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On the matter of Men, Manliness, Norms and Expectations... wall-o-text warning..

Goshin said:
I already wrote three or four walls-o-text, you expect me to cover EVERYTHING? :)
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I wrote two paragraphs about it I feel like I got to the point better than you did. I did take writing classes though so I can't fault you for that. But would you agree with me?
 
JC Callender said:
You have to purchase a kit and use the drill in the kit to carefully drill a slightly wider hole, then put a new insert in. I didn't trust myself, as one false move making the new hole and I may need a new engine, or at least a new head.
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So you paid someone for know how? Probably a good idea not to cheap out on that. You get what you pay for.

The F250's and I think Explorers from the earlier 2,000's have this issue...they made an error when manufacturing the heads. I think I only had about 150,000 on it, and it was a nice looking Super Duty.
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So preventative maintainance wouldn't have made a difference?

PThe shop I took it too did 2 separate inserts and one came out again, so they told me they wouldn't install anymore since they all failed within about 6 months and that I would need a new engine if it happened again.
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So you saved 850 bucks and destroyed a truck? I hope you learned a lessen about low cost auto repair. Most people can't afford to just throw away an engine.

They would've installed a new head but thought that it probably wouldn't work well with an older engine.
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Boy that's a crooked shop. They just want to sell you a long block. You can put a new head on an old engine.

But yeah, very aggravating getting rid of such a cool truck because someone screwed up the head design and Ford won't fess up to it.
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A short block likely would have solved the problem. That could run between 1k and 2k If you'd done that you'd likely not have had the problems you did. Sends you were being penny wise but pound foolish.

I did have an F250 before that that was ugly as hell...it only cost me $500 and I had to buy it because I got nailed by a Sherwin Williams truck running a red light that totaled my truck and I didn't have full coverage and they were only obligated to pay $1,000 under Michigan law. Once again, didn't want to go into debt, so drove the junker until I had enough saved for the Super Duty. Once the SD went though, I could afford a new truck payment, so now I have a 2015 F150.
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500 dollars wouldn't get you a running truck.

Regarding start up costs, I initially went into residential landscaping, which was mainly maintenance other than lawn cutting. Trimming, weeding, mulching, planting, etc....so there wasn't much startup cost. I remembered borrowing a shovel from someone for one of my first jobs :lol:. I purchased cheaper stuff at first and got into the high end trimmers and things later. I know most startups do require more money, but this was my experience.
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I was a mechanic, that just happens to be my skill. I had to buy tools. Unless you have 10k laying around you have to take a loan.

Btw, not to derail this thread too much, but if you or anyone else reading this ever have problems with Ford trucks in the future, this is a great forum to ask questions and hopefully find answers: Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums - Ford truck and SUV owners and enthusiasts Community And Information Source.
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I am a trained mechanic. I can work on anything.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I think I could give you a better example of being a Man with a capital M. It's being able to take blows that knock you off your feet and stand back up and try again. It's understanding that pain is a fact of life and if you don't give in it will relent. It's taking on responsibility because nobody else will. It's defending the weak frail and infirm. It's losing everything and walking away to start from scratch again.

Now just being responsible for your own mess is simply how not to be a burden. Willingness to help others clean up theirs when the need is there is beyond simply not being a burden. Not complaining about your struggles but asking advise from those with more wisdom to solve them yourself, and learning from them. Being afraid but not being dissuaded by fear from doing what is right.

That to me is how you become a manly man.
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Looking at this, and seeing it as your response to Goshin, everything you state as aspects of a "manly man" is what, in your words
We should expect that from all people and not just men.
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What is it that makes these things such that we should expect from a man, but not a woman?
 
maquiscat said:
Looking at this, and seeing it as your response to Goshin, everything you state as aspects of a "manly man" is what, in your words
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A man that has the qualities I listed above is a "capital M-Man" but that isn't the only way.

What is it that makes these things such that we should expect from a man, but not a woman?
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Expect? No these are not things to expect they are the ideal for me at least. We only expect poeple (men and women) to not be scum bags and that is it.
 
I prefer men to be unafraid of dirt, able to DYI basic home repairs, understand what's under a car hood, catch spiders, carry heavy stuff, and protect women and children. Additional positives are an ability to produce food for the family via crops and livestock.

I also think men should have beards. Clean shaven faces are far too feminine.
 
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