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When "gender fluidity" means "take off your clothes in front of this opposite-sex person, or else"

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Kal'Stang said:
How about we just throw them all in a dungeon covered with straw and fed gruel once a day. **** em right?
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That is crossing a line. You should know better!
 
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ecofarm said:
It's safe to assume transgenders aren't faking. Presuming they are is bigoted.
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This is a bull**** cop out response. Here you have an example of one person’s culture being used to disrespect another’s and in violation of their first amendment right. This is a travesty really. This easily could have been avoided by simply respecting a man’s religion.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Will you go to jail if you're accused of something not necessarily if you're guilty. So people shouldn't lose their rights because they are accused of something. After their sentence I'm going to have a little less sympathy.
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Huh?..
 
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tac138777 said:
This is a bull**** cop out response. Here you have an example of one person’s culture being used to disrespect another’s and in violation of their first amendment right. This is a travesty really. This easily could have been avoided by simply respecting a man’s religion.
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You are more concerned about a convicted felon's religious rights than a transgender guard? :lol:
 
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Bodhisattva said:
You are more concerned about a convicted felon's religious rights than a transgender guard? :lol:
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Not a convicted felon if you was a convicted felon it would not be taking place in a jail it would be taking place in a prison. And it's not his religious rights over a guard it's his religious rights over a guard being able to perform this particular task.

If it's possible to perform this task without having the transgender guard present and it should be done why is that too much to ask?
 
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tac138777 said:
This is a bull**** cop out response. Here you have an example of one person’s culture being used to disrespect another’s and in violation of their first amendment right. This is a travesty really. This easily could have been avoided by simply respecting a man’s religion.
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Meh, I don't coddle snowflakes. He can butch up.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Are you sure it doesn't have to do with how the brain categorizes itself for submissive or dominant behavior? Maybe a really effeminate guys brain just categorizes itself sorta the way a really effeminate female's does.
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I would need to see a peer-reviewed study that focuses on tomboys and effeminate men identifying as a gender matching their sex before I could reach any conclussions about that. I'm wary of 'maybe'. People have a bad habit of basing policy and stances on speculation and assumptios, and I don't want to fall into that trap, if I can avoid it.
 
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ecofarm said:
Meh, I don't coddle snowflakes. He can butch up.
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I guess you could say the same about transgenders. :hm:

The FACT is the right and decent human thing could have been done here. But it wasn’t.

So which is it for you? Are you militantly for transgenders or militantly opposed to religion? Or Islam? Because only one of those 3 would lead to such a lack of human decency and civility.
 
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tac138777 said:
I guess you could say the same about transgenders. :hm:

The FACT is the right and decent human thing could have been done here. But it wasn’t.

So which is it for you? Are you militantly for transgenders or militantly opposed to religion? Or Islam? Because only one of those 3 would lead to such a lack of human decency and civility.
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I'm pro everyone and anti snowflake. Butch up, inmate, I say.
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm pro everyone and anti snowflake. Butch up, inmate, I say.
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Somehow I doubt that. Because you are letting something override a basic sense of decency that would have required a simple change of officer to resolve and respect a HUMAN’S religion and culture.

Are you normally intollerant of religion? Or is it only when it conflicts with the transgender agenda?
 
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tac138777 said:
Somehow I doubt that. Because you are letting something override a basic sense of decency that would have required a simple change of officer to resolve and respect a HUMAN’S religion and culture.

Are you normally intollerant of religion? Or is it only when it conflicts with the transgender agenda?
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The guard is male. I get the inmate doesn't understand that, but too bad. Prison doesn't come with grad classes in gender. He'll need to ignorantly deal with it, or accept science and go on with his life for whatever that might be worth.
 
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Transgender is no different from the fads of body piercing and tattoos. There is no tattoo gene, yet some people change their entire surface area so they appear different and unique. Even if they tattoo reptile skin all over themselves they are still not considered reptiles, unless the propaganda machines decides the mindless masses will buy trans-species. It is a fad of self expression where people, who are collective minded, superficially try to be appear unique.

The left is conducting mind manipulation experiments on its base, to see how far they can be manipulated people, to lose touch with reality.
 
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wellwisher said:
Transgender is no different from the fads of body piercing and tattoos. There is no tattoo gene, yet some people change their entire surface area so they appear different and unique. Even if they tattoo reptile skin all over themselves they are still not considered reptiles, unless the propaganda machines decides the mindless masses will buy trans-species. It is a fad of self expression where people, who are collective minded, superficially try to be appear unique.

The left is conducting mind manipulation experiments on its base, to see how far they can be manipulated people, to lose touch with reality.
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I dont think its manipulation I think people just want hope and wishes and it comes from a branch of empathy and feeling for the person. Until $$$$$ gets involved doctors love victims OF ANY TYPE. If you are a victim of something (anythign really) a doctor or a therapist can make $$$$$$ off it. Therefore doctors LOVE victims. Wether it be victim of desiese or health issues or self rejection. Dont get me wrong some doctors are good guys but in general doctors still LOVE victims.

I think we have a problem that guys cant be ultra-effemanite and still see themselves as male. Not only is the breeding pool rejecting them but they are rejecting themselves. You dont have to be gay to wear pink. Guys can still be male and wanna cuddle with baby chickens.


I still think most of this stems from porn. Guys watch porn around 12 years old and see how hard girls have orgasms in porn while the guy just sorta does nothing during climax. So by association they think "wow I wanna be a girl, they have more fun" but then around 18-25 they realize porn is completely fake and guys and girls have the same orgasms.

The only reason I wanted to be a girl when I was 12 was cuz of their wild orgasms in porn. It looked intense. Plus I also was more empathetic than average but empathy has nothing to do with sexuality. Which is weird that ultra-effeminate males that are straight shame themselves (probably because the breeding pool has shamed them so many times)
 
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ecofarm said:
The guard is male. I get the inmate doesn't understand that, but too bad. Prison doesn't come with grad classes in gender. He'll need to ignorantly deal with it, or accept science and go on with his life for whatever that might be worth.
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The guard is gender male. The man’s religion does not care about gender. Only sex. The guard was sex female. And that is the only hard science here. Gender is a biological science. It is a social science. Defined in the 50s for anthropological categorization. So trying to pretend the Muslim is ignoring hard science is you trying to make excuses to ignore what could have been a simple switch to respect a man’s religious rights. It also would not have been an unreasonable accommodation. As there were other guards there.

So you hate religion then? That’s it?
 
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tac138777 said:
The guard is gender male. The man’s religion does not care about gender. Only sex. The guard was sex female. And that is the only hard science here. Gender is a biological science. It is a social science. Defined in the 50s for anthropological categorization. So trying to pretend the Muslim is ignoring hard science is you trying to make excuses to ignore what could have been a simple switch to respect a man’s religious rights. It also would not have been an unreasonable accommodation. As there were other guards there.

So you hate religion then? That’s it?
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Gender is founded in biology, chemistry and brain and medical science. It's not invented whole cloth. Further, sociology is a science. To claim otherwise is anti intellectual trailer park trash talk.

The guard is male in the only way that matters, to him. Everyone must deal with it, even snowflake inmates.
 
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ecofarm said:
Gender is founded in biology, chemistry and brain and medical science. It's not invented whole cloth. Further, sociology is a science. To claim otherwise is anti intellectual trailer park trash talk.
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Negative.

1) Sociology is not a hard science. It isn’t mathematical. It isn’t biology. It is a liberal arts “science.” I’m not saying it doesn’t have merits or value. But it isn’t the same as medical or biological science.

2) Gender may have roots in said areas, but ultimately? One presents as either male or female SEX (with a minutia being the minuscule amount not having defining characteristics of sex). And the man whose religious rights were violated? He had enough information to tell him that he was actually a sex Female. Or else this wouldn’t be an issue.

The guard is male in the only way that matters, to him. Everyone must deal with it, even snowflake inmates.
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Wrong. The Guards sex actually does matter when he goes to the doctor. He doesn’t get to claim to be a he biologically and expect it to be the doctor’s fault if something is not tested or examined based on “gender” rather than sex. And as above, clearly the guard has enough identifiable characteristics to be labeled as a member of the female sex.

Can you please provide us why we should ignore this man’s sincerely held religious belief? He would be given a pork free diet upon request. Surely requesting a sex male guard to examine him does not create any form of undue burden on the system. It also is not an unreasonable accommodation. And given that this is a “sincerely held religious belief” then why not allow another guard to do so?

So exactly how long have you been intolerant of religion?

Oh

For reference:

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/freedom-religion-prison
 
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tac138777 said:
Negative.

1) Sociology is not a hard science. It isn’t mathematical. It isn’t biology. It is a liberal arts “science.” I’m not saying it doesn’t have merits or value. But it isn’t the same as medical or biological science.

2) Gender may have roots in said areas, but ultimately? One presents as either male or female SEX (with a minutia being the minuscule amount not having defining characteristics of sex). And the man whose religious rights were violated? He had enough information to tell him that he was actually a sex Female. Or else this wouldn’t be an issue.



Wrong. The Guards sex actually does matter when he goes to the doctor. He doesn’t get to claim to be a he biologically and expect it to be the doctor’s fault if something is not tested or examined based on “gender” rather than sex. And as above, clearly the guard has enough identifiable characteristics to be labeled as a member of the female sex.

Can you please provide us why we should ignore this man’s sincerely held religious belief? He would be given a pork free diet upon request. Surely requesting a sex male guard to examine him does not create any form of undue burden on the system. It also is not an unreasonable accommodation. And given that this is a “sincerely held religious belief” then why not allow another guard to do so?

So exactly how long have you been intolerant of religion?

Oh

For reference:

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/freedom-religion-prison
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Before I bother with your take on sociology and gender, what are your degrees, minors or specialties in either. I'm highly educated on the subjects so I'm not really interested in further debating it with less, given our rather tedious exchanges.
 
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tac138777 said:
I guess you could say the same about transgenders. :hm:

The FACT is the right and decent human thing could have been done here. But it wasn’t.

So which is it for you? Are you militantly for transgenders or militantly opposed to religion? Or Islam? Because only one of those 3 would lead to such a lack of human decency and civility.
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The transgendered person is doing a job... hated to go slippery slope but what is next? Don't want transgendered people delivering your mail or arresting you and touching you putting you in cuffs. Point is they are doing a public job. There is no lack of human decency or civility... jeez, emotional break down much? I could just as easily argue that the prisoner is showing lack of civility and human decency by bitching like a ****ing asshole about a person doing their job.
 
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tac138777 said:
Somehow I doubt that. Because you are letting something override a basic sense of decency that would have required a simple change of officer to resolve and respect a HUMAN’S religion and culture.

Are you normally intollerant of religion? Or is it only when it conflicts with the transgender agenda?
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I am not intolerant of religion but I understand that religion is stupid and attracts weak minded people...

That said, stop whining.

And why is HUMAN in caps... are you indicating that the prisoner is a human but the transgender is not?
 
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wellwisher said:
Transgender is no different from the fads of body piercing and tattoos. There is no tattoo gene, yet some people change their entire surface area so they appear different and unique. Even if they tattoo reptile skin all over themselves they are still not considered reptiles, unless the propaganda machines decides the mindless masses will buy trans-species. It is a fad of self expression where people, who are collective minded, superficially try to be appear unique.

The left is conducting mind manipulation experiments on its base, to see how far they can be manipulated people, to lose touch with reality.
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Manipulation experiments? :lol:

Naw... just accepting people are different and not insulting them over it... like calling it a fad.
 
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tac138777 said:
Negative.

1) Sociology is not a hard science. It isn’t mathematical. It isn’t biology. It is a liberal arts “science.” I’m not saying it doesn’t have merits or value. But it isn’t the same as medical or biological science.

2) Gender may have roots in said areas, but ultimately? One presents as either male or female SEX (with a minutia being the minuscule amount not having defining characteristics of sex). And the man whose religious rights were violated? He had enough information to tell him that he was actually a sex Female. Or else this wouldn’t be an issue.



Wrong. The Guards sex actually does matter when he goes to the doctor. He doesn’t get to claim to be a he biologically and expect it to be the doctor’s fault if something is not tested or examined based on “gender” rather than sex. And as above, clearly the guard has enough identifiable characteristics to be labeled as a member of the female sex.

Can you please provide us why we should ignore this man’s sincerely held religious belief? He would be given a pork free diet upon request. Surely requesting a sex male guard to examine him does not create any form of undue burden on the system. It also is not an unreasonable accommodation. And given that this is a “sincerely held religious belief” then why not allow another guard to do so?

So exactly how long have you been intolerant of religion?

Oh

For reference:

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/freedom-religion-prison
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"Hard" sciences is an argumentative term with no real meaning or value. Sociology and psychology are very real sciences... the data is just more difficult to quantify.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
"Hard" sciences is an argumentative term with no real meaning or value. Sociology and psychology are very real sciences... the data is just more difficult to quantify.
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That is what I mean. I’m not stating they don’t have validity (though I do have some hang ups about sociology mainly due to my perspectives coming from study in anthropology). My point is not undermined by that though.

The Muslim man has enough information to determine the guard is sex female. He has a right due to a “sincere religious belief” to request a different guard that IS sex male. That is not a safety concern. Nor is it an unreasonable accommodation. Especially given that if he requests a pork free diet (a much more difficult accommodation), he would get it based on extant legal precedent.

The guard has no legal RIGHT being violated here. The guard is not being refused from his job by any figure of authority. The guard is a government agent in fact. And as such, is exercising a power vested in him by the government. Which means that his “right” to do the job is not actually being trampled. He HAS the job and he WAS given the power. But the RIGHT of the prisoner WAS violated. Period.

I hope the ACLU has their ass on this one. The transgender debate needs some ****ING boundaries on rights of one person vs another. I don’t really give a **** about the inmate and could care less if someone identifies as a potato.

I weep for our future.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I am not intolerant of religion but I understand that religion is stupid and attracts weak minded people...

That said, stop whining.

And why is HUMAN in caps... are you indicating that the prisoner is a human but the transgender is not?
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“I’m not intolerant”

“Anyone in group X is stupid and weak minded.”

Yea. That would be intolerance. Bigotry. Whatever the buzzword is.

And human is capiitalized because some People allow their intolerance of differing points of view totally override the concept that the other person they are arguing against is SHOCKINGLY another human being. If you think I give 2 ****s about what gender someone is, you have me mistaken for someone else. I don’t care what SEX someone is unless I’m trying to put my parts in theirs. So I definitely don’t care what gender. Otherwise? They are a just another human. And most humans are self involved assholes who do WANT to do the right thing by others but allow fear and stupidity get in the way.
 
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ecofarm said:
Before I bother with your take on sociology and gender, what are your degrees, minors or specialties in either. I'm highly educated on the subjects so I'm not really interested in further debating it with less, given our rather tedious exchanges.
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Yea. I didn’t think you would have a response. I’m sure you would love to talk about how you are a “doctor and you know what you are doing” lol. People seek second opinions for a reason. I have plenty of education and deal with the legal side of this on application. You don’t have an argument.


The Muslim man has enough information to determine the guard is sex female. He has a right due to a “sincere religious belief” to request a different guard that IS sex male. That is not a safety concern. Nor is it an unreasonable accommodation. Especially given that if he requests a pork free diet (a much more difficult accommodation), he would get it based on extant legal precedent.

The guard has no legal RIGHT being violated here. The guard is not being refused from his job by any figure of authority. The guard is a government agent in fact. And as such, is exercising a power vested in him by the government. Which means that his “right” to do the job is not actually being trampled. He HAS the job and he WAS given the power. But the RIGHT of the prisoner WAS violated. Period.

Can you show me any legal precedent that gives the officer the power to ignore reasonable accommodation of a prisoner?
 
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