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Are you proud of your race?

Are you proud of your race?

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What a strange question. Was the idea perhaps to get a certain type of poster to out themselves?
 
calamity said:
The ignorance of wildlife the whites arriving in the Americas exhibited was driven, IMO, by their sky daddy religion. The natives at least worshiped nature. Big difference.
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Really? That's your understanding of Native religious beliefs is it?
Well that explains allot.
 
Hari Seldon said:
You completely bypassed the question by claiming all the rich Jews paid their way out. Impressive. How much was the fee? Apparently it's okay to torture and kill 6 million if they are poor or I'll or elderly.

Never a disappointment when race is discussed in your posts. You even manage to imply it's the Jews fault. It good that everyone sees your posts.

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You were the one who brought up the subject Hari. Then you act like I'm in the wrong for stating what happened. You're also wildly misconstruing what I said. So there's no point in arguing with strawmen.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Taking pride in concepts like race and ethnicity only make sense when we're talking about the accomplishments of the whole group relative to the challenges they faced. Otherwise for every "good" act by one's race, there's something bad as well.
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Which sounds to me like your endorsing Marx' view that history should be viewed only in terms of oppressors and the oppressed. Marx rejected the assertions of his one time friend Moses Hess, who believed that history should be viewed specifically from racial oppression, or nationality oppression. Its my opinion, what's taught in schools today more closely resembles Hess' believes over Marx, even if Hess is the lesser known figure of the two.
 
truthatallcost said:
Which sounds to me like your endorsing Marx' view that history should be viewed only in terms of oppressors and the oppressed. Marx rejected the assertions of his one time friend Moses Hess, who believed that history should be viewed specifically from racial oppression, or nationality oppression. Its my opinion that what's taught in schools today more closely resembles Hess' believes over Marx, even if Hess is the lesser known figure of the two.
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Marxist histography is an interesting concept but it's too one size fits all.
 
Buzz62 said:
Isn't that a little harsh?
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Maybe. It's still true.

Africans and Indians have made contributions to the overall achievements of the Human Race.
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Such as?

Every earthly race has. I simply cannot bring myself to hold any race above any other. I can discuss shortcomings of them...even mine...but to hold one above the other? Nope...that begins to border of real racism.
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It doesn't matter if something is "racist". What matters is the truth.

OlNate said:
Ok, so, let's say your highly selective view point, ignoring everything prior to 1500 years ago, was correct...do you also factor in that white people have wrought exponentially more destruction on this world than anyone else? That perhaps all our accomplishments were bought with that track record of atrocities? How proud should we be?
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The Mongol invasions killed a greater percentage of the world population than any other war in human history. It's true that white people have committed greater atrocities than most other peoples, but there's nothing to indicate that that isn't solely the result of opportunity.
 
AmNat said:
The Mongol invasions killed a greater percentage of the world population than any other war in human history. It's true that white people have committed greater atrocities than most other peoples, but there's nothing to indicate that that isn't solely the result of opportunity.
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You can say the same of advancement and Aryan civilization.
 
concernedpuma said:
Yes, when speaking of a group to which I belong. Isn't that the essence of your message; group pride, as assigned by you? Though, following your reasoning, I could only be proud if I am black, Gay, or a woman.
Regards,
CP
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Pride in one's heritage is almost universal in human nature. Not having pride in one's heritage is a sign of ethnomasochism!
 
AmNat said:
Maybe. It's still true.
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Is it?

AmNat said:
Such as?
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Well for starters...Africa is the original seed of the human race. That means the black "race" is the oldest and most enduing. So ya...there's that.
As for the Indians...ever heard of Mother Teresa? How about curried goat? Man I love curried goat!

AmNat said:
It doesn't matter if something is "racist". What matters is the truth.
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Ah but it does matter. It matters allot in fact. Cold hard truth and facts are one thing. Expressing them in a racist manner is completely different.
Pride in one's own people is a good thing. Conceit and arrogance are not...really.

AmNat said:
The Mongol invasions killed a greater percentage of the world population than any other war in human history. It's true that white people have committed greater atrocities than most other peoples, but there's nothing to indicate that that isn't solely the result of opportunity.
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Nate? Ur up.
 
americanwoman said:
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Really? If I said that I was proud of my race everyone who’s a white liberal would probably attack me because I’m a white conservative male.
 
Much as reducing the population of Native Americans produced a magical bounty, reducing 13% of the population to 0% of the wealth produced a magical bounty. And no one, of course, pays for magical bounties; they just happen.
 
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truthatallcost said:
You were the one who brought up the subject Hari. Then you act like I'm in the wrong for stating what happened. You're also wildly misconstruing what I said. So there's no point in arguing with strawmen.
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Again you ignore the questions with more deflection. I didn't misconstrue anything and will be more than happy to have the readers decide. It is very important people understand that intelligence and bigotry are not mutually exclusive.

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Hari Seldon said:
Who takes credit for the holocaust? Or wiping out Native Americans (most of them along with the Bison).
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Since I gave you my answer, give me yours if you'd be so kind.

Who takes credit for the holocaust? Or wiping out Native Americans (most of them along with the Bison).

Were your questions supposed to infer that white people are guilty of these things?
 
Hari Seldon said:
Again you ignore the questions with more deflection. I didn't misconstrue anything and will be more than happy to have the readers decide. It is very important people understand that intelligence and bigotry are not mutually exclusive.

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Then you're saying that Germany, or perhaps white people in general haven't paid enough of a price for the holocaust?
 
X Factor said:
I think I’ve done this question before but it’s come up again and the whole idea of taking pride in your race seems odd to me, like being proud you’re right handed or that you have two feet. Am I missing something (I mean about this in particular, so pipe down potential wise asses :2razz:). Attaching poll.
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Not missing a thing. Matter of fact it's spot on.

Folks like yourself are usually dog whistling about Black Pride. Hint, black pride never started because some black people decided they were proud of their race. It started because of white folks trying to make black people feel inferior to being black so they worked and proved they were equals not inferior. THAT is why they are proud of their race. Learn something before you start such a stupid closet racist thread.
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Race card B0t. liberal/Demo comment isn't necessary. All of us do not make black people inferior. Not sure who posted this but better luck next time.
 
Buzz62 said:
Really? That's your understanding of Native religious beliefs is it?
Well that explains allot.
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:roll:

These two Native American creation stories are among thousands of accounts for the origins of the world. The Salinian and Cherokee, from what we now call California and the American southeast respectively, both exhibit the common Native American tendency to locate spiritual power in the natural world.
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Suggestion: Think and do some research before challenging me.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I agree that the US slaughtered the Native Americans, and have argued it was genocidal in nature.

The link I provided shows the timeline for both Native Americans and the decline along with the decline of the Buffalo
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The only Indian tribes that could possibly defend themselves from the encroaching whites were the civilized tribes mainly the Creeks
who by the way did not rely on the buffalo for existence at all. A majority of the Creek leaders were intermarried with white and
adopted many of the white mens ways. Alexander McGillivray, William Weatherford & William MacIntosh all had wealth compared to
the richest white men in the Alabama Georgia North Florida areas.

McGillivray's status among the Creeks, who did not customarily have a single leader, was controversial and sometimes resented.
His chief asset to insure he was seen as a leader was his ability to hand out gifts to the Creeks from both Britain and Spain.
He was the most "Anglicized" of Creeks, and built solid houses, planted orchards, and ran a plantation (and owned about 60 slaves)
Theodore Roosevelt deemed McGillivray “perhaps the most gifted man who was ever born on the soil of Alabama.”

William Weatherford, (Lum-Chate the Red Eagle) son of a Creek princess and a Scots trader who amassed
a fortune in land & money. Weatherford renounced his fathers wealth to seek his future with his mother's
people, and as Creek warchief lead them to astonishing victories against the government of the United States;

Will Weatherford a recent leader of the Florida house had politics in his blood since childhood. His grandmother, Carolyn Warner, ran for governor in Arizona where she is a longtime Democratic activist and one-time the state’s superintendent of schools. Her father, Weatherford’s great grandfather, was a state senator in Oklahoma.
The former Florida speaker can actually trace his ancestry back to William Weatherford, known as Chief Red Eagle in the Creek Indian tribe.

The plains Indians of 50 years later & their staple for even living the buffaloes stood no chance at all
against the US armies & the new settlers.
 
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So... if I've got the thread correct, it's pointless to be proud of race, worthwhile to be proud of homosexuality, good or possibly bad to be proud of nationality, morally obligatory to be proud of one's military service, offensive to be proud of one's religion, bad or possibly good to be proud of one's wealth and social status, either empowered or chauvinistic to be proud of one's gender, and if any two of us could agree on what people should and shouldn't be proud about, the universe would instantly implode into a singularity as the laws of physical reality ceased to exist.
 
COTO said:
So... if I've got the thread correct, it's pointless to be proud of race, worthwhile to be proud of homosexuality, good or possibly bad to be proud of nationality, morally obligatory to be proud of one's military service, offensive to be proud of one's religion, bad or possibly good to be proud of one's wealth and social status, either empowered or chauvinistic to be proud of one's gender, and if any two of us could agree on what people should and shouldn't be proud about, the universe would instantly implode into a singularity as the laws of physical reality ceased to exist.
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That's the lefts manifesto!
 
truthatallcost said:
You were the one who brought up the subject Hari. Then you act like I'm in the wrong for stating what happened.
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since, once you embark on your favorite rant, you never state what happened, being wrong is your default position.
You're also wildly misconstruing what I said.
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You were looking in the mirror when typing that, right?
 
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truthatallcost said:
Then you're saying that Germany, or perhaps white people in general haven't paid enough of a price for the holocaust?
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Priceless, accusing others of mis-construing to then show own mastery at the very same thing.

Well okay, mastery is perhaps too big a word.
 
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