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Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house?

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American said:
All that time, and they never knew what was in it.
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Why is your GOP house ramming the REPEAL without knowing the cost, the CBO being the holy grail of the GOP ?
 
NIMBY said:
Why is your GOP house ramming the REPEAL without knowing the cost, the CBO being the holy grail of the GOP ?
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They did the same thing to get the Bush tax cuts approved. Head of the CBO testified that he turned in the cost for the tax cuts, then got a call from a leading Republican to turn in different numbers that were more favorable. So he did.

Those tax cuts cost the country 1/3rd of its revenue, and added $1 Trillion Dollars to the national deficit. They left the mess for Obama.

Expect the same thing with this. They will pass something and move on. FOLLOW THE BIG MONEY. The real goal is to get this passed so they can move on to their main goal: PASSING BIG TAX CUTS FOR CORPORATIONS AND THE VERY WEALTHY. They had to get health care out of the way in order to proceed with the tax cuts. They are using the health care cuts as part of the cost of the big tax cuts for the wealthy. It's transferring government money from citizens to the very wealthy.

They will tell you that this will help the economy. They always say that. It is never true. I'm astonished that people still fall for that. Giving money to a rich guy helps the rich guy. If that's what you want to do, do it. But then admit it. The rich guy invests his tax savings. He doesn't contribute it to the economy. It doesn't expand his business.

It helps the bottom line of businesses, so the stock price will go up, which should benefit shareholders. Until the recession hits.
 
Chomsky said:
I predict the house will pass something. Who knows what it will be, but they'll pass something, call it a 'repeal & replace', declare ObamaCare 'dead', celebrate with great fanfare for a job well done, and then quietly avoid it thereafter.
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and the GOP voting lemmings will be convinced that "TrumpCare" is vastly different than "ObamaCare", despite there only being a few tweaks.
 
rocket88 said:
TrumpCare will easily pass.
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Not easily but it will pass. With some revisions to get the republicans who are balking and some democrats who are up for reelection, I think its possible...no... likely.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Do we get to see it before it is voted on? I have been busy lately so I have not even looked into it yet. It would be nice for We the People to know what we are getting before it becomes law. This would be a nice change from the last health care plan that got shoved down our throats before we even knew what we were getting. Hopefully this plan will not fine, tax, or punish people who cannot afford insurance.
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It certainly punishes them. If you have more than a 60 day gap in coverage, it requires an insurer to put a 30% surcharge on your health insurance for the first year. For someone that is young, its bad but not always catastrophic I guess as their premiums average 2500 dollars a year for a 25 year old, thus its an extra 750 dollars a year on top of that. However, if someone is age 59 and has to pay that 30% surcharge for a year due to lack of coverage for more than 60 days, then your taking an average premium of 11,500 a year and cranking it up the first year to around 15k.
 
Puigb said:
and the GOP voting lemmings will be convinced that "TrumpCare" is vastly different than "ObamaCare", despite there only being a few tweaks.
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And why would anyone be against that? Even democrats admit that the ACA needs tweaked. But beware... the 'lemming' democrats will be against it because republican and Trump is for it and no other reason.
 
antiquity said:
And why would anyone be against that? Even democrats admit that the ACA needs tweaked. But beware... the 'lemming' democrats will be against it because republican and Trump is for it and no other reason.
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Considering that Trump ran on repealing and replacing ObamaCare...one would think Trump and the GOP could come up with something better than ObamaCare lite, which apparently seems to be even worse than the original version.
 
Puigb said:
Considering that Trump ran on repealing and replacing ObamaCare...one would think Trump and the GOP could come up with something better than ObamaCare lite, which apparently seems to be even worse than the original version.
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You are right...Seems cutting the health care bill down from 3000+ pages to about 150 is an uncomplicated lite version. Maybe congress can read it before they pass it this time around.
 
Puigb said:
and the GOP voting lemmings will be convinced that "TrumpCare" is vastly different than "ObamaCare", despite there only being a few tweaks.
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[...] making it worse!
 
Chomsky said:
[...] making it worse!
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I have yet to sit down and read it. Plus it is most likely written in lawyer language which will make an hour read into a week long venture if I can even figure out what they are saying. If you already read and deciphered it could you tell me what is worse about it in layman terms. I will read it eventually just little to busy right now. Thanks.

So far I hear there will be penalties for lapse of coverage. Once again lets punish the people who cannot afford health care instead of helping them pay for it. I can only hope that will get fixed before it is passed.
 
JANFU said:
I realize a lot of bucks are being spent in certain R districts on this. It will be close, 1 way or the other, but you are correct, it will not pass the Senate.
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In it's present form, I hope it does not. It still looks too much like Obamacare.
 
JumpinJack said:
And I'll be depressed. Although I'll be depressed for different reasons than you will be pissed, I expect.

The main thing I'm upset about....I don't see anything to indicate that premiums are going to go down. Just the opposite for my age range. And that is what health care reform was supposed to be about to begin with: the cost.

Insurance companies were involved in writing this bill, it seems, just like they wrote large portions of Obamacare. No surprise there's a big tax cut in it for ins. co. executives.

This whole thing stinks like rotten eggs.
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The problem is, even though it tosses out that patently stupid mandate that forces everyone to buy health insurance, it is still a one size fits all bill. Rates will never stop going up unless we let the insured shop for themselves rather then be told by the Washington DC swamp what they can buy.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
It certainly punishes them. If you have more than a 60 day gap in coverage, it requires an insurer to put a 30% surcharge on your health insurance for the first year. For someone that is young, its bad but not always catastrophic I guess as their premiums average 2500 dollars a year for a 25 year old, thus its an extra 750 dollars a year on top of that. However, if someone is age 59 and has to pay that 30% surcharge for a year due to lack of coverage for more than 60 days, then your taking an average premium of 11,500 a year and cranking it up the first year to around 15k.
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That is a poison pill that kind of makes it mandate-lite.
 
Puigb said:
Considering that Trump ran on repealing and replacing ObamaCare...one would think Trump and the GOP could come up with something better than ObamaCare lite, which apparently seems to be even worse than the original version.
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it is an improvement on Obamacare, however it is still Obamacare-lite.
 
antiquity said:
How could it be any worst?
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It's better then Obamacare, however would have the same eventual fate as Obamacare, because it keeps the same stupid one size fits all approach.
 
Not in its current incarnation. Too many republicans are against it.
 
I believe the current Health Care plan put further by the House Republicans will not be the final form that will be eventually be voted on. Even the democrats can introduce amendments to improve it. I am sure disenfranchised republican will.
Blasting the bill before it is even in its final form is rather stupid and counterproductive.
 
antiquity said:
I believe the current Health Care plan put further by the House Republicans will not be the final form that will be eventually be voted on. Even the democrats can introduce amendments to improve it. I am sure disenfranchised republican will.
Blasting the bill before it is even in its final form is rather stupid and counterproductive.
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It does have a couple things to blast. For one, tossing in a 30% penalty after 62 days of non-insurance is just a milder mandate then obamacare, especially considering that the bill in it's present form does nothing to lower the cost of healthcare. If we do not blast it now, the ending bill that is voted on will look just as it does now.
 
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