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Jesus is the one true God?

ThoughtEx. said:
Well, if that's how I came off, I apologize. I was going more for distant and scholarly trying to explain the concept in a simple way, it's a tough one to grasp. And then everyone started crying foul, and I got defensive. My bad.
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Thank you. I sincerely appreciate that. You're right, it's a difficult concept. I offer my own apology if I misjudged your reasons for posting to this thread.
 
MrPeanut said:
That is really interesting to me. I had no idea that they believed that. I was under the assumption that one of the main reasons Christianity isn't Judaism is because of the belief in the trinity. It seems odd that a branch of Christianity could take that away and still be considered Christian.
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Mormons believe in the Godhead-the father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Where we differ from many of the sects is we think the three personality disorder is plain weird. We actually believe Jesus was praying to His Father, a separate being, and not praying to his first personality.
 
Josie said:
I didn't realize they thought Heavenly Father and God were separate.
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All of them are Gods, but there is only one God the Father, who is above all. When most Mormons say God, they are talking about God the Father. We pray to God the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ.
 
laska said:
Mormons believe in the Godhead-the father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Where we differ from many of the sects is we think the three personality disorder is plain weird. We actually believe Jesus was praying to His Father, a separate being, and not praying to his first personality.
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Oh Okay. Thanks for clearing it up. It is always a little confusing, in other sects of Christianity, when they tell stories about Jesus as if he is separate, but then still fall back on Jesus is God at the end of the day. It's particularly confusing in the passages where Jesus communicates with God.
 
MrPeanut said:
Oh Okay. Thanks for clearing it up. It is always a little confusing, in other sects of Christianity, when they tell stories about Jesus as if he is separate, but then still fall back on Jesus is God at the end of the day. It's particularly confusing in the passages where Jesus communicates with God.
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No problem. But remember Mormons are the deluded not real Christians with the weird theology.
 
Sherman123 said:
Hah, it's not 'flattering' but the full explanation isn't that bad either. Basically avodah zarah is strange/wrong/idol worship, but there's also this idea of ****uf which means that if gentiles think they are practicing monotheism it can be acceptable even if their practice, doctrine, or theology is wrong. The consensus we've developed about Trinitarian Christianity is that it generally falls under this category and not paganism/polytheism/avodah zarah even though it's troublesome and forbidden to Jews.

tl;dr it's acceptable as 'close enough' monotheism for non-Jews.
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Did it ever occur to you just one minute that G-d Almighty wanted to bring salvation to the world? That He loved all mankind so much that his plan included a Savior for the Gentiles?

Look when I read my Bible, the Jew was chosen to set an example to the world to share what holiness meant and be a light to the world. But they were not exactly known for their missionary efforts to spread such things. In fact proselytes were treated like second class citizens.

By the time Solomon built the Temple his father David wanted to, there was a stipulation in the design by G-d to include a court of the Gentiles. In other words a house of worship for all people. But what happened?

Well Jews like everyone else who has ever lived on this earth, dropped the ball. Because of their own sins countered by adding a lot of manmade laws and rules to try and keep people from sinning. They ended up putting such a heavy burden on each individual that it was practically impossible to live within the manmade laws of their own and hardly an inviting invitation to outsiders to join them.

By the time Yeshua came on the scene the court of the Gentiles was being used to sell offerings for profit on designated days of the LORD. That pretty much tells the story doesn't it what the elite Jews in the Sanhedrin thought of Gentiles. Their designated place to worship ordered by the LORD had been turned into a business of for profit.

My friend, the LORD has two sheep pens. He provided to the rest of the world what his chosen people could not deliver.

Today we see the Church going the same way as the Jews during the era of Temples. They have made a great mistake in denying their Jewish roots in their beliefs to the point many no longer study the Old Covenant. Unfortunately for them there is no possible way to fully comprehend the New Covenent without full understanding of the Old which leads to a lot of false teachings.

But if I am right the age of the Church is about to come to an end and according to G-d's calendar, the focus will be next on the Jews. Here is hoping those Christians who support Israel will still be strong when that happens.
 
laska said:
No problem. But remember Mormons are the deluded not real Christians with the weird theology.
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Unfortunately the desire to view the world as "us vs them" extends even to religions that worship the same God.
 
Sherman123 said:
Hah, it's not 'flattering' but the full explanation isn't that bad either. Basically avodah zarah is strange/wrong/idol worship, but there's also this idea of ****uf which means that if gentiles think they are practicing monotheism it can be acceptable even if their practice, doctrine, or theology is wrong. The consensus we've developed about Trinitarian Christianity is that it generally falls under this category and not paganism/polytheism/avodah zarah even though it's troublesome and forbidden to Jews.

tl;dr it's acceptable as 'close enough' monotheism for non-Jews.
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Mormonism(LDS) is monotheistic.

"We worship God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ - not glorious angels or Abraham or Moses or John the Baptist, no matter how great they may be in the kingdom of heaven as sons of God who have become "like Christ" (1 Jn 3:2). The only reasonable definition of polytheism requires that plural gods be worshiped - but the beings that Christ calls "gods" are not who we worship at all. In terms of worship, we are properly called monotheists."-Jeff Lindsay, popular online LDS apologist.

"Non-LDS Christian Stephen H. Webb wrote:

"Two corrections of common misrepresentations of Smith’s theology need to be made at this point....[The] econd [is that] even though Smith says that believers will become gods, he also says that

they will be kings and priests to God, a phrase that qualifies his alleged polytheism. Clearly, the faithful are meant to share in the divine power and glory, and thus they too will have mastery over life and death, in the sense of being able to creatively participate in the creation, sustenance, and governance of life. Divine power seems to be the universal constant in this teaching, but it is not so diffuse that it has no source. God’s power will be shared, but it will still be God’s.
 
SheWolf said:
That actually sounds confusing to me.
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God is a spiritual being. In scripture he manifests himself into 3 separate but equal personalities.
1. Is God the Father.
2. Is God the Son. (Christ)
3. God the Holy Spirit.

All three make up the essence that is God. They are all One being.

Now there are other religions that believe that there are separate or that Jesus is not God but
This is counter to other scripture that says otherwise.

Some have even gone as far as to change scripture to demote Christ to something less than what he said he was.
 
MrPeanut said:
I have never heard a Christian say Jesus isn't God. I'm not sure what denomination that would be.
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JW, Arianism and a few others.
 
MrPeanut said:
That is really interesting to me. I had no idea that they believed that. I was under the assumption that one of the main reasons Christianity isn't Judaism is because of the belief in the trinity. It seems odd that a branch of Christianity could take that away and still be considered Christian.
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The biggest disconnect is that Christians believe that Jesus was the messiah.
Traditional Jews do not and still do it to this day.
 
laska said:
There are a lot of verses in the New Testament that describe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as one and much of "Christianity" misinterpret those verses to mean one person with some weird split personality type thing where they are 3 personalities in one person when the oneness is simply meant to be one in purpose and a unity of blessings. For example a board of directors of a company may have 15 directors but they form one board and they are one in wanting the best for the company. The oneness of the Godhead is meant in that kind of way This was clearly taught by Christ when He prayed to Heavenly Father for His 12 apostles and those that believe on their words:

John 17:
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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Sorry but Christianity is not polytheistic.
Yep Christ and God are one being.

This is pretty much defined throughout the Bible in multiple places.

While on earth Christ was the Son of Man and gave reference to God as such.
Even then he still revealed his true authority.
 
Josie said:
I didn't realize they thought Heavenly Father and God were separate.
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Yes Moromons believe that they are completely separate deities. I.e. Polytheistic.
Which is why it runs counter to the Bible.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Just think of it like this, an old bearded dude lives in the sky and he has a split personality. Jesus is one of the personalities.
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Modalism.
 
ludin said:
Sorry but Christianity is not polytheistic.
Yep Christ and God are one being.

This is pretty much defined throughout the Bible in multiple places.

While on earth Christ was the Son of Man and gave reference to God as such.
Even then he still revealed his true authority.
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"Father, why have Thee forsaken me?" Does not sound like they are one, Broh.
 
SheWolf said:
I think it gets confusing when trying to explain the Trinity. I don't understand how Christians think he is God and God's son. Saying that Jesus is God is actually less confusing to understand. I think hearing that made me realize that above all, Jesus is God to Christians.
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The idea that Jesus is God is central to Christianity. Technically, the idea that the Holy Spirit is God should be central to Christianity also, but in practice it only seems to be central to pentecostals.
 
SheWolf said:
I have seen similar threads to this one. I have seen threads asking if Christians believe Jesus is God, the son of God, or a prophet of God. I usually feel when I see those threads, there is not a clear answer on the question of Jesus being God according to the Christian faith.

Well the other day I was flipping through my channel listing and stopped on the 700 Club. A woman said, "I know Jesus is the one true God." Nobody else on the panel appeared bothered by her statement. She declared Jesus is God. That confirmed to me that Christians actually do believe that Jesus is God, and Jesus was God in the flesh on Earth.

If Christians say "Jesus is God," then that seems very clear to me. Am I wrong?
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Some Christians, the Trinitarians, do view Christ as God, or, more precisely, part of the triune God. Other Christians, the Unitarians, view Christ as God's son.

The interesting thing to note here is that each faction will accuse the other of not being truly Cristian and not conforming to the Bible. It makes for an entertaining spectacle.

There's no reason to believe either is right. There's a multitude of reasons to celebrate the fact both are probably wrong.
 
Josie said:
Some people don't consider them Christians.
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I can appreciate why, but, you will find people who are Protestant that don't consider Catholics Christian either.. and Catholics that don't think many protestants are Christian. I sometimes think that people get too hung up on labels.
 
calamity said:
"Father, why have Thee forsaken me?" Does not sound like they are one, Broh.
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Christ has a duelist nature.
He is both Son of God and Son of Man.
As the Son of Man he recognizes the Father in that regard.

Later in the book of revelation Christs takes up the title of the alpha and omega.
The same as God.
 
vesper said:
Did it ever occur to you just one minute that G-d Almighty wanted to bring salvation to the world? That He loved all mankind so much that his plan included a Savior for the Gentiles?

Look when I read my Bible, the Jew was chosen to set an example to the world to share what holiness meant and be a light to the world. But they were not exactly known for their missionary efforts to spread such things. In fact proselytes were treated like second class citizens.

By the time Solomon built the Temple his father David wanted to, there was a stipulation in the design by G-d to include a court of the Gentiles. In other words a house of worship for all people. But what happened?

Well Jews like everyone else who has ever lived on this earth, dropped the ball. Because of their own sins countered by adding a lot of manmade laws and rules to try and keep people from sinning. They ended up putting such a heavy burden on each individual that it was practically impossible to live within the manmade laws of their own and hardly an inviting invitation to outsiders to join them.

By the time Yeshua came on the scene the court of the Gentiles was being used to sell offerings for profit on designated days of the LORD. That pretty much tells the story doesn't it what the elite Jews in the Sanhedrin thought of Gentiles. Their designated place to worship ordered by the LORD had been turned into a business of for profit.

My friend, the LORD has two sheep pens. He provided to the rest of the world what his chosen people could not deliver.

Today we see the Church going the same way as the Jews during the era of Temples. They have made a great mistake in denying their Jewish roots in their beliefs to the point many no longer study the Old Covenant. Unfortunately for them there is no possible way to fully comprehend the New Covenent without full understanding of the Old which leads to a lot of false teachings.

But if I am right the age of the Church is about to come to an end and according to G-d's calendar, the focus will be next on the Jews. Here is hoping those Christians who support Israel will still be strong when that happens.
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A few quick points in response:

1. We don't believe in original sin or eternal damnation (save for the very few and its complicated) so we don't believe in a need for 'salvation'.

2. We don't believe Jesus was the Moshiach because we do not think he fulfilled the prophetic requirements.
 
Sherman123 said:
A few quick points in response:

1. We don't believe in original sin or eternal damnation (save for the very few and its complicated) so we don't believe in a need for 'salvation'.

2. We don't believe Jesus was the Moshiach because we do not think he fulfilled the prophetic requirements.
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Moses and God thought otherwise. If that is the case then there would be no need for the sacrificial system.
 
ludin said:
Moses and God thought otherwise. If that is the case then there would be no need for the sacrificial system.
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You man that wonderful sacrifical system through which, say, a life long paedophile gets saved provided he has a last minute death bed conversion and accepts Christ but a loving and caring human being who won't submit himself to the Christian ultimatum won't?

That one?

Such sacrificial system is immoral, indecent and intellectually fraudulent as well.
A great thing that it is also probably imaginary as well.
 
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