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Is Trump a Fascist?

Is Trump a Fascist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 31.1%

  • No

    Votes: 65 63.1%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 5 4.9%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Total voters
    103
Vadinho said:
He represents the last dying gasp of a white majority that never learned a thing from the 60s, voted for Grandpa in the 80s and were taught to hate everyone in the 90s and beyond. Trump wants to be a dictator, that is how he ran his companies. He is a small man with very small hands that gives that small but powerful minority of us a way to rage at the machine in a futile attempt to avoid the inevitable.
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Boy is that dumb. Not sure why some of you guys who know absolutely nothing, feel the need to come here and post such idiocy.
 
Vadinho said:
He represents the last dying gasp of a white
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White? What does that mean?
majority that never learned a thing from the 60s, voted for Grandpa in the 80s and were taught to hate everyone in the 90s and beyond. Trump wants to be a dictator, that is how he ran his companies. He is a small man with very small hands that gives that small but powerful minority of us a way to rage at the machine in a futile attempt to avoid the inevitable.
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Fletch said:
Boy is that dumb. Not sure why some of you guys who know absolutely nothing, feel the need to come here and post such idiocy.
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History is hard when it challenges your worldview. I've been around a while, what I said is true.
 
Samwise said:
Good thing that all he is charged with doing is executing the legislation enacted by congress.
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Really? So you think what he is doing is supported by the House? Do you guys learn how to think from Rush?
 
uptower said:
No. Fascism is a fairly distinct set of policy positions and ideology. He certainly shares some characteristics, but not the whole package.

He's an authoritarian and an old-fashioned bigot who panders to white nationalism but sees it as a vehicle to hard power, but has no actual ideology of his own.
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I'll alter my position slightly: Trump is not quite a fascist. He's a wannabe but as with most of his endeavors, he isn't willing to put in the work.

So he goes for a bit of half-baked pandering to the racists, the alt-right and white evangelicals, while trying to hoard as much power to his office as he can with a few friends in Justice, the Senate and Supreme Court.

The rest stands.
 
Vadinho said:
White people. Not too many other folks like the guy.
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White? I don't know anyone who's white. Most are pinkish or olive or mahogany colored. What are you talking about?
 
Samwise said:
White? I don't know anyone who's white. Most are pinkish or olive or mahogany colored. What are you talking about?
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I am trying to grasp the level of ignorance displayed by this post. Was it intentionally meant to be funny or a true representation of a strangers opinion of racial identities? There seems to be no bottom to the depravity we see among us as a nation. But hope prevails, you are being marginalized every day. One day you may wake up and see the world as it truly is, hope it happens soon for you.
 
Vadinho said:
I am trying to grasp the level of ignorance displayed by this post. Was it intentionally meant to be funny or a true representation of a strangers opinion of racial identities? There seems to be no bottom to the depravity we see among us as a nation. But hope prevails, you are being marginalized every day. One day you may wake up and see the world as it truly is, hope it happens soon for you.
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Racial identities? What even does that mean?
 
WOW, Trump really does live in your heads.
 
Phys251 said:
Already answered in Post #6. Feel free to read it. :)
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Indeed.

Trump is a 21st century uniquely American fascist for which there is no standard dictionary definition because it had never gained state power until Trump was inserted into the presidency in the 2016 election.

The central point is that American Fascism is unique in the world because of the American Exceptionalism we know so well and that we take pride in, such as the 19th century belief in Manifest Destiny that gained currency broadly and energetically.

The configuration of 21st century uniquely American fascism is being formed, shaped, organized and given content as we speak and it draws its meaning from the existing standard definitions of past fascisms that gained state power during the first half of the 20th century in Europe, in East Asia and elsewhere since.

Your post #6 provides some of the outlines of the organic and embryonic uniquely American fascism occurring presently. Similar to Trump hating Obama and working feverishly to dismantle everything OB did and stood for, so too Putin-Trump and Rowers are conducting themselves and directing their behaviors against Articles 1 and 3 of the Constitution as well as many of the Amendments to it, the post civil war amendments especially. That is, the 21st Century Uniquely American Fascism hates the Constitution and the rationality of the European Enlightenment that provided a significant basis of its creation.
 
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No, Donald Trump is not a fascist.

There are some extreme progressives, they who were angered so badly by his election, that like to say he IS, because he is getting in the way of their asinine ideas.

But that does not make him a fascist, any more than it makes me a space-man ; )
 
Do you people think Jim Acosta would still be alive if Trump was a Fascist?
 
mrjurrs said:
I like Merriam Webster's definition better-"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition". djt isn't a fascist yet, but he'd like to be.
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Trump is stylistically fascist:
- only he can solve the problem
- subset: I am the first, the only, etc.
- our enemies are illegals offered jobs by US business —of course not business itself
- our enemies are also black people, they are responsible for 80% of white homicides (not true, but he apparently found it worth to spread that)
- stable genius
- Obama’s presidency was illegitimate, my people can’t believe what they are finding in Hawaii
- cops should not be so gentle with suspects
- when you’re a celebrity, they let you get away with things like ***** grabbing
- wasn’t it great when demonstrators were hauled out on stretchers
- kill the families of terrorists, the sort of thing Nazis got hanged for
- torture worse than waterboarding
- he struts like Mussolini
- no doubt inadvertently, his appearance out of the fog to accept the nomination was right out of 1930s German expressionism.m
- pardon war criminals

But our institutions are strong. Our best weapon is laughter at the Foghorn Leghorn President.Still, our grandkids will ask “What were you thinking?”
 
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mrjurrs said:
I like Merriam Webster's definition better-"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition". djt isn't a fascist yet, but he'd like to be.
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Trump sure seems to do a lot of deregulation and has reduced the power and reach of the bureaucratic institutions that undermines the whole "dictatorial leader with sever economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition" thing.

However, Obama's admin did like to control such things and used tools to enact it so... :shrug:
 
Odysseus said:
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No. Every fascist movement which has seized governmental power immediately set about eliminating its domestic political opposition through any and all means within its power, both legal or illegal, until it controlled all the organs of the state and then moved to crush all opposing voices within the culture. There is no such Gleichschaltung here.

If Donald Trump was a fascist, an actual dyed-in-the-wool fascist, our political landscape would look more like Russia's than our current one, with murdered journalists and news correspondents left and right, and political opponents jailed under the flimsiest of pretexts. Anderson Cooper would be dead. Nancy Pelosi would be in Guantanamo Bay. And all the children in cages? They wouldn't be slated for deportation. Their cold lifeless bodies would be stacked like cordwood in ditches in the Arizona desert.

To call Donald Trump a fascist unironically is to insult the victims of actual fascist movement and to minimize fascism as a political force.
 
Of course not. Don't be silly.

For one thing, fascists control the media and have socialist roots. Trump does neither. The closest thing we have to fascism calls itself antifascist.
 
Odysseus said:
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Nah. This is just human nature asserting itself.
Sure he is obnoxious, but if he really was a fascist/dictator/tyrant, those who objected to him the loudest and survived the first purge, would also be the ones nervously applauding everything he did or vehemently denouncing his opponents as enemies of the people. And you can be sure the word "Fascist" would have disappeared from their vocabularies overnight. This is pretty much an established pattern throughout history. The vast majority aquiesce.

I recall reading about a Nazi official describing the people he helped arrest for crimes against the state, and how there was a pattern. The same astonishment when people were initially confronted. How realization slowly dawned on them that someone close had ratted them out for something they had mentioned in private. Their pitiful hopes for being freed if they could only tell someone that is was all a mistake. And how they were broken people before ever receiving their first beating. It matched pretty well with what Solzhenitsyn describes in the Gulag Archipelago.

Certainly provided contrast for young me after having encountered tons of people who thought they were some kind of freedom fighters because they competed to denounce the loudest, without any risk whatsoever to themselves or their families. Empty barrels and all that, I suppose.
 
Odysseus said:
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Like many of the other claims I've seen thrown against the man. There is no proof to the stance, such as Trump being fascist.

I've seen people claim more than a few times that he echoes fascism. But that is something that lacks proof as well.
 
Phys251 said:
Which we have.



Which Trump wants.



That's exactly what MAGA is.



Trump has a remarkable tendency for vengeance against his political opponents.



Trump is a fascist by any reasonable definition. :)
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So you're completely fine with just lying directly to people?

Tell me, where does MAGA mention race?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I think he and his supporters want fascism but are only getting through some of it. They're chipping and chipping away at our government, laws and precedents to get the rest of it. Trump has outright attacked the other two branches that are meant to be checking him every chance he gets.
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None of which is proof of fascism. Maybe paranoia on your part, but not fascism.
 
americanwoman said:
He wishes!

We can only be glad Trump lacks the charisma, personaltiy, and has an elementary level vocabulary or else we'd really be in deep ****.
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Funny part being, is that most of the right most likely says the same thing about your camp.
 
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