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Gay conversion brainwashing

maquiscat said:
So parents should be allowed to have trepanning done on their child?
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It's amazing how easily you confused irreversible physical damage with therapy. You're dismissed.
 
Mizzy22 said:
First of all the assumption than gays need conversion,means that somehow being gay is wrong!
One's personal sexual orientation is no one elses business
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Which also includes allowing that person to change it. People want to change things about themselves all the time; body shape, hair color, eye color, etc. We don't, overall say much against it, yet if it is their orientation they want to change suddenly it's a bad thing.

Step back a step and forget about the therapy itself for the moment. Should a gay person have the right to convert themselves to straight?

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biglawnmower said:
thats how you wanted to infer it, of course.
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No not really. You really did leave that impression. I personally don't think you intended to, but you still ended up doing so. I've done it before

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Superfly said:
If you truly supported gay people, you would understand that people are born gay, just like others are born straight, and no amount of therapy is going to change this.
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This we don't know as fact. We only know that there is no know procedure currently. We don't know definitively what causes orientation. Is it straight genetics? Is a homosexual a chimera with some opposite sex genes controlling sex drive or that developed the brain? Is it something else? Are there several different vector that essentially cause the same thing? There is still so much we don't know.

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Superfly said:
also why are you combining "gay and transgender" - Do you understand that they are nothing alike?

You seem about as knowledgeable about this as you are about how gay people can't drive or play football.
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Because both have very similar persecution problems in society, although the gays are making faster progress than the trans right now.

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late said:
I know a little about this. It's been attempted for decades, started sometime in the 50s or 60s.

One of the rules therapists are supposed to live by is 'do no harm'.

Conversion therapy is way too close to brainwashing to qualify.

Not why I am writing this post. Because we have this track record, we have some history as to outcomes. It's a sad situation when your failures have better lives than your successes. The 'converted' live lives of quiet misery.

This needs to be outlawed.
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I stopped at post 60 so I can make this reply before having to go.to.work

Quite personally, I don't think conversation therapy per se should be banned. The current practices that come under the category, yes, but not the therapy itself.

Think about this. At one point in our medical history all open heart and brain surgeries did more harm than good. If we had banned them instead of specific practices, such as trepanning, we never would have been allowed to develop practices that do work.

There are those who do wish to convert. We should not be stopping the development of any possible treatment for them. I am not claiming that there is any current research on such responsible conversation therapies, but if we do an overall ban, there never can be.

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maquiscat said:
Which also includes allowing that person to change it. People want to change things about themselves all the time; body shape, hair color, eye color, etc. We don't, overall say much against it, yet if it is their orientation they want to change suddenly it's a bad thing.

Step back a step and forget about the therapy itself for the moment. Should a gay person have the right to convert themselves to straight?

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A gay person has the right to try to become straight ,happens all the time.Gay people live a straight life,have a straight marriage.
Of course while this goes on they are suppressing those homosexual feelings,which are bottling up ready to explode,and bring the whole forced straightness tumbling down!
 
Mizzy22 said:
Your assumed facts and definition.
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Wrong, AGAIN by ACTUAL facts and defintions lol
Well you just proved you are severely uneducated about this topic. Here, ill help you.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender
gender
NOUN
1 Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
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So by facts and definition your claim that thave to be and are only tehe same has been proven wrong. Glad I could help with your mistake, please let me know if theres anything else i can educate you on, you're welcome. :)
 
maquiscat said:
Because both have very similar persecution problems in society, although the gays are making faster progress than the trans right now.

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But people in the trans community don't like to be lumped in with the LGB crowd. LGB deals with sexual orientation. Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
 
maquiscat said:
I stopped at post 60 so I can make this reply before having to go.to.work

Quite personally, I don't think conversation therapy per se should be banned. The current practices that come under the category, yes, but not the therapy itself.

Think about this. At one point in our medical history all open heart and brain surgeries did more harm than good. If we had banned them instead of specific practices, such as trepanning, we never would have been allowed to develop practices that do work.

There are those who do wish to convert. We should not be stopping the development of any possible treatment for them. I am not claiming that there is any current research on such responsible conversation therapies, but if we do an overall ban, there never can be.
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That's a reasonable position.

I try to be flexible, I'd be willing to ban it just for kids.

But I'd have to hold my nose while doing it.
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO it works on nobody. also what does playing football and driving have to do with sexual orientation?
Please show factual evidence supported by the medical science community that it changes sexual orientation. Ready, go!
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Mike Pence and Elizabeth Voss are all for gay conversion therapy. :roll:
 
Risky Thicket said:
Mike Pence and Elizabeth Voss are all for gay conversion therapy. :roll:
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LMAO nice!

two intellectual imbeciles when it comes to this topic by far and thats being nice :)
 
TheGoverness said:
Conversion therapy for minors should be outlawed. For adults, if someone wants to go through that kind of process, let them.
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If the councilor knows they are going to do harm then they, the councilor, should not be allowed to do it.
 
Superfly said:
But people in the trans community don't like to be lumped in with the LGB crowd. LGB deals with sexual orientation. Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
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That is a limited experience issue on your part. Most of the LBG community gladly accepted the trans community among them, and the trans we're glad for the added support. Neither tries.to claim as if they were the other, simply that they receive common discrimination.

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maquiscat said:
That is a limited experience issue on your part. Most of the LBG community gladly accepted the trans community among them, and the trans we're glad for the added support. Neither tries.to claim as if they were the other, simply that they receive common discrimination.

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Not limited experience. This was a major of mine for a long time in college, and still an interest of mine. I had many papers to write regarding the issue, and most research I found was that the trans community wasn't appreciative of being lumped in with the LGB community. The LGB community didn't really care if they were lumped in with the trans community, because the LGB community was not having the problems that the trans community was having. The trans community is still having discrimination problems.

My personal friends who are trans have mentioned the same.

Can't speak for you or your friends, or your career, etc. Just telling you what I have learned, as well as what friends have told me.

:peace
 
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