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Women are Angry, Temporarily Powerful—and Very, Very Dangerous

Part II:

Now, does this mean everyone who has ever engaged in sexual activity with alcohol being involved is accused of rape/sexual assault by the girl--no, of course not, since it is so blatantly absurd. However, it puts a tremendous amount of power in the hands of girls and at the expense of guys on a very non-trivial matter (to say the least). One of the most perturbing aspects of it is how oblivious the girls are (by-and-large) about how outrageous the current status quo is.

Now, I, personally, do not drink alcohol (have only drank about 10 times in my life--getting a "buzz"/light-drunkenness only once or twice), don't do any other recreational drugs, stopped going to college parties when I was 21, still go to bars every-so-often/occasionally, etc. etc. This is to say, I'm not a stereotypical "partier" type person/student and the people I choose to hang around with at least are not engaging in this when we are hanging out together or they feel fairly similar to my position. However, people such as myself are in the rather extreme minority (who don't/haven't regularly, heavily engaged in such activities) and anyone who has went to such events (e.g. College Party) knows that the express purpose for the overwhelming majority of people who are regulars is to get "f'cked up & hook up" (for both Males & Females). That is, these College Kids are doing this week after week, year after year, intending to do precisely what is deemed an off-limits high-crime (e.g. get intoxicated and engage in sexual activity) and only guys are held responsible for what is clearly highly pre-meditated actions? Do people not have responsibility for their choices and actions (and by "people" I mean (largely) girls/women)?

If anyone has a son who is a teenager-twenties in our current societies climate, they should be very concerned for them on account of policies such as this and the ideas that neo-feminism (Note, neo-feminism, I'm not referring to 1st & 2nd wave feminism which largely advocated for the vote, women's equal access into the workforce, more power in marriage, etc.--which are all very good & necessary causes) has indoctrinated many (otherwise) fine young ladies into this line of thinking, which ultimately is having horrible effects on M-F relationships--particularly in any long-term format. That is, this policy is ultimately very damaging to both girls and guys (in different ways), however it will manifest itself very quickly and strongly so for a male caught up in the system while for a female it will take much longer before one sees the ramifications of it.
 
xMathFanx said:
Does this extremely tense, hostile, ect. dynamic between the sexes worry you (the reader) at all? Also, do "you" find it highly problematic giving girls the top end of a seesaw (i.e. all of the power) in this arena (which is a very serious matter indeed)? Now, do you think this may become highly damaging to the male psyche as time progresses as well as Male-Female relationships more broadly? This has been Progressives "solution" to the matter of Rape on College Campuses--blow it out of proportion and make it a way larger/more substantial issue than it already was(?)
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LOL And here we see it again....seesaw=pendulum.

Yes...it may take some time before the seesaw evens out. Before the pendulum hangs vertical.

Women have been living without that power, that control, and in fear all this time. Is it right for women to deliberately exacerbate fear and lack of power in men? No. Is it all part of the societal seesaw righting itself? Yup. That's how societal change occurs...by action and reaction. Hopefully diminishing in the negative over time.

But dont expect sympathy just because now you are exposed to something that women have been dealing with for...ever. It's a subtext our entire lives...the weird uncles, the friend's boyfriend, the neighbor guy, the handsy teacher....for most of us it's just learning to identify and avoid but for alot of women, it is forced on us a great deal more.

Men no longer have the power they used to? Boo hoo. Who says you are entitled to it? Nothing wrong with equality in my opinion. Cant live with the 'swings' of the pendulum? Sorry if you cant identify with the swing that women have had to deal with for...ever.
 
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Lursa said:
LOL And here we see it again....seesaw=pendulum.
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Your simpleton worldview is what is truly laughable at best..

Have you ever considered that you have only experienced the world as a woman and thus are not as personally effected by the other side (i.e. some women, in some instances display questionable to inappropriate sexual behavior toward men)? Also, even living as a woman, it should be very clear that this occurs on both sides of the aisle just as for me, a male, can understand the situations you are referring to.

You are attempting to establish a dynamic in which males (by-and-large) are chimpanzees while females (by-and-large) are angels. In reality, both males and females are highly flawed primates, the overwhelming majority of which are heterosexual and will be interested/attracted to the opposite sex. Men "hit on" women, and women "hit on" men. Now, this can sometimes express itself in a questionable to inappropriate manner, based on such factors that I indicated in my previous post (i.e. it really comes down to the individuals, their Social IQ, how sexually aggressive they are, ect. ect). However, to single out one side and suggest that this is where the problem lies is highly problematic at best.

One doesn't have to look any further than how male celebrities, rock stars, ect. are socially treated to see that women/girls are easily just as capable of hyper-aggressive sexual advances and/or gawking that men/boys are. Am I to believe that this has escaped your notice? Also, you could go to any High School basketball/football game across the country and find a group of girls/cheering section openly displaying a rather high level of sexual interest in a one or a small group of males/boys on the team (Side Note: I used to play sports and was also a Security Guard for several years in which I would often do High School sporting events).

Now, anecdotally (since you cited your personal life experiences in general), I am a University senior, now in my mid-twenties, and I can tell you the types of "sexual harassment" that you have largely been citing is entirely commonplace toward me, many of my male friends, and other males I know of (at my age, it is generally understood that most people are not paired off yet (in the long-term, that is) and this "hitting on" the opposite sex is much more commonplace as compared to the "full-grown Adult" population). That is, I have often had my as' spanked/grabbed, girls intentionally brush up against you, at bars/when I used to go to parties girls come up (uninvited) and start grinding/dancing on your genitalia, touch my chest/shoulders/arms/legs (near my genitals)/ect. (uninvited), maintain very strong, sexually charged eye contact, "cat called", ect. ect. ect. Now, many of these situations listed (although questionable and in some instances begin to "cross a line") for the most part I view them as quite benign (and in some cases flattering actually--depending on what happened) would only consider it "sexual harassment (or the like)" under a few conditions (or else there is a large problem with "Crying Wolf"):

A) The situation was so unpleasant and/or highly repetitive that the male felt the need to let them know that they have personal boundaries, and then they still continued (e.g. if a girl touches a males chest (uninvited), the male lets them know that goes beyond their comfort zone, and then the girl still does it again, and again, and again, ect. (and other similar examples based on some of the situations I listed above amongst others)

B ) Something way too forward happened (e.g. they grabbed a males genetalia with their hand (uninvited))


What are your thoughts on this? (I cant wait to see this.....)
 
tl:dnr

didnt read the first ones either, just what I posted.

This is super-cute tho, your pseudo-intellectual "lecture". Your conclusions are all wrong. But this is as far as I got:

xMathFanx said:
Your simpleton worldview is what is truly laughable at best..

Have you ever considered that you have only experienced the world as a woman and thus are not as personally effected by the other side Really???? (i.e. some women, in some instances display questionable to inappropriate sexual behavior toward men)? Also, even living as a woman, it should be very clear that this occurs on both sides of the aisle just as for me, a male, can understand the situations you are referring to.

You are attempting to establish a dynamic in which males (by-and-large) are chimpanzees while females (by-and-large) are angels. Not even close
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:doh

And you considered my view that of a simpleton? :lamo

I did note that you did not directly address my responses...just more pseudo-intellectual blather going off in solidly rehearsed rote.
 
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tl:dnr

didnt read the first ones either, just what I posted.

This is super-cute tho, your pseudo-intellectual "lecture". Your conclusions are all wrong. But this is as far as I got:

:doh

And you considered my view that of a simpleton? :lamo

I did note that you did not directly address my responses...just more pseudo-intellectual blather going off in solidly rehearsed rote.
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@Lursa

Solid argument..
 
xMathFanx said:
@Lursa

Solid argument..
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Odd that you think I just made one.

I did however point out that you did not address my original responses directly.
 
Lursa said:
Odd that you think I just made one.

I did however point out that you did not address my original responses directly.
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I feel genuinely sorry for any male that has contact with you in real life--you are a walking caricature of some of the worst elements in Neo-Feminism.

I gave you more than enough material to open up a discussion about this topic. You'd rather straddle your high horse & pontificate the Neo-Marxist, highly overly-simplistic vision of the world & history you subscribe to.
 
xMathFanx said:
I feel genuinely sorry for any male that has contact with you in real life--you are a walking caricature of some of the worst elements in Neo-Feminism.

I gave you more than enough material to open up a discussion about this topic. You'd rather straddle your high horse & pontificate the Neo-Marxist, highly overly-simplistic vision of the world & history you subscribe to.
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:lamo

So you came to a discussion forum...but have zero ability to discuss? Only share your pseudo-intellectual lectures?

And when you cant refute my arguments (pssssssssssssstt!!! The discussion was well-underway)...you resort to personal attacks (and empty, childish ones with lots of syllables and little foundation :mrgreen:).

Classic Internet fail. And your generation has been raised with this form of communication! :lamo
 
Lursa said:
:lamo

So you came to a discussion forum...but have zero ability to discuss? Only share your pseudo-intellectual lectures?

And when you cant refute my arguments (pssssssssssssstt!!! The discussion was well-underway)...you resort to personal attacks (and empty, childish ones with lots of syllables and little foundation :mrgreen:).

Classic Internet fail. And your generation has been raised with this form of communication! :lamo
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You are unreasonably & hopelessly dense. The title of this Thread is intended specifically about loose-cannon/entitled/conceded/narcissistic Women such as yourself. Ultimately, it is women like you that are going to make Neo-Feminism Self-Destruct as it is becoming ever more obvious to even half-sane people how far "you" have driven the current manifestation of the Women's Advocacy Movement off of a cliff. I only hope that respectable Women such as Christina Hoff Sommers (and such) are able to reclaim the movement (away from people like you) for the sake of Women themselves, Men, & M-F dynamics/relationships at large.

It has been "nice" conversing with you
 
xMathFanx said:
Part II:

Now, does this mean everyone who has ever engaged in sexual activity with alcohol being involved is accused of rape/sexual assault by the girl--no, of course not, since it is so blatantly absurd. However, it puts a tremendous amount of power in the hands of girls and at the expense of guys on a very non-trivial matter (to say the least). One of the most perturbing aspects of it is how oblivious the girls are (by-and-large) about how outrageous the current status quo is.

Now, I, personally, do not drink alcohol (have only drank about 10 times in my life--getting a "buzz"/light-drunkenness only once or twice), don't do any other recreational drugs, stopped going to college parties when I was 21, still go to bars every-so-often/occasionally, etc. etc. This is to say, I'm not a stereotypical "partier" type person/student and the people I choose to hang around with at least are not engaging in this when we are hanging out together or they feel fairly similar to my position. However, people such as myself are in the rather extreme minority (who don't/haven't regularly, heavily engaged in such activities) and anyone who has went to such events (e.g. College Party) knows that the express purpose for the overwhelming majority of people who are regulars is to get "f'cked up & hook up" (for both Males & Females). That is, these College Kids are doing this week after week, year after year, intending to do precisely what is deemed an off-limits high-crime (e.g. get intoxicated and engage in sexual activity) and only guys are held responsible for what is clearly highly pre-meditated actions? Do people not have responsibility for their choices and actions (and by "people" I mean (largely) girls/women)?

If anyone has a son who is a teenager-twenties in our current societies climate, they should be very concerned for them on account of policies such as this and the ideas that neo-feminism (Note, neo-feminism, I'm not referring to 1st & 2nd wave feminism which largely advocated for the vote, women's equal access into the workforce, more power in marriage, etc.--which are all very good & necessary causes) has indoctrinated many (otherwise) fine young ladies into this line of thinking, which ultimately is having horrible effects on M-F relationships--particularly in any long-term format. That is, this policy is ultimately very damaging to both girls and guys (in different ways), however it will manifest itself very quickly and strongly so for a male caught up in the system while for a female it will take much longer before one sees the ramifications of it.
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Tldnr

You should try making your point in 50 words or less, 100 at the most.
 
Urethra Franklin said:
Address the point in hand.

Oh it's you, you won't. You'll just run from the thread you started like usual.
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Urethra Franklin said:
Women and men have the right to refuse a sexual act.

Consenting to oral doesn't mean you've automatically given the green light to vaginal, anal, nasal or whatever else.

If you want to stick it somewhere ask. If (s)he says yes go for it. If (s)he says no, that means NO.
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OK, where do I start? How about 'duh' ?

We all know what the laws on consent are. What am I supposed to address here? It's like saying 'the sky is blue' and expecting some serious reply.
 
Lursa said:
LOL And here we see it again....seesaw=pendulum.

Yes...it may take some time before the seesaw evens out. Before the pendulum hangs vertical.

Women have been living without that power, that control, and in fear all this time. Is it right for women to deliberately exacerbate fear and lack of power in men? No. Is it all part of the societal seesaw righting itself? Yup. That's how societal change occurs...by action and reaction. Hopefully diminishing in the negative over time.

But dont expect sympathy just because now you are exposed to something that women have been dealing with for...ever. It's a subtext our entire lives...the weird uncles, the friend's boyfriend, the neighbor guy, the handsy teacher....for most of us it's just learning to identify and avoid but for alot of women, it is forced on us a great deal more.

Men no longer have the power they used to? Boo hoo. Who says you are entitled to it? Nothing wrong with equality in my opinion. Cant live with the 'swings' of the pendulum? Sorry if you cant identify with the swing that women have had to deal with for...ever.
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What I find interesting is this thread's title. So women are "temporarily powerful"? Does that mean that our usual state is powerlessness?
 
nota bene said:
What I find interesting is this thread's title. So women are "temporarily powerful"? Does that mean that our usual state is powerlessness?
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No, it doesn't imply that. If the policies I described in previous posts were reversed, then men would be "temporarily very powerful".
 
nota bene said:
What I find interesting is this thread's title. So women are "temporarily powerful"? Does that mean that our usual state is powerlessness?
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It's the 'assumed' state. I think we're supposed to "get over it" and then get back to the status quo.

Again...that pendulum.
 
calamity said:
Tldnr

You should try making your point in 50 words or less, 100 at the most.
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Like I wrote, no discussion, no ability to actually refute a specific argument. Just a tirade in a wall of words.
 
If women don't want to have sex, don't. Why did she do it? Guys want to have sex, its biology. Men do many things to try to have sex, and many women enjoy and want men to do those things. If you don't want to , don't do it and say so. Don't go through with it and then later claim you were pushed into it.It seems in this case Ansari wasn't her boss or in a position of power.

I mean you hear often that women like men to take charge, they want to be hit on, attracted by that. But then you hear the other side where women don't want that.
 
Lursa said:
It's the 'assumed' state. I think we're supposed to "get over it" and then get back to the status quo.

Again...that pendulum.
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Please listen to Warren Farrell (and/or read his books) as well as watch the Documentary "The Red Pill" by Cassie Jaye (it is Free with Amazon Prime Video) as an introduction to M-F Gender issue topics (as you certainly need it). You seem highly content to view the world through one set of eye-glasses which give you a very incomplete & thus distorted view of reality

Link to Documentary here: https://www.amazon.com/Red-Pill-Cas...8&qid=1516289434&sr=8-1&keywords=the+red+pill
 
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Lursa said:
It's the 'assumed' state. I think we're supposed to "get over it" and then get back to the status quo.

Again...that pendulum.
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I'm a word-reader, not a mind-reader, and "Women are Angry, Temporarily Powerful—..." says what it says.
 
xMathFanx said:
Please listen to Warren Farrell (and/or read his books) as well as watch the Documentary "The Red Pill" by Cassie Jaye (it is Free with Amazon Prime Video) as an introduction to M-F Gender issue topics (as you certainly need it). You seem highly content to view the world through one set of eye-glasses which give you a very incomplete & thus distorted view of reality
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No, I am here for a discussion. Can you actually discuss the points in my posts or not? Can you 'use your words outside of your safe, prescribed, and pre-thought box?" If you cannot, then why address my posts? No one's here for a lecture, there are blogs for that.

Do you have the mental acumen to address my posts directly or not? I'm guessing not.
 
nota bene said:
I'm a word-reader, not a mind-reader, and "Women are Angry, Temporarily Powerful—..." says what it says.
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Agreed and hence my take on the OP...his words indicate it truly is about men vs women. As if now women are reacting out of a vacuum and not centuries and more of harassment and abuse. There's one woman in the OP but he goes on to include all women.
 
Lursa said:
No, I am here for a discussion. Can you actually discuss the points in my posts or not? Can you 'use your words outside of your safe, prescribed, and pre-thought box?" If you cannot, then why address my posts? No one's here for a lecture, there are blogs for that.

Do you have the mental acumen to address my posts directly or not? I'm guessing not.
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I did, you refused to engage with the (quite detailed) material, as you proceed to do even still
 
Lursa said:
As if now women are reacting out of a vacuum and not centuries and more of harassment and abuse.
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Did you actually read my posts at all? I face "harassment" (and such) in my daily & weekly life by girls/women--at least by the absurdly expansionist definition/concept of "harassment" that women are unidirectionally applying in the current climate (i.e. the standard can only be used toward females, not males)

What are thoughts about this?
 
Lursa said:
Like I wrote, no discussion, no ability to actually refute a specific argument. Just a tirade in a wall of words.
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Wall? Damn. I saw a mountain of words. :lol:
 
truthatallcost said:
I've been worried that our current national climate of punishing men for sexual harassment would eventual spiral out of control, resulting in women abusing our willingness to listen... and it's happened.

Ansari is a married man, so infidelity is his only wrongdoing here, which I'm sure most of us would agree isn't something the world needs to know about.

We need to stand up and give women like this the collective boot when they try to compare this to sexual assault, which Grace is doing. Otherwise, we risk damaging men's lives who don't deserve it.

To be blunt, if you're a woman who throws herself at a man, then let's him eat you out at his apartment, then denies him any reciprocal exchange... that makes you a lousy date, not a sexual assault victim!
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Modern politics by it's nature is blaming people who don't deserve it. It's about getting advantage, views, and headlines and even the gold ring - a interview by a talking head on cable!
 
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