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Pence leaving game "oppression"?

Pence leaving game "oppression"?

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Tanngrisnir said:
I merely asked because the contention that his act could be interpreted as oppression is so profoundly stupid I didn't think any rational adult could actually make it.
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You're discounting several groups I can think of which could and likely will interpret his act in such a manner, and that includes both some on the left and the right. Profoundly stupid? Yes, but some groups surely are.
 
Sabre said:
Not really an area one has a leg to stand on considering the personal usages and expenses racked up by the previous occupants of the WH, by them and their families and friends.
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Oh, do tell! Let's see the comparison!

I'm a fan of providing the expenses for keeping the First Family in NYC, and all the security and travel expenses and 'security/infrastructure upgrades' to Taco Del Mar in FL.

(Yes, I know the real name.)
 
humbolt said:
You're discounting several groups I can think of which could and likely will interpret his act in such a manner, and that includes both some on the left and the right. Profoundly stupid? Yes, but some groups surely are.
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Indeed. You've described Pence supporters perfectly.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Indeed. You've described Pence supporters perfectly.
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I had Black Holes Matter in mind along with some others, including those who'd love to have them some oppression, but whatever makes you happy is fine with me.
 
humbolt said:
It's pretty clear in the thread title. Is the physical act of Pence's departure a symbolic act of attempted oppression?
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A better question would be. Is the VP exercising his right to disagree with the protesters?
 
humbolt said:
I had Black Holes Matter in mind along with some others, including those who'd love to have them some oppression, but whatever makes you happy is fine with me.
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Huh. Never heard of such a group.

Anyhow, thanks for describing Pence supporters so perfectly.
 
Old Sarge said:
A better question would be. Is the VP exercising his right to disagree with the protesters?
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I agree, but realize that we're probably rapidly descending into another "Pence is an idiot" thread. Haven't looked to verify, and probably won't. It has become the norm. I'd be shocked to see any departure from that.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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It wasn't oppression, but it was a silly and expensive stunt.
 
I voted no but by definition that player could feel that way and there's nothing I could say to make his opinion wrong. I personally don't think this fits to that level, the main reason I don't feel that way is because I wouldn't care what Pence does in this regard, maybe he does.
 
Am I the only one who sees the irony of a planned political protest being staged to protest another planned political protest is being criticized by a player who is part of the planned political protest?

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Lursa said:
Oh great. Not only was it a dick move on the part of the president, using the VP like that, it was an expensive one:

The price tag for Pence's trip to Indianapolis - CNNPolitics
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According to the Air Force, flying a C-32, the model of plane used for Air Force 2, for one hour costs about $30,000. Pence's flight from Las Vegas to Indianapolis Saturday took about three hours and 20 minutes, so it cost about $100,000

Pence then flew from Indianapolis to Los Angeles on Sunday, which took about four hours and 45 minutes, costing about $142,500.

The grand total: about $242,500.
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I wonder how many miles of downed power lines in Puerto Rico this political stunt could have paid for.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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I find it hypocritical of Reid to say that Pence did a publicity stunt in order to get attention when the players kneeling for the national anthem are doing a publicity stunt in order to get attention.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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Yes. Pence is being oppressed by Trump!
 
Moderate Right said:
I find it hypocritical of Reid to say that Pence did a publicity stunt in order to get attention when the players kneeling for the national anthem are doing a publicity stunt in order to get attention.
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Well...they are football players and he's the Vice President of the United States. I know the idea of what constitutes entertainment and the executive offices of the US are pretty much the same thing for conservatives. Some of use still hold each to a different standard.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem.
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Yes, it absolutely does. We've seen that apparently can lose a million dollar job as a result of it, and struggle to get rehired. Jerry Jones has threatened to fire any of his players that do it.

X Factor said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest.
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The key here is that this was an obvious political stunt that was paid for by tax dollars. He knew damn well these players were going to kneel when he showed up for the game. If he didn't like it he shouldn't have shown up in the first place. The Trump administration is attempting to silence these players and prevent them from protesting, and it's using the unpopularity of their protests as a means to sustain their own political power.

It comes down to another thread I started recently. At what point does the administration trying to bully protestors cross the line into violating their freedom of speech. This administration is taking action designed to silence decent. They may not be passing laws against the players protests, but Trump is trying to use the power of the office of the presidency to hurt these players that are protesting against him.
 
X Factor said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ional-anthem-protest-walkout-colts/744748001/

IMO this is just another example that we don't know what oppression is in the US. It takes no courage or heroism in the US to kneel during the anthem. Nobody's going to be disappearing under mysterious circumstances because of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm really not happy this got re-ignited again and Pence's actions definitely did that but, at the same time, nobody is obligated to support or respect the players protest. As long as those who disagree with the protest are peaceful in their actions then they have the same rights to their own form of speech.

Ok, enough rant, attaching poll.
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No, its not "oppression". However, its a very expensive political stunt on the taxpayer's dime which ought to concern you far more than this culture war bull****.
 
Moderate Right said:
I find it hypocritical of Reid to say that Pence did a publicity stunt in order to get attention when the players kneeling for the national anthem are doing a publicity stunt in order to get attention.
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Reid is supposed to be there as part of his job. Pence wasted tax payer money and stadium resources to go to a place he had no intention of staying, just so he could get his name in the news and rile up the base.

I'm sure you can see the difference.
 
Moderate Right said:
I find it hypocritical of Reid to say that Pence did a publicity stunt in order to get attention when the players kneeling for the national anthem are doing a publicity stunt in order to get attention.
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The difference is that the players are staging a protest.

Pence's little act was a request from the prez...completely manufactured.(From Trump's own tweet) There was no outrage on Pence's part, he went knowing he'd leave. There was no surprise for him to react to.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Reid is supposed to be there as part of his job. Pence wasted tax payer money and stadium resources to go to a place he had no intention of staying, just so he could get his name in the news and rile up the base.

I'm sure you can see the difference.
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Moreover, Pence, because he has not one shred of dignity left, then had to go along with it when Trump says he told him to do it. Pathetic.
 
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