besides the type of religion has nothing to do with the study on tendency or feeling religious. Feeling religious might be a part of DNA but it's a choice to worship specific deities.
The types of religious people I make fun of are Fundies.
 
AProudLefty said:
I was a Christian. My family is Christian. Besides the type of religion has nothing to do with the study on tendency or feeling religious. Feeling religious might be a part of DNA but it's a choice to worship specific deities.
The types of religious people I make fun of are Fundies.
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so identity is a choice. If I identify as Christian that would require me to worship Jesus because that's what Christian means.

Or is identity only a choice when it's an identity you want to ridicule?

What about ridiculing Muslims for their wacky beliefs? Is that okay?
 
CLAX1911 said:
they would continue to be intersexed regardless that is in their DNA and you can't change that.

They can't be both sexes that would require them to be two people.

But you said there wasnt any evidence that they would be socially crippled. So if you try something without any idea that it will work that by definition is experimenting.

How would you raise someone as Intersex? What does that mean?



as far as I know my stance on how you would raise an intersex child is I don't know. You were the one with a definite idea you raise them as both or neither sex I'm asking you how do you do that. What does that mean?
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Not at all. It would just require them to be recognized as a new situation in sex (relative only to the fact that we didnt recognize them in the past, forcing them to conform to one or the other when they are both).

There is not even a lot that needs to be done. Just a little tolerance and understanding.

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CLAX1911 said:
they would continue to be intersexed regardless that is in their DNA and you can't change that.

They can't be both sexes that would require them to be two people.

But you said there wasnt any evidence that they would be socially crippled. So if you try something without any idea that it will work that by definition is experimenting.

How would you raise someone as Intersex? What does that mean?



as far as I know my stance on how you would raise an intersex child is I don't know. You were the one with a definite idea you raise them as both or neither sex I'm asking you how do you do that. What does that mean?
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You simply raise them with the knowledge that they are intersexed, they have the sexual organs or DNA of both sexes or they have a mismatch between the sexual organs and their DNA. What specifically is required to raise a child as a boy or a girl? How do you raise them as those sexes?

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CLAX1911 said:
so identity is a choice. If I identify as Christian that would require me to worship Jesus because that's what Christian means.

Or is identity only a choice when it's an identity you want to ridicule?

What about ridiculing Muslims for their wacky beliefs? Is that okay?
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If it's their choice to believe in wacky things, that's on them. But feeling religious? We all have experienced that. You choose to identify as a Christian and that can change at any time because thats a meme, with little part in biology.

If you want to talk about acting the part and identify as an opposite sex, sure you can do that. Actors do that all the time. There's something called method acting.
 
CLAX1911 said:
so identity is a choice. If I identify as Christian that would require me to worship Jesus because that's what Christian means.

Or is identity only a choice when it's an identity you want to ridicule?

What about ridiculing Muslims for their wacky beliefs? Is that okay?
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What beliefs is he ridiculing people for holding and in what way is he ridiculing them?

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roguenuke said:
Not at all. It would just require them to be recognized as a new situation in sex (relative only to the fact that we didnt recognize them in the past, forcing them to conform to one or the other when they are both).
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what does it mean to conform to 1 or the other? Give me an explanation or an example if you don't mind.

There is not even a lot that needs to be done. Just a little tolerance and understanding.
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so how does our society not tolerate intersexed people? Are there like extermination camps for intersexed people? Are there forced gender assignment camps for intersexed people?

Understanding is fundamentally different than tolerance. Tolerating something existing is not going out of your way to exterminate or extinguish it. For example we don't tolerate cockroaches we exterminate them with malice and prejudice. That's intolerance.

Understanding is more. It's willful and dare I say desiring to comprehend someone else's station in life.

We've already got the tolerance taken care of we're not exterminating them.
 
roguenuke said:
You simply raise them with the knowledge that they are intersexed, they have the sexual organs or DNA of both sexes or they have a mismatch between the sexual organs and their DNA. What specifically is required to raise a child as a boy or a girl? How do you raise them as those sexes?

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How do you raise a child boy or girl? Give examples please.
 
roguenuke said:
What beliefs is he ridiculing people for holding
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if you actually read what I was responding to you would know.

But I understand people are lazy so I went ahead and found the post and I'm in a posted here for you where he admits to making fun of people.

AProudLefty said:
The types of religious people I make fun of are Fundies.
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All you have to do is ****ing read. Christ in heaven people are lazy.

and in what way is he ridiculing them?
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do you ever ask people why they ridiculed transgender or gay people or do you care?

I'm guessing you don't care. That's good you shouldn't. I would think tormenting people in such a state is wrong. No matter what their identity is. Then again I'm consistent I think of all people as equal. Everyone should get the same treatment.

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CLAX1911 said:
How do you raise a child boy or girl? Give examples please.
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That is what I'm asking you since you seem to believe that we can only raise them like that rather than as both or as neither.

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CLAX1911 said:
if you actually read what I was responding to you would know.

But I understand people are lazy so I went ahead and found the post and I'm in a posted here for you where he admits to making fun of people.



All you have to do is ****ing read. Christ in heaven people are lazy.

do you ever ask people why they ridiculed transgender or gay people or do you care?

I'm guessing you don't care. That's good you shouldn't. I would think tormenting people in such a state is wrong. No matter what their identity is. Then again I'm consistent I think of all people as equal. Everyone should get the same treatment.

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Do you know what a Fundie is?

Ok why do they ridicule transgender and gay people?
 
CLAX1911 said:
if you actually read what I was responding to you would know.

But I understand people are lazy so I went ahead and found the post and I'm in a posted here for you where he admits to making fun of people.



All you have to do is ****ing read. Christ in heaven people are lazy.

do you ever ask people why they ridiculed transgender or gay people or do you care?

I'm guessing you don't care. That's good you shouldn't. I would think tormenting people in such a state is wrong. No matter what their identity is. Then again I'm consistent I think of all people as equal. Everyone should get the same treatment.

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[/QUOTE]There is a difference between ridiculing people and ridiculing their beliefs.

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