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Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 51.7%

  • No

    Votes: 17 29.3%

  • Unsure/Don't Know

    Votes: 10 17.2%

  • I was told there would be cake?

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Total voters
    58
Paperview said:
It's true cult behavior.
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I swear, many of these Trump supporters are on the same level as the squirrel-hunting Scientologists.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The Russia scandal has had a slow drip of evidence over months, alongside reports from over a dozen intelligence agencies. Multiple people from the Trump campaign have had to resign or recuse themselves for contacts with Russia. It's absolutely not proven yet, but to claim it's the same as Trump pulling a conspiracy theory out of his ass with exactly zero evidence of any kind, even circumstantial, is silly. An equivalent situation would be if the only source of the Trump-Russia connection was Barack Obama's twitter account.
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How the **** is it a "conspiracy theory" if the Democrat accusations are based on information gleaned from wire taps?

We KNOW that a server at Trump Tower was hacked by "white hats" affiliated with, I quote, "..a small, tightly knit community of computer scientists who pursue such work—some at cybersecurity firms, some in academia, some with close ties to three-letter federal agencies..". That news was reported by Slate - Was a server registered to the Trump Organization communicating with Russia’s Alfa Bank?

That news was followed closely by the acknowledgement that 17 federal intelligence agencies all said the Russians hacked the elections. Coincidence? No way in hell. The question isn't whether intel agencies tried to tie Trump and Russia together, they did. The question is who ordered the surveillance.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It was an obvious lie from a habitual liar who is known for his conspiracy theories. Trump has a long history of defaming Obama to rile up his base. This is a distraction because he knows his supporters are so poorly educated that they'll accept anything he tweets, no questions asked, no evidence required. This is what happens when you let a country's education system crumble into disrepair. SAD.
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First, Democrats and the Media have been refering to the existence of phone transcripts between Trump associates and Russian agents for some time now. If the Obama DOJ didnt petition the FISA court for a wiretap warrant, where did these transcripts come from ?

Second, the Obama administration has a history of doing low life **** just like this.
Like when Holder charged Journalist James Rosen as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage act so they could hack into his Emails and phone records and the phone records of his parents, so I wouldnt put wiretapping Trumps tower beneath him or his agencies
I also dont remember the Left getting as worked up about that as they are about Trumps tweet

Obama's and his cronies response to the tweet was predictable.
Obama wouldnt on his own petition FISA, Loretta Lynch would have and she would have signed off on the request

Finally, the following NYTs article mentions that in a attempt to preserve evidence, Obama and a few of his top aides removed sensitive ( the most sensitive ) intellience data collected during their investigation.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html

So these civilians are holding onto and concealing intelligence most likely gained through a FISA warrant and are not sharing it with intelligence agencies.

First, thats illegal, second theyve rendered that intelligence data inadmissible by breaking the legal chain of custody so you have to ask yourself why would they do such a thing ?
 
DA60 said:
The question was not would Obama sue Trump - the question was do Trump's actions constitute libel?

And if you are saying that people should not care if the sitting POTUS legally commits libel against a former POTUS - than I would say that is an extremely odd position to take.
If you are going to just blow it off if Trump commits libel against a former POTUS, than I assume you will blow it off if he starts making defamatory comments about ordinary citizens as well.

You are one sad Trumpbot is that is your position, imo.

Thinking it is not libel is one thing...I can understand that. But not even caring if the current President (no matter who they are) is committing libel or not is pretty ridiculous to me.

Clearly, you are too far down the Trumpbot in Wonderland rabbit hole to be taken seriously on these matters any longer.

So noted.


We are done here.

Good day.


Once again, I have zero political loyalty to any political party or movement.
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You have zero proof to


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NIMBY said:
Yes, trump's lies with zero evidence are a crock of **** .
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No, I'm sorry NIMBY, Trump did precisely what was needed and it was a masterful stroke.
 
Cardinal said:
There is a .0000000000000000001% chance that Trump has a legitimate source for his claim. However, seeing as the White House has gone into shut-down mode and let Fox and Friends fight it out for him, even that percentage is extremely generous. But so long as even that .0000000000000000001% exists, then "appears to" is the reasonably honest way to phrase it.

But since you don't like that kind of talk and prefer Wrestlemania-absolutes instead, I will communicate in your language just for you: yes, it is wholesale libel. Happy?
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Is the NYT a source?
Trump people caught on wiretaps? Flynn? Remember him?
Does it count if the wiretaps were gotten for Russians and by stroke of incredible and totally unexpected luck they caught conversations with Trump's associates that were then leaked?
What's great is that you could still say the Trump and the gang weren't wiretapped while illegally disclosing what was said.
Who's looking into those illegal disclosures, btw?
I'm assuming the disclosures were illegal unless President Obama declassified them all for the sake of National Security.

In case you haven't noticed ...
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Geoist said:
New York Post... why don't you just link an article from The National Enquirer or Globe? All of those tabloids support Trump anyways (go figure).
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html
WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.
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Here's another quote from the same story

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.[/QUOTE]

The story cites a "continuing investigation" and is dated January 19th, a day BEFORE Trump officially took office. That shows sure as **** that Trump was under investigation and that the Obama White House, not just DoJ, was in on it.

If nothing else it gives Trump's claim a whole hell of a lot of credibility.
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ChezC3 said:
No, I'm sorry NIMBY, Trump did precisely what was needed and it was a masterful stroke.
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Yes, ChezC3, trump sure calmed the troubled waters of his swamp by having a professional statesmanlike weekend actually learning about his ****ing job .
 
DA60 said:
Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

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Yes, technically it's libel. Will a case be launched?

No.

What everyone needs to think about is all the "horrible, horrible", and "terrible, terrible" horrors that camp out of Trump's mouth in the election and primary, how come he's never mentioned this before?

Could it be that his dick is caught in a Russian ringer, so of course he points at something else. This is not a man with a backbone, this is a coward who will ie, cheat, steel all in the name of his enormous ego.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html


Here's another quote from the same story

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.[/QUOTE]

The story cites a "continuing investigation" and is dated January 19th, a day BEFORE Trump officially took office. That shows sure as **** that Trump was under investigation and that the Obama White House, not just DoJ, was in on it.

If nothing else it gives Trump's claim a whole hell of a lot of credibility.
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The NYT article refers to an investigation of a few Trump advisors, including Manafort. Everyone and their mother knew about Manafort being investigated. But thank you for providing a source that isn't a tabloid.
 
akyron said:
Is it libel if its true?

Unlikely but we will all find out later. much later probably.
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Wht the **** would you ask a stupid, empty, irrational question like that?

True?

What IS TRUE in the Trump era?

If you want to waste brain cells actually thinking that Trump did NOT make this up, feel free. But stop making an ass out of yourself by even wondering if ANYTHING that **** off misfit says is true
 
akyron said:
Shep is too opinionated to work in journalism like many.
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Journalists don't have opinions?

Shepard Smith, more than a few times, has broken away from his colleagues if he knew it meant defending the truth. He isn't just another hyper-partisan talking-points-spewing head.
 
I don't know if it's libel, but it sure as hell was inappropriate and ignorant, especially without a shred of evidence to back it up.
 
bubbabgone said:
Is the NYT a source?
Trump people caught on wiretaps? Flynn? Remember him?
Does it count if the wiretaps were gotten for Russians and by stroke of incredible and totally unexpected luck they caught conversations with Trump's associates that were then leaked?
What's great is that you could still say the Trump and the gang weren't wiretapped while illegally disclosing what was said.
Who's looking into those illegal disclosures, btw?
I'm assuming the disclosures were illegal unless President Obama declassified them all for the sake of National Security.

In case you haven't noticed ...
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Trump claimed that, as a fact, Obama ordered wiretaps on him. Is there evidence for this?

Just so you know, if you answer in the affirmative, the White House, including Levin, will disagree with you.
 
Pres Obama was snapped worrying about the accusation on Sunday last.

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Henrin said:
And look, more baseless claims. He has never been diagnosed with any mental illness
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Like he would ever allow himself to see a shrink and be diagnosed. :lol:

You don't need to have a doctorate in psychology to see he has narcissistic personality disorder. It's as obvious as declaring a man has a compound fracture after seeing his tibula poking out of his leg.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Wht the **** would you ask a stupid, empty, irrational question like that?

True?

What IS TRUE in the Trump era?
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He said he was going to win the presidency. He did. true enough? The media lied to the country for 18 months saying Hillary had a 95% chance of winning. True enough?




I too would be upset.


I find it odd after the many shady actions taken by the previous admistration that one would express outrage at the question of one more.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/222704929/Ted-Cruz-Legal-Limit-Report-4

1. “Obama implemented portions of the DREAM Act by executive action”

2. “Ended some terror asylum restrictions”

3. “Recognized same sex marriage in Utah despite a Supreme Court stay on a court order allowing the institution”

4. “Illegally revealed the existence of sealed indictments in the Benghazi investigation”

5. “Illegally delayed Obamacare verification of eligibility for healthcare subsidies”

6. “Ordered Boeing to fire 1,000 employees in South Carolina and shut down a new factory because it was non-union”

7. “Terminated the pensions of 20,000 non-union Delphi employees in the GM bankruptcy.”

8. “Government agencies are engaging in ‘Operation Choke Point,’ where the government asks banks to ‘choke off’ access to financial services for customers engaging in conduct the Administration does not like—such as ‘ammunition sales.'”

Read more: Cruz Releases Definitive List of 76 'Lawless' Obama Actions | The Daily Caller


Not that big a stretch. We will find out for sure eventually.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump claimed that, as a fact, Obama ordered wiretaps on him. Is there evidence for this?

Just so you know, if you answer in the affirmative, the White House, including Levin, will disagree with you.
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Plausible deniability is the model of choice.
 
Geoist said:
Journalists don't have opinions?
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Of course they do. they just should not present the opinion as news.

A simple "heres what I think about this" would move them to the pundit column.But they hardly concern themselves with such a small but important distinction.
 
akyron said:
He said he was going to win the presidency. He did. true enough? The media lied to the country for 18 months saying Hillary had a 95% chance of winning. True enough?




I too would be upset.


I find it odd after the many shady actions taken by the previous admistration that one would express outrage at the question of one more.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/222704929/Ted-Cruz-Legal-Limit-Report-4

1. “Obama implemented portions of the DREAM Act by executive action”

2. “Ended some terror asylum restrictions”

3. “Recognized same sex marriage in Utah despite a Supreme Court stay on a court order allowing the institution”

4. “Illegally revealed the existence of sealed indictments in the Benghazi investigation”

5. “Illegally delayed Obamacare verification of eligibility for healthcare subsidies”

6. “Ordered Boeing to fire 1,000 employees in South Carolina and shut down a new factory because it was non-union”

7. “Terminated the pensions of 20,000 non-union Delphi employees in the GM bankruptcy.”

8. “Government agencies are engaging in ‘Operation Choke Point,’ where the government asks banks to ‘choke off’ access to financial services for customers engaging in conduct the Administration does not like—such as ‘ammunition sales.'”

Read more: Cruz Releases Definitive List of 76 'Lawless' Obama Actions | The Daily Caller


Not that big a stretch. We will find out for sure eventually.
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All of that and you completely failed at the request.

OK, you are a Trump walking billboard. Got it and goodbye.
 
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