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ChrisL said:
Yes it does. Try getting a baby who was born out of wedlock baptized at a Catholic church. Some will outright deny you, and some will insist that you have a "surrogate" family as godparents who are practicing Catholics. I've also heard of stories from others where the Catholic church will not baptize your children if you are not a practicing member in good faith. IOW, if you aren't making donations to the church.
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could it be that that is actually an act of love? Can't you also foresee people on this site ranting on about the eeeevil Catholic Church baptizing a baby...a BABY for gods sake with parents that had no intention to ever raise that poor innocent baby as a Catholic.

It's a no win situation.
 
Gathomas88 said:
It really not that cut and dry. We are all ultimately imperfect sinners, and unworthy of heaven.

That is exactly why God is said to be merciful.

Exactly how perfect or imperfect a person has to be to meet God's standards is ultimately entirely up to him. The Church only seeks to lead you in the right direction.



None of this was ever Church doctrine.



The Church's purpose is to ultimately carry on the mission Christ himself began while on earth. It should be any surprise that the Bible's teachings reflect the Church's own, as the Church itself was responsible for compiling the Holy Scriptures into their current form in the first place.
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Obviously you've never read the Bible. It's all in there buddy! :mrgreen:
 
VanceMack said:
could it be that that is actually an act of love? Can't you also foresee people on this site ranting on about the eeeevil Catholic Church baptizing a baby...a BABY for gods sake with parents that had no intention to ever raise that poor innocent baby as a Catholic.

It's a no win situation.
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I don't think the Catholic church is evil, just control freaks.
 
ChrisL said:
I should have included "going to mass every Sunday." Because that's a guaranteed ticket to Heaven you know! :mrgreen: Doesn't matter how much of an ass you are, if you repent on Sunday, it's ALL good.
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There is no such thing as a "guaranteed" ticket to heaven. Again, we are all ultimately sinners, and only make it to heaven by the mercy of God alone.

If someone does all the right things, but doesn't truly believe them in their heart, they can still go to Hell.
 
ChrisL said:
I wonder if some guys are turned on by "who's your mommy?" :lamo
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Well...let's see...there was Oedipus. And Freud. So yes...I'd say more than a few. And most of them could probably stand a few visits with the good captain.
 
VanceMack said:
could it be that that is actually an act of love? Can't you also foresee people on this site ranting on about the eeeevil Catholic Church baptizing a baby...a BABY for gods sake with parents that had no intention to ever raise that poor innocent baby as a Catholic.

It's a no win situation.
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Oh? I find it interesting that you call that "an act of love." :shock: You obviously believe that people raised up Catholic are better than others.
 
ChrisL said:
Oh? I find it interesting that you call that "an act of love." :shock: You obviously believe that people raised up Catholic are better than others.
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not at all what I said. It might be considered an act of love to NOT baptize a child that is not going to be raised in the church by churchgoing parents and instead allowing them to make the choice later of their own free will. I know of people that are quite angry that they were baptized as children. If it's something that 'matters' then it should 'matter'. If it doesn't matter, the. It is certainly nothing to be upset over.
 
VanceMack said:
not at all what I said. It might be considered an act of love to NOT baptize a child that is not going to be raised in the church by churchgoing parents and instead allowing them to make the choice later of their own free will. I know of people that are quite angry that they were baptized as children. If it's something that 'matters' then it should 'matter'. If it doesn't matter, the. It is certainly nothing to be upset over.
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I'm not upset about it. I think it's a disgusting practice, and I'm pointing it out. To deny an innocent child a baptism, IF you believe in your Bible, then you are condemning that child. That is the bottom line. Now you can spin it however you want, but the Catholic church is basically saying, If the parents are not conducting their lives according to our standards, then we don't give a crap about their children.
 
ChrisL said:
How can you say you are a Christian and be unfamiliar with your own doctrine?

What Does the Bible Say About Menstruation?

What The Bible Says About The Role of Women
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All of the passages dealing with menstruation are from the Old Testament, and are therefore no longer relevant.

The passages dealing with women really don't say what you claim they do. I don't see anything there supporting domestic violence, or forbidding women or children from speaking out against men.

Even if they did, the Church does not base its doctrines primarily off of scripture anyway. Again, we pretty much wrote the New Testament. It's words do not supersede the interpretations of the Church hierarchy.
 
ChrisL said:
I'm not upset about it. I think it's a disgusting practice, and I'm pointing it out. To deny an innocent child a baptism, IF you believe in your Bible, then you are condemning that child. That is the bottom line. Now you can spin it however you want, but the Catholic church is basically saying, If the parents are not conducting their lives according to our standards, then we don't give a crap about their children.
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There was a religion that didn't Baptize children. The reason for this was that they believed that it was best that you made the choice yourself, or put in another way, found the faith yourself.
 
And if you believe that the Bible is based upon the actual words of GOD himself, then you MUST live by ALL of the doctrines contained within. You cannot pick and choose which ones you will believe and follow and which ones you won't, because according to man-made religion, the Bible is based on the word and commandments of GOD himself.

So, unless God comes out of the sky and makes an announcement that He has changed His mind about this passage or that passage, then they are ALL rules that a faithful Catholic or Christian MUST follow in order to gain entrance into Heaven.
 
Henrin said:
There was a religion(I can't recall the name of it right now) that didn't Baptize children. The reason for this was that they believed that it was best that you made the choice yourself.
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Okay, if you believe in being cleansed of original sin, what happens if you die before you are baptized? What about all the little babies who are born stillborn or who die in the womb?
 
ChrisL said:
I'm not upset about it. I think it's a disgusting practice, and I'm pointing it out. To deny an innocent child a baptism, IF you believe in your Bible, then you are condemning that child. That is the bottom line. Now you can spin it however you want, but the Catholic church is basically saying, If the parents are not conducting their lives according to our standards, then we don't give a crap about their children.
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again...or not. Believe what you want to believe. Where your parents practicing Catholics? Had you been baptized as an infant would you have been raised a Catholic?

I'm not catholic. Personally...I don't believe in baptizing babies. I can't speak for their reasoning but also see no value in assigning my own reasoning just because it suits my anger. Purely conversationally, have you ever asked a priest why they wouldn't baptize an infant in that situation?
 
Gathomas88 said:
All of the passages dealing with menstruation are from the Old Testament, and are therefore no longer relevant.

The passages dealing with women really don't say what you claim they do. I don't see anything there supporting domestic violence, or forbidding women or children from speaking out against men.

Even if they did, the Church does not base its doctrines primarily off of scripture anyway. Again, we pretty much wrote the New Testament. It's words do not supersede the interpretations of the Church hierarchy.
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Oh, so then you are saying that the Bible is WRONG?
 
VanceMack said:
again...or not. Believe what you want to believe. Where your parents practicing Catholics? Had you been baptized as an infant would you have been raised a Catholic?

I'm not catholic. Personally...I don't believe in baptizing babies. I can't speak for their reasoning but also see no value in assigning my own reasoning just because it suits my anger. Purely conversationally, have you ever asked a priest why they wouldn't baptize an infant in that situation?
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Does any of that really matter? It's about being cleansed of original sin.
 
ChrisL said:
I'm not upset about it. I think it's a disgusting practice, and I'm pointing it out. To deny an innocent child a baptism, IF you believe in your Bible, then you are condemning that child. That is the bottom line. Now you can spin it however you want, but the Catholic church is basically saying, If the parents are not conducting their lives according to our standards, then we don't give a crap about their children.
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To be fair, this is something usually done at the discretion of an individual priest, as the "official" doctrine is rather imprecise.

It also is not a guarantee that an unbaptized child will not go to heaven (and I believe that they can still receive last rites even if they are not baptized if death seems imminent).
 
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Gathomas88 said:
To be fair, this is something usually done at the discretion of an individual priest, as the "official" doctrine is rather imprecise.

It also is not a guarantee that an unbaptized child will not go to heaven (and I believe that they can still receive last rites even if they are not baptized if death seem imminent).
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Oh yeah, totally. :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
Does any of that really matter? It's about being cleansed of original sin.
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it APPARENTLY matters a great deal...to you. If it does, I think you should ask someone that might know their reasoning. Again...I don't believe in original sin and couldn't begin to answer why but I would bet someone else might have the answer.
 
ChrisL said:
Okay, if you believe in being cleansed of original sin, what happens if you die before you are baptized? What about all the little babies who are born stillborn or who die in the womb?
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If god exists what will happen to me when I die regardless of being baptized or not? I was baptized as a Lutheran, but I have never practiced the faith or showed any hint of caring for it. What happens if you don't practice the faith? Is it perhaps the same exact thing?
 
Hard Truth said:
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Do a Google image search for "halloween costume school girl" Apparently, a lot of people have issues.
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I wasn't referring to the make-believe fantasy school girls, but the real catholic school girls, in the actual sense of the word.
 
VanceMack said:
it APPARENTLY matters a great deal...to you. If it does, I think you should ask someone that might know their reasoning. Again...I don't believe in original sin and couldn't begin to answer why but I would bet someone else might have the answer.
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Lol! It doesn't matter to me. I was a baby, and I don't believe in the man-made religions. I didn't even know about it until my mother told me. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy.
 
lizzie said:
I wasn't referring to the make-believe fantasy school girls, but the real catholic school girls, in the actual sense of the word.
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Not to mention, the WOMAN in that picture looks to be at least 25 years old. The men who are actually checking out the little girls/young teens in their school uniforms are sickos to say the least. I'll bet most of them are "religious" men too. Lol!
 
ChrisL said:
And if you believe that the Bible is based upon the actual words of GOD himself, then you MUST live by ALL of the doctrines contained within. You cannot pick and choose which ones you will believe and follow and which ones you won't, because according to man-made religion, the Bible is based on the word and commandments of GOD himself.

So, unless God comes out of the sky and makes an announcement that He has changed His mind about this passage or that passage, then they are ALL rules that a faithful Catholic or Christian MUST follow in order to gain entrance into Heaven.
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Technically speaking here, the Church was founded by Christ himself, for the deliberate purpose of serving as an extension of his heavenly kingdom on earth. As such, any official declaration by the Pope is, in theory, anyway, basically the same thing as God himself coming down laying judgment.

The Bible does not supersede that authority.

ChrisL said:
Okay, if you believe in being cleansed of original sin, what happens if you die before you are baptized? What about all the little babies who are born stillborn or who die in the womb?
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Here's what the Archdiocese of Boston has to say on the matter.

BostonCatholic.com

A living infant in danger of death is to be baptized without delay. When a priest or deacon is not available anyone may baptize with the consent of the parents. Catholic hospital personnel should be familiar with the rite found in Chapter V of the ritual Baptism for Children.

Particular care needs to be given when a child is stillborn or dies shortly after birth. Parents will ask, often with sad persistence, that a priest or deacon baptize the child. In their loving concern, the parent’s underlying anxiety is really asking, “Is my unbaptized child with God?” Pastoral caregivers can confidently recall the words from the Catechism:

“As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: ‘Let them come to me, do not hinder them’ allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without baptism.” (CCC 1261)

The words of Pope John Paul II may be a source of solace to mothers feeling guilty over their aborted baby’s eternal fate: “ You will come to understand that nothing is definitively lost and you will be able to ask forgiveness from your child who is now living with the Lord” (The Gospel of Life – 99).

Baptism is a sacrament for the living. But we need to seek and find other rites that express the comfort of faith when infants die before baptism.
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Things are not quite so cruel as you are making out here.

ChrisL said:
Oh, so then you are saying that the Bible is WRONG?
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No, but the Bible can be easily misinterpreted, and not everything contained within it can be said to represent doctrine set in stone.
 
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