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"Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

Billionaires shouldn't exist -- do you agree?


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Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

How many people are barely making it... working for the billionaires? It is disgusting.

I grew up around rich... not billionaire rich but tens to hundreds of millions rich. Very few in my family did anything to actually deserve their wealth... instead, they screwed people over, were sexist racist assholes that looked down on immigrants and working people. Yes, that is my family and I know that there are many like them and that there are many that do good... but even they do not deserve that money. No rich people will get anything done without the guys making the building, filling the pot holes, making their lunches, being accountants, etc. What a rich person does does nothing to help a poor person put food on their table or have money to buy books for their kids or to have time to read to their kids... rich people are the most conceited people alive... so smug of their value when they are just clowns, for the most part... making way to much ****ing money.
Also I dated supermodels, but they all lived in Canada, so, you wouldn't know them.
 
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Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

He doesn't, barring leaning on say, primaries which determine your choices in the first place.

He gets to choose precisely no one in a primary or general election, except with his vote. Everything else is limited only to his ability to convince others.


His outsized power comes from an investment into the multi billion dollar lobbying industry and electoral industry via PACs and professional lobbyists to skew electoral and legislative outcomes in his favour, whether that be primaries, general elections, or the formation, composition and passage of bills. Corporations, industry groups and the mega rich at their helms aren't spending this kind of money out of a sense of civic duty; in fact, per corporate fiduciary duty, it cannot be for any other reason than an earnest attempt to maximize shareholder returns via the avenue of regulatory capture by installing politicos deemed most advantageous to their financial interests (other considerations be damned), ingratiating them and steering regulatory, tax and tender legislation.

If you want business out of politics, get politics out of business. If you don't want corporatism, don't set the conditions for it.

It clearly has a lot, and per Gilens and Page's scientific analysis of such, and a repugnant candidate like Bloomberg going from 0 to a front runner in 2 months while bending the rules of the DNC, this has been convincingly demonstrated. Excess private money interfacing with public office is toxic and corrosive to representative democracy.

Money is part of what you need for a modern campaign, but it's hardly the whole or even the dominant factor. Bloomberg, like it or not, also has a record and a message that resonates with a good fraction of the Democratic party. Steyer has the billions, but not the record or the resonance; witness his far-behind also-ran status (and Bernie is far and away the frontrunner, followed by Biden, followed by Buttegeig and Bloomberg. This terrifying billionaire is currently on par with a really bright 12 year old who served as town mayor).


Conspiracies about evil, wealthy, minorities secretly controlling government who therefore need to be gotten rid of don't generally end well. Highly Recommend hopping off this train.
 
Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

They are already a minority in this country. What would have changed is that now you would be stripping away some of their rights and using the coercive power of government to seize their property.



I find it doubtful that you are obtuse enough to think that my argument, especially when I was responding to your example of someone giving wealth away. The difference isn't between a millionaire and a billionaire, but between giving something by consent, and taking something with force.
Ah, okay so taxation that takes away millions is done through consent, like sex, but taxation that takes away billions is like rape.

Okaaaaaay.



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Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

He gets to choose precisely no one in a primary or general election, except with his vote. Everything else is limited only to his ability to convince others.

No, not directly, but hundreds of millions of dollars or more invested in a primary and general election certainly has a way of helping persuade others; if that weren't the case, we simply wouldn't be a massive multi-billion dollar electoral industry.

If you want business out of politics, get politics out of business. If you don't want corporatism, don't set the conditions for it.

Better yet, we overturn Buckley v Valeo, recognize that political spending isn't actually speech, and install insulations between private money and public office instead of trying to pursue some ridiculous anarchocapitalist/extreme libertarian pipe dream of a government without any powers of regulation, tender or taxation which would be required to meet your patently asinine requisite.

Money is part of what you need for a modern campaign, but it's hardly the whole or even the dominant factor. Bloomberg, like it or not, also has a record and a message that resonates with a good fraction of the Democratic party. Steyer has the billions, but not the record or the resonance; witness his far-behind also-ran status (and Bernie is far and away the frontrunner, followed by Biden, followed by Buttegeig and Bloomberg. This terrifying billionaire is currently on par with a really bright 12 year old who served as town mayor).

I don't know what polling aggregates you've been following, but Bloomberg is third right now pollwise (followed by Warren and Buttigieg). Sorry, you just don't come from 0 to a 14.7% aggregate in the polls in 2-3 months as someone like Bloomberg without dumping hundreds of millions of dollars as he has. While it's not everything, it certainly is something, and something crucially important at that, even if one can argue that the candidate and policy are ultimately more decisive.

Conspiracies about evil, wealthy, minorities secretly controlling government who therefore need to be gotten rid of don't generally end well. Highly Recommend hopping off this train.

It's not a conspiracy and it's not secret; lobbying and campaign finance industries operate in plain sight, and the effects of this legalized open corruption has been documented by research; yes the rich as a point of fact wield inordinately and disproportionately more influence, and do so via these mechanisms. Corporation invest millions of dollars in both because they understand there is a return of investment orders of magnitude greater, and because they believe it is an exercise of their fiduciary duty to shareholders. On the whole, I trust specialist Princeton professors who have studied the subject more than I trust you, frankly.
 
Those endlessly seeking wealth/power are feeding a Jones. And as with all chemical addictions tolerance develops and more of the stimulous in question is needed as that tolerance develops. So they never stop

This behavior has been the downfall of society after society.

And it's gonna get ours too.

THIS ^^^^
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Add in "team sport"/tribal mentality and it's a sure fire recipe for collapse, Nero Style.

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Have you considered that maybe businesses that require employees to literally starve to death, or die from being withheld medical care shouldn't deserve to be running at all?
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Do you ever consider that you are so invested in spouting Bernie's rhetorical bull**** that your words literally have no meaning whatsoever?
 
Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

The limit should be when you are able to self finance an election at the rate of 7 million a day. If you've got that much money to burn on a fools errand, you probably don't pay enough in taxes.

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I bet you would love to be the arbiter of how much in taxes billionaires should pay.
YOu and Bernie would get along just fine.
 
Money is money whether it is invested or not. Just because your money is being invested instead of being in a locked vault doesn't mean you aren't hoarding money. It is very unlikely their wealth will dissipate because enough money is in diversified investments, that they are virtually guaranteed to remain billionaires for life. With the average rate of increase of the stock market, these diversified investments will likely gain value much faster than they will ever spend it on themselves.

The most rational reason to have money is for happiness and well-being. I believe there is a principle of diminishing returns as you earn more money. When you go from $0 to $10,000, you can now afford food, drink, and some clothes and dramatically increases your quality of life. $10,000 to $20,000 now makes cheap shelter affordable, but the difference in happiness isn't as dramatic. But once you start earning over $100,000 per year, your basic healthcare and necessities all become affordable, and any further increase doesn't really impact your actual happiness that much in the long-term.

Many billionaires hoard their money even when their quality of life is virtually the same with 50 billion as with 100 million, because that money becomes a status symbol, a measure of achievement, and a goal to strive for. Some of them grew up poor, and have this insatiable desire for status and money, that they were previously deprived of. It would be healthier for billionaires to find other ways of feeling good about themselves, and give their employees a raise, lower prices for consumers, or give more to charity, since a lack of money is a big problem for most people.

Not having (your) keen insight into how billionaires handle their money, how do you conclude that investing your money is the same as hoarding? Is investing money wrong? If it is not invested in money making and legal ventures, then what should a rich person do with their money? Ask you for advice on how to give it away?
 
Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

I bet you would love to be the arbiter of how much in taxes billionaires should pay.
YOu and Bernie would get along just fine.
Yeah, you got me. I'm a Bernista.

Berninista. I don't know, what's the derogatory term for Bernie Bros?

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They have a right to exist but it is kind of sad they do when they could do so much more than they do now to help out others.

Of course, I have to admit though I am jealous. I'd love to have that kind of security that I could just lay on a beach, or a luxury yacht, and not have to worry about what would happen if I had a health emergency, how my kid is going to go to a good college, or any other real life situation billionaires don't even have to think about. I would like to think that I'm a better person and wouldn't have that much money because I'd be giving it away and paying my workers awesome wages with good benefits but who knows probably at some point those billionaires thought that too.

Are there any billionaires that you know NOT giving a portion of their wealth to good causes?
How would you know if a single billionaire WAS NOT into a little philanthropy?
 
You know what shouldn't exist? The barbaric practice and ritual of killing babies in or out of the womb 'cause FEELINGS.

In any case, if someone becomes a billionaire or just a millionaire, it's because they, typically, put out a great product or service that help people benefit (or stuff they simply enjoy). I'm beginning to believe more and more each day that Crazy Bernie's assertion of punishing rich people is his way of making them poorer while enriching himself. He was under criminal investigation for bank fraud. What's interesting, unless if I simply missed it, is we haven't heard about the results of that investigation. Also he well under-payed on his taxes a few years ago, and probably has for decades (and probably even today). Lastly, he HIMSELF is a millionaire. He made millions off his book he released about a year ago or so, his wife was a president of a college, was a mayor in Vermont, and he has been in Congress for decades. And it also makes me wonder if back in 2016 the Clintons paid him off and that's the reason why he owns 3 HOMES and lost in that election cycle.

This man is an opportunist, he can't relate to anyone on here, and, I believe, he's GREEDY. But his supporters don't have a problem with him being a millionaire like Dommberg's supporters don't have one with him being a billionaire. So unless if there is something that IS wrong, like someone breaking multiple laws and ruining people's lives, billionaires should be allowed to exist.

They will be relieved when they read that last line of your post.
 
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Dood...read how you phrased your comment to me and then try again.

You didnt give me **** about Bloomberg or Steyer. For what you offered I could say the same thing about you because I knew this guy once.......

You lost me, could you rephrase your love for the rich and elite again? :thumbs:
 
Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

It's not "someone" else's money. We are talking a specific number of people. 650 to be exact.

You seem mad that I don't care for parties when it comes to taxation. The only people concerned about billionaires not having more billions are cubicle dwellers who believe they'll see a million if they just work really hard. Nah, life is bigger than that.

Please stop white knighting for billionaires. Anyone in this forum could die from not being to pay medical bills and they wouldn't care. None of us should care if they have one billion dollar less and that goes towards paying for the medicines of millions.

Seems simple.



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LOL another garbage emotional post jealous over someone else's wallet. Don't attempt to make pettiness into a societal issue. It's a cheap trick.
 
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LOL another garbage emotional post jealous over someone else's wallet. Don't attempt to make pettiness into a societal issue. It's a cheap trick.
Is that what a lack of emotion in your response looks like Michael? I bet that's impressive in some circles; around here it isn't . You better get use to the feeling.

Anyways, onward we march, and the statement that billionaires don't need to exist is pretty valid. You don't get anymore benefits by crossing billion dollar line than you do by having 999 million. So, anyone in this thread who is a billionaire or even a billionaire will be fine.

Okay?


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Is that what a lack of emotion in your response looks like Michael? I bet that's impressive in some circles; around here it isn't . You better get use to the feeling.

No one on this forum is impressed by your garbage emotional posts. LOL

Anyways, onward we march, and the statement that billionaires don't need to exist is pretty valid. You don't get anymore benefits by crossing billion dollar line than you do by having 999 million. So, anyone in this thread who is a billionaire or even a billionaire will be fine.

Okay?

You have yet to come up with a valid, logical reason as to why you feel you're entitled to a billionaire's money.
 
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No one on this forum is impressed by your garbage emotional posts. LOL

You have yet to come up with a valid, logical reason as to why you feel you're entitled to a billionaire's money.

You don't sound very collected, Michael. I think you should take a moment to realize that taxation can happen and billionaires don't have to exist, with millionaires being plentiful. I assure you that people who left with only 999 million will still be fine.

Not sure why you insist of defending billionaires when they don't care enough to change laws so they pay more in taxes. If that's the case, then people can, through their elected representatives make it so. It's all very straightforward. No need to white knight for the oligarchs, my guy.

Lol, I don't get a billionaires money when they're taxed. Do you?

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Bold of you to assume everyone is entitled to an equal %.
Probably not, but we should probably make sure there is money to fund healthcare instead of watching billionaires buy elections or yet another maritime vessel, or another Trump condo.

The people who have only 999,999,999$ will be devastated, but no one ever said progress was easy. Best to keep the millions under the matress if you don't want the socialists coming for it too.

I keep my billions in paper bags. That's the way my father did it and his father before him. I am one of the 650 whose lives will be shattered by this event.

I will survive.






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Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

Probably not, but we should probably make sure there is money to fund healthcare instead of watching billionaires buy elections or yet another maritime vessel, or another Trump condo.

The people who have only 999,999,999$ will be devastated, but no one ever said progress was easy. Best to keep the millions under the matress if you don't want the socialists coming for it too.

I keep my billions in paper bags. That's the way my father did it and his father before him. I am one of the 650 whose lives will be shattered by this event.

I will survive.






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You're just not entitled to other people's money, not even for your healthcare.
 
Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

You're just not entitled to other people's money, not even for your healthcare.
No one is entitled to anything, but with the pen, and the admission that everything a president does in the best interest of the country must be legal, I am suddenly okay with massive taxes on billionaires to the point where they cease to exist, and only millionaires are left.

You know, as long as intentions are what matter.

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Have you considered that maybe businesses that require employees to literally starve to death, or die from being withheld medical care shouldn't deserve to be running at all?


Please name one.
 
Re: "Billinaires shouldn't exist." Do you agree with Bernie?

...everything a president does in the best interest of the country must be legal...

That's not a true statment.
 
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Well what people.need to realize is the last time our tax.code so favored the rich and the concentration of.wealth was so great was.just before the great depression in the roaring 20's.

That ended in disaster. This one already would have if they had not bailed out wall street. The same conditions remain. The crash is inevitable
 
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There is no theoretical upper limit to markets.

We should be solving simple poverty and let markets go as high as they want.
 
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