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Thoughts on God and Gays! [W: 472]

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I have heard so often that God hates Gays from the religious right. My thought is this, God made people Gay. No matter what people tell you it is not a choice. If it was, no one would be gay. So if God made people gay, and if God does not make mistakes, then how can God hate someone who is as God made him or her. Only if you think God can make mistakes, and so many of them, can you believe God hates Gay people. And if God made Gays the way they are, how can you as a religious person hate someone God made Gay.
 
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independentusa said:
I have heard so often that God hates Gays from the religious right. My thought is this, God made people Gay. No matter what people tell you it is not a choice. If it was, no one would be gay. So if God made people gay, and if God does not make mistakes, then how can God hate someone who is as God made him or her. Only if you think God can make mistakes, and so many of them, can you believe God hates Gay people. And if God made Gays the way they are, how can you as a religious person hate someone God made Gay.
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This man trap or narrative can be split into really two categories Generally.

The first;

The whole "God hates (insert subject here)" really comes down to someone having an opinion and they don't want to defend their opinion so they blame their opinion on God.

That way when you confront them on it they can just say "well I'm just following orders."

The second;

These are the people that are too lazy or not smart enough to question and critically evaluate their religious beliefs. I think this sums up most people in this argument but I think it goes deeper than that to other issues. But I digress.

When you're a Christian and you go out shopping for a church assuming you did this and you're not just part of the church that you were when you were a child. You're looking for one that suits you. And when you pick it because it suited you at the time of picking it you believe what they tell you to believe because it's easier than figuring out what you believe on your own.
 
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independentusa said:
I have heard so often that God hates Gays from the religious right. My thought is this, God made people Gay. No matter what people tell you it is not a choice. If it was, no one would be gay. So if God made people gay, and if God does not make mistakes, then how can God hate someone who is as God made him or her. Only if you think God can make mistakes, and so many of them, can you believe God hates Gay people. And if God made Gays the way they are, how can you as a religious person hate someone God made Gay.
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So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...
 
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independentusa said:
I have heard so often that God hates Gays from the religious right. My thought is this, God made people Gay. No matter what people tell you it is not a choice. If it was, no one would be gay. So if God made people gay, and if God does not make mistakes, then how can God hate someone who is as God made him or her. Only if you think God can make mistakes, and so many of them, can you believe God hates Gay people. And if God made Gays the way they are, how can you as a religious person hate someone God made Gay.
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I only play a psychologist on TV, but hear me out: the two main reasons people hate and fear homosexuals:

1. Ignorant people truly feel that homosexuality is a choice.
2. They are gay themselves and project their shame, hatred and cowardice upon those who are brave enough to come out.
 
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Elvira said:
So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...
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Oh my God. You really wanna do this again? :roll:

Trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia and serial killers, is gross and stupid.
 
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lurchadams said:
I only play a psychologist on TV, but hear me out: the two main reasons people hate and fear homosexuals:

1. Ignorant people truly feel that homosexuality is a choice.
2. They are gay themselves and project their shame, hatred and cowardice upon those who are brave enough to come out.
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Yep. As this study shows.
 
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lurchadams said:
I only play a psychologist on TV, but hear me out: the two main reasons people hate and fear homosexuals:

1. Ignorant people truly feel that homosexuality is a choice.
2. They are gay themselves and project their shame, hatred and cowardice upon those who are brave enough to come out.
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I don't hate or fear them...I respect what the Bible says...the act is wrong in God's eyes...
 
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TheGoverness said:
Yep. As this study shows.
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I can't get your link to come up, Gov, but let me tell you something about gay male porn. I don't like it! I've watched gay male porn thousands of times and every time - nothing but guys having sex!

Very disappointing!
 
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Elvira said:
I don't hate or fear them...I respect what the Bible says...the act is wrong in God's eyes...
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The bible also says it's cool to own slaves and that you should stone adulterers. People sometimes pick and choose what make them comfortable to believe. Many people still believe Barack Obama is a secret muslim from Kenya.
 
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lurchadams said:
The bible also says it's cool to own slaves and that you should stone adulterers. People sometimes pick and choose what make them comfortable to believe. Many people still believe Barack Obama is a secret muslim from Kenya.
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Old covenant versus new covenant...apples and oranges...
 
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independentusa said:
I have heard so often that God hates Gays from the religious right. My thought is this, God made people Gay. No matter what people tell you it is not a choice. If it was, no one would be gay. So if God made people gay, and if God does not make mistakes, then how can God hate someone who is as God made him or her. Only if you think God can make mistakes, and so many of them, can you believe God hates Gay people. And if God made Gays the way they are, how can you as a religious person hate someone God made Gay.
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Just because it is not a choice is not an argument for God caused people to be anything. I think it is the choices humankind has made that has screwed up what otherwise would have been a wonderful planet with all healthy, happy people on it. Maybe homosexuality was intended from the beginning; maybe it wasn't and is the result of choices our ancestors made whenever.

However it happened, we have no control over it now. And since I know a lot of gay people who are among the healthy and happy, it is hard to see that as a serious negative. I'm pretty darn convinced we don't personally choose our sexual orientation but rather we are born with it just as people don't really get to choose their race, height, eye color, hair color, etc. I also think that saying "God hates gays" is little short of blasphemous because I don't believe that for a minute.

I certainly don't hate gays; I don't know anybody who hates gays, and that informs me that any who do are in a very small minority. And God is not among that minority.
 
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Elvira said:
Old covenant versus new covenant...apples and oranges...
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Fear and ignorance shrouded in the embracing of centuries-old musings of of a few monks, is still fear and ignorance.
 
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lurchadams said:
Fear and ignorance shrouded in the embracing of centuries-old musings of of a few monks, is still fear and ignorance.
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lol...
 
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Elvira said:
So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...
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So God makes people murder I thought it was their own selfish intent that made them murder why would your God do that?
 
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TheGoverness said:
Oh my God. You really wanna do this again? :roll:

Trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia and serial killers, is gross and stupid.
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Don't take this the wrong way but maybe you should head her off at the pass.

You know God doesn't make people murder people. A murderer is not something someone intrinsically is it is something that a person becomes after committing an act.

So she's saying essentially God kills people through other people God molests children through other people.
 
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independentusa said:
I have heard so often that God hates Gays from the religious right. My thought is this, God made people Gay. No matter what people tell you it is not a choice. If it was, no one would be gay. So if God made people gay, and if God does not make mistakes, then how can God hate someone who is as God made him or her. Only if you think God can make mistakes, and so many of them, can you believe God hates Gay people. And if God made Gays the way they are, how can you as a religious person hate someone God made Gay.
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I do not find your position tenable.
G_d gives select people a curse (a gay attraction) to overcome. That does not mean he made a mistake, and it certainly does not mean that they can not choose the path G_d wants them to take.
 
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Elvira said:
Old covenant versus new covenant...apples and oranges...
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Well if we're talking about Leviticus which is one of the places where people misinterpret the Bible being against homosexuality then we're talking about old Covenant strictly so please stay on subject.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
So God makes people murder I thought it was their own selfish intent that made them murder why would your God do that?
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Oh I dunno...the same reason He makes you commit homosexual acts...
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Don't take this the wrong way but maybe you should head her off at the pass.

You know God doesn't make people murder people. A murderer is not something someone intrinsically is it is something that a person becomes after committing an act.

So she's saying essentially God kills people through other people God molests children through other people.
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Like God doesn't make you commit homosexual acts...got it...
 
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lurchadams said:
Fear and ignorance shrouded in the embracing of centuries-old musings of of a few monks, is still fear and ignorance.
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Keep in mind you're not talking to a person about their individual beliefs you are talking to what an organization made a person be through threats of ostracism.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Well if we're talking about Leviticus which is one of the places where people misinterpret the Bible being against homosexuality then we're talking about old Covenant strictly so please stay on subject.
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I Cor. 6:9,10...
 
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